The Trump Investigation(s) Thread

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:54 pm

Kudos on them for recording it on audio, video and text messages. They had it all covered. Seems he got sloppier on his crimes post his time in the office.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:15 pm

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:01 pm

The NY Times seems to be quietly avoiding commenting for now that they reported out sourcing saying there were 7 charges including a charge that was not actually in the indictment. Whoops. Reuters also reported out bad information this morning. Everyone is falling all over themselves here.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:17 pm

I'm never going to unsee the bathroom. Seriously how does one man have such poor taste in decorating? That should be an additional charge for sure.

Dramatist · Post by **Dramatist** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:20 pm

I just noticed this thread has 10,000 posts and 1 million views.

Is it finally time for a the John Oliver “We Got Him!” montage?

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Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:38 pm

History

WATCH: Complete statement from Special Counsel Jack Smith: "Today an indictment was unsealed charging Donald J. Trump with felony violations of our national security laws as well as participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice."

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:46 pm

It would have been even better had they shown the cops chasing after a running Trump with a giant butterfly net.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:10 pm

Drump gets entirely too much attention.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:19 pm

Octavious wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:17 pm I'm never going to unsee the bathroom. Seriously how does one man have such poor taste in decorating? That should be an additional charge for sure.

For inquiring minds:

I pity the investigators tasked with scanning those documents under UV light.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:27 pm

My favorite (so far) of the many hot takes making the rounds:

The_Law_Boy wrote:i keep looking at the picture of classified documents being stored in a bathroom with a chandelier and an extra low toilet for leveraged shitting. i'm getting emotional, it is honestly a privilege to live in a time this stupid

This would appear to be the evidence in question:

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:59 pm

That chandelier is awfully damn low.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:14 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:59 pm That chandelier is awfully damn low.

Chandeliers are meant for high-ceiling rooms where people gather. That's their role. A chandelier in a bathroom is like a toilet in a foyer.

Trump, the famous real-estate genius, has no taste.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:08 pm

There's a reason that he's known as the short-fingered vulgarian. And it's not just because he has a tiny penis.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:15 pm

What I'm wondering is how many Repugnicans will still be willing to hitch their political career to the wagon of a convicted criminal felon loser. And don't forget the Georgia charges have not gone away.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:18 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:15 pm What I'm wondering is how many Repugnicans will still be willing to hitch their political career to the wagon of a convicted criminal felon loser. And don't forget the Georgia charges have not gone away.

Virtually all of them.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:20 pm

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:25 pm

It brings up another point. I'm sure Florida Man never read even 1% of the documents he squirreled away. He just wanted to bully kids out of their lunch money.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:11 pm

That bathroom is like everything else in Trump's life - a tacky facade designed to convey the illusion of wealth. Or at least what passes for wealth in Trump's mind. He lives in a cartoonish world of bathroom chandeliers and gold toilets because that's what he thinks "being rich" is.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:51 pm

I really wish he had a giant pool full of coins to dive into.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:17 pm

Just some light treason.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:37 pm

Do we think he’ll get sold to another inmate for 2 or 3 cigarettes?

I’m thinking 2.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:13 pm

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:18 pm

waitingtoconnect · Post by **waitingtoconnect** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:34 am

Octavious wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:14 pm I read about half. Any normal human being would be totally fucked. They have recordings and texts of them moving shit on purpose. They also have in texts that he had classified documents scattered all over the place in very unsecured places like the stage in the ballroom. Seriously stop the world I want off.

Any normal ex federal employee who has dozens of charges for taking top secret documents is going to be held in Bendover supermax Federal Prison while awaiting trial in case they try to run to Russia or North Korea. And they might not get lawyers because “national security”.

Yesterday was a great day, the Canadian space lasers were firing, trump was charged and Boris Johnson who destroyed the Uk with his lies got turfed.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:57 am

They can't help themselves. I don't get it. I'll never get it.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 7:37 am

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:38 pm History

WATCH: Complete statement from Special Counsel Jack Smith: "Today an indictment was unsealed charging Donald J. Trump with felony violations of our national security laws as well as participating in a conspiracy to obstruct justice."

Why is Coach Beard announcing this?

waitingtoconnect · Post by **waitingtoconnect** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:32 am

malchior wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:57 am They can't help themselves. I don't get it. I'll never get it.

The Wall Street journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch. It’s the legitimate business man’s Fox News.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:29 am

waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 9:32 am The Wall Street journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch. It’s the legitimate business man’s Fox News.

Yeah, their news coverage is solid (if slanted), but don't go near their editorial page. The same person who delivers my Boston Globe also distributes the WSJ, and every now and then he mixes them up and leaves me the wrong paper.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:43 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:57 am They can't help themselves. I don't get it. I'll never get it.

I seriously don’t get how you STILL don’t get it. I know you’re not stupid or ill-informed, so your continued surprise baffles me.

I think it MAY be that you’re still in a state of shock that previously respected media outlets seem to lean ‘oligarch’ now?

Maybe that previously trusted news sources have sold out.

Maybe confusing ‘editorial’ with ‘news’? Doubt that one.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:48 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:43 pm I think it MAY be that you’re still in a state of shock that previously respected media outlets seem to lean Are owned or ran by ‘oligarch’ now?

They are don't just work with the man they are part of the man demographic. Even when they are publicly owned, their boards are controlled by the hedge funds and their CEOs are making tens of millions a year.

Brian L. Roberts, Comcast's CEO, made $32 million in total compensation in 2022

Brian L. Roberts/Net worth 1.9 billion USD

Zaslav's compensation for 2022 totaled nearly $39.3 million. The year before, in 2021, the figure was $246 million, swelled by a large option grant.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:55 pm

Jaymann wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:15 pm And don't forget the Georgia charges have not gone away.

Plus Jack Smith has a different grand jury looking into Trump's role in January 6.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:56 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:43 pm
malchior wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 6:57 am They can't help themselves. I don't get it. I'll never get it.
I seriously don’t get how you STILL don’t get it. I know you’re not stupid or ill-informed, so your continued surprise baffles me.

I think it MAY be that you’re still in a state of shock that previously respected media outlets seem to lean ‘oligarch’ now?

Maybe that previously trusted news sources have sold out.

Maybe confusing ‘editorial’ with ‘news’? Doubt that one.

I'm just saying we should all be questioning their judgement. I legitimately don't understand why they continue to abase themselves for one of the worst people of our time. The oligarchs have no reason to defend Trump. They could just...be silent. I'd still think they suck but I'd get it. This? There is almost no upside.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:09 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:56 pm I'm just saying we should all be questioning their judgement. I legitimately don't understand why they continue to abase themselves for one of the worst people of our time. The oligarchs have no reason to defend Trump. They could just...be silent. I'd still think they suck but I'd get it. This? There is almost no upside.

Trump offered them the sudden opportunity to harness populist bigotry in the direct service of oligarchy. All those judges Trump appointed won't do all that much to help Cletus hate on the Darkies, but they'll bend over backwards to gut regulations and distribute wealth upwards.

So far the .1% has done a pretty good job of riding the tiger. And it looks like the next tiger in line (DeSantis) will be even more manageable for them.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:19 pm

Holman wrote:
malchior wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:56 pm I'm just saying we should all be questioning their judgement. I legitimately don't understand why they continue to abase themselves for one of the worst people of our time. The oligarchs have no reason to defend Trump. They could just...be silent. I'd still think they suck but I'd get it. This? There is almost no upside.
Trump offered them the sudden opportunity to harness populist bigotry in the direct service of oligarchy. All those judges Trump appointed won't do all that much to help Cletus hate on the Darkies, but they'll bend over backwards to gut regulations and distribute wealth upwards.

So far the .1% has done a pretty good job of riding the tiger. And it looks like the next tiger in line (DeSantis) will be even more manageable for them.

Don't be so sure about that, if one looks at the gerrymandering decision, even in the assents, there are indications that the only reason they upheld the VRA was because Alabama made the wrong arguments.

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Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:56 pm

The oligarchy isn’t following Trump. His base is the masses of deplorables. The oligarchs want someone less risky.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:56 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:56 pm I'm just saying we should all be questioning their judgement. I legitimately don't understand why they continue to abase themselves for one of the worst people of our time. The oligarchs have no reason to defend Trump. They could just...be silent. I'd still think they suck but I'd get it. This? There is almost no upside.

Trump's alliance of convenience with the Federalists, who think they control him and can aim him, protects the ultra wealthy against the masses and uses some of the masses to do it. The Federalists have good reason to think they control him. He did deliver them the federal courts and have allowed their brand of "conservatism" to drop 90% of their pretense. The can hide behind the idea that "he's better for the economy than x is and he accomplished economic breakthrough y" while he enables them to protect their way of life against a populism that is growing in progressive youth that would eat the rich. I rather doubt Thiel and Musk are outliers. This has been a thing since Perot, really.

Zarathud wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:56 pm The oligarchy isn’t following Trump. His base is the masses of deplorables. The oligarchs want someone less risky.

But they want his deplorables.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:07 pm

IMO we are in a ‘face eating leopard’ management phase. The 1%’ers have had so much one sided winning in the past several years, I think they’re starting to realize the plebes are starting to notice and don’t like it.

I sound like a GD conspiracy theorist (which pisses me off) but it REALLY feels like we get these small wins (like the voting rights) along the way to ameliorate the pretty obvious and overwhelming monopolization of the country (literally and figuratively).

They control Trump, and he controls the leopard (or at least the leopard that’s easiest to mobilize and get riled up)

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:14 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:09 pm Trump offered them the sudden opportunity to harness populist bigotry in the direct service of oligarchy. All those judges Trump appointed won't do all that much to help Cletus hate on the Darkies, but they'll bend over backwards to gut regulations and distribute wealth upwards.

So far the .1% has done a pretty good job of riding the tiger.

So much this imo.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:20 pm

Even Trump apologist lawyer Jonathan Turley thinks this is very bad news for Trump:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 54920.html

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 5:53 pm

Meanwhile, this is happening. Cannon has the trial the whole way through barring a recusal (hah!). Could you imagine if Trump opts for a bench trial in front of her...because I just did.