Your thinkning too small. I say he commits armed robbery while robbibg a bank.
2024 Fundraising - $329 / $2000 CDN for the year, June/July Renewal. Paypal Donation Link US dollars
The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Moderators: LawBeefaroni, $iljanus
- Punisher
- Posts: 4179
- Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:05 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
All yourLightning Bolts are Belong to Us
- Zarathud
- Posts: 16597
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:29 pm
- Location: Chicago, Illinois
The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
If the President truly is immune for any action, Biden could repeatedly shoot Trump in the head before the election.
"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein
"I don't stand by anything." - Trump
“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” - John Stuart Mill, Inaugural Address Delivered to the University of St Andrews, 2/1/1867
“It is the impractical things in this tumultuous hell-scape of a world that matter most. A book, a name, chicken soup. They help us remember that, even in our darkest hour, life is still to be savored.” - Poe, Altered Carbon
"I don't stand by anything." - Trump
“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” - John Stuart Mill, Inaugural Address Delivered to the University of St Andrews, 2/1/1867
“It is the impractical things in this tumultuous hell-scape of a world that matter most. A book, a name, chicken soup. They help us remember that, even in our darkest hour, life is still to be savored.” - Poe, Altered Carbon
- Alefroth
- Posts: 8615
- Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:56 pm
- Location: Bellingham WA
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
If anyone could get through Trump's security detail...
- Zaxxon
- Forum Moderator
- Posts: 28140
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:11 am
- Location: Surrounded by Mountains
- GreenGoo
- Posts: 42443
- Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:46 pm
- Location: Ottawa, ON
- Scoop20906
- Posts: 11795
- Joined: Tue May 03, 2005 3:50 pm
- Location: Belleville, MI
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
It kind of is amazing that they are literally arguing that our current President Biden could have Trump arrested and put in jail with no consequences to himself.
Scoop. Makeup and hair are fabulous. - Qantaga
Xbox Gamertag: Scoop20906
Steam: Scoop20906
Xbox Gamertag: Scoop20906
Steam: Scoop20906
- hepcat
- Posts: 51885
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
- Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
The one we’re trying to rig. Please read the newsletter we send out.
He won. Period.
- Holman
- Posts: 29103
- Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:00 pm
- Location: Between the Schuylkill and the Wissahickon
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Again, none of this matters because Kamala Harris is free to pick whichever electors she prefers. That's just the constitution.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
- Zaxxon
- Forum Moderator
- Posts: 28140
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:11 am
- Location: Surrounded by Mountains
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
-
- Posts: 24795
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
I know it's fun to chortle about how illogical they are but I'm not laughing anymore. The point is that these are raw exercises of power. They use these lame explanations as a feint at applying objective truth. And when authoritarianism takes hold this transforms from just something to scoff at to something far more serious. At some point, they use this sort of out in the open illogic to prove to everyone that they can do whatever they want and get away with it. And until someone actually lands gloves on Trump this is what I see in this.
- Kraken
- Posts: 43914
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm
- Location: The Hub of the Universe
- Contact:
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
I know you're joking, but we aren't at that point yet. November's election matters a great deal, if SCOTUS doesn't strike it down. Which would also matter a great deal.
I do think that SCOTUS is going to decide the next election. Eleven months out there are already penalty flags flying all over the field.
-
- Posts: 24795
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Excellent thread from Greg Sargent laying out the rationale why Donald Trump is ineligible to hold public office in the United States.
Read this thread. I would like to pose some hypothetical questions to insurrection-deniers: Is there anything Trump could have done that *would* have unambiguously constituted insurrection — anything that you’d acknowledge *does* require disqualifying him?
- Smoove_B
- Posts: 54838
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
- Location: Kaer Morhen
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
ArticleBreaking on @MSNBC: In a more-than-80-page filing, special counsel Jack Smith is urging an appeals court to reject Donald Trump's efforts to dismiss his federal election interference case on presidential immunity grounds.
"Rather than vindicating our constitutional framework, the defendant's sweeping immunity claim threatens to license Presidents to commit crimes to remain in office."
"The Founders did not intend and would never have countenanced such a result."
Maybe next year, maybe no go
-
- Posts: 24795
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Isn't this argument obviously frivolous? How does Impeachment equate to criminal jeopardy? I mean the Impeachment clause literally says the Impeached person is still at risk of Indictment. I don't even see what the question is. Considering that you'd think there'd be an interest in fast tracking these inane blocking actions through the court system.
Last edited by malchior on Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- Smoove_B
- Posts: 54838
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
- Location: Kaer Morhen
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
The real answer is to figure out how he's paying attorneys for all these nonsense lawsuits. And at some point, start filing frivolous counterclaims to force him to also pay the fees that states/locals need to incur in order to deal with his nonstop legal nonsense.
Maybe next year, maybe no go
- Unagi
- Posts: 26657
- Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:14 pm
- Location: Chicago
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Also, it's funny - because in that impeachment - Mitch McConnell argued that "impeachment was never meant to be the final forum for American justice" and suggested Trump could be subject to criminal prosecution in the future. “We have a criminal justice system in this country. We have civil litigation."
Honestly, it's one of the biggest go-to answers the GOP gives to everything they have no answer for:: This isn't the time or place for this conversation. We should talk about it later, or elsewhere.
Honestly, it's one of the biggest go-to answers the GOP gives to everything they have no answer for:: This isn't the time or place for this conversation. We should talk about it later, or elsewhere.
- Zaxxon
- Forum Moderator
- Posts: 28140
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:11 am
- Location: Surrounded by Mountains
-
- Posts: 24795
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Sure. I think though this is breaking new ground. At some level we were seeing some wrestling with actual questions - that mostly existed because a President has never crimed like this - but this and the broad immunity claims are now getting into just blatant, obvious wasting time territory. It's gotten to the point where that even the staunchest defenders of our system are straining to defend it. It's just painfully obvious there is a two or maybe even three-tier legal system where rich/powerful people just game the system. It's disgusting and corrosive to tenets of rule of law and worse all this caution is in serving to protect someone who is obviously dangerous to national order.
- ImLawBoy
- Forum Admin
- Posts: 15016
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:49 pm
- Location: Chicago, IL
- Contact:
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
To clarify, this isn't a frivolous suit by Trump. It's an arguably frivolous motion in the criminal case against him. They're throwing stuff out there and seeing what sticks. It's novel because we've never had a case like this before, but I think his lawyers would be foolish if they didn't at least try. You miss all the shots you don't take!
That's my purse! I don't know you!
-
- Posts: 24795
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Right. The argument about frivolousness in particular is the first argument in the motion where they claim somehow that impeachment is related to double jeopardy...you know despite the text.
Especially when the system rewards the behavior!It's novel because we've never had a case like this before, but I think his lawyers would be foolish if they didn't at least try. You miss all the shots you don't take!
- Pyperkub
- Posts: 23749
- Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:07 pm
- Location: NC- that's Northern California
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
It's not even what sticks, it's what argument will persuade the Supremes to support him, or if they'll just inject enough delay to get him through the election so he can pardon himself.ImLawBoy wrote:To clarify, this isn't a frivolous suit by Trump. It's an arguably frivolous motion in the criminal case against him. They're throwing stuff out there and seeing what sticks. It's novel because we've never had a case like this before, but I think his lawyers would be foolish if they didn't at least try. You miss all the shots you don't take!
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
- Blackhawk
- Posts: 44294
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:48 pm
- Location: Southwest Indiana
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Even if it were criminal charges in both places, it's a state case and a federal case.
(˙pǝsɹǝʌǝɹ uǝǝq sɐɥ ʎʇıʌɐɹƃ ʃɐuosɹǝd ʎW)
- Smoove_B
- Posts: 54838
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
- Location: Kaer Morhen
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
There's no way we aren't living in a simulation:
A more detailed transcript of the exchange is included in the link.Trump attorney John Sauer argued that under certain circumstances, a president could order Seal Team Six to assassinate a political rival and not face prosecution in a stunning exchange at an appeal hearing on former President Donald Trump’s claim of presidential immunity.
...
On Tuesday morning, Judge Pan grilled Sauer on a series of hypotheticals that resulted in Sauer arguing that a president could only face prosecution for such an assassination if he were impeached and convicted first:
Maybe next year, maybe no go
-
- Posts: 24795
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
It's not a simulation. It's the reality we've face and it is the face of evil. We have to stop pretending this is just about political disagreement and realize that you may soon have to decide whether you keep your head down, leave, or fight.
- Octavious
- Posts: 20040
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:50 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
I'm in the leave department. I don't see any way I can really fight this nonsense and I certainly can't live around people that support it. My options would be terrible so I mean that's not really going to happen. Move to Bosnia? Not like anything bad ever happens there?
Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people’s stuff.
Shameless plug for my website: www.nettphoto.com
Shameless plug for my website: www.nettphoto.com
- Unagi
- Posts: 26657
- Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:14 pm
- Location: Chicago
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Two problems with 'leave' amount to 'where is better' and 'are they taking people?'
three I guess.... 'what is the financial hit?'
three I guess.... 'what is the financial hit?'
Last edited by Unagi on Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- El Guapo
- Posts: 41457
- Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:01 pm
- Location: Boston
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
It's not too late yet. You live in New Jersey, right? Do some political volunteering in Pennsylvania, a state next door that actually matters in terms of whether we will descend fully into madness.Octavious wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:21 pm I'm in the leave department. I don't see any way I can really fight this nonsense and I certainly can't live around people that support it. My options would be terrible so I mean that's not really going to happen. Move to Bosnia? Not like anything bad ever happens there?
Black Lives Matter.
- LordMortis
- Posts: 70363
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:26 pm
- Punisher
- Posts: 4179
- Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:05 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Is this actually possible or are we on the way to actually finding out?Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:49 pmIt's not even what sticks, it's what argument will persuade the Supremes to support him, or if they'll just inject enough delay to get him through the election so he can pardon himself.ImLawBoy wrote:To clarify, this isn't a frivolous suit by Trump. It's an arguably frivolous motion in the criminal case against him. They're throwing stuff out there and seeing what sticks. It's novel because we've never had a case like this before, but I think his lawyers would be foolish if they didn't at least try. You miss all the shots you don't take!
All yourLightning Bolts are Belong to Us
- Punisher
- Posts: 4179
- Joined: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:05 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
If so, its a very buggy, pre-pre-pre-alpha.
All yourLightning Bolts are Belong to Us
- Grifman
- Posts: 21360
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:17 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
I think the main point is delay, delay, delay. If Trump is not convicted before the election, and if he is elected, then he'll just quash the Justice Department, fire Smith and everyone who came close to the case, and it's all over. No one on his legal team has any belief that any of these shots have chance to hit.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:59 pm To clarify, this isn't a frivolous suit by Trump. It's an arguably frivolous motion in the criminal case against him. They're throwing stuff out there and seeing what sticks. It's novel because we've never had a case like this before, but I think his lawyers would be foolish if they didn't at least try. You miss all the shots you don't take!
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. – G.K. Chesterton
- Victoria Raverna
- Posts: 5314
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:23 am
- Location: Jakarta
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Maybe Biden can order Seal Team Six to solve the problem?
- Alefroth
- Posts: 8615
- Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:56 pm
- Location: Bellingham WA
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
As long as the senate doesn't convict him, he's golden.Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:30 pm Maybe Biden can order Seal Team Six to solve the problem?
- Alefroth
- Posts: 8615
- Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:56 pm
- Location: Bellingham WA
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
If Trump does kick the bucket, can you imagine the conspiracies that would swirl around this now?
- Octavious
- Posts: 20040
- Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:50 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
There is zero chance in this timeline of that happening. He will probably live to 110 just to spite people.
Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people’s stuff.
Shameless plug for my website: www.nettphoto.com
Shameless plug for my website: www.nettphoto.com
- Blackhawk
- Posts: 44294
- Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:48 pm
- Location: Southwest Indiana
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Four: Are you the kind of person that other places accept to begin with?
(˙pǝsɹǝʌǝɹ uǝǝq sɐɥ ʎʇıʌɐɹƃ ʃɐuosɹǝd ʎW)
- Pyperkub
- Posts: 23749
- Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:07 pm
- Location: NC- that's Northern California
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
He was advised against it in January '21.Punisher wrote:Is this actually possible or are we on the way to actually finding out?Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:49 pmIt's not even what sticks, it's what argument will persuade the Supremes to support him, or if they'll just inject enough delay to get him through the election so he can pardon himself.ImLawBoy wrote:To clarify, this isn't a frivolous suit by Trump. It's an arguably frivolous motion in the criminal case against him. They're throwing stuff out there and seeing what sticks. It's novel because we've never had a case like this before, but I think his lawyers would be foolish if they didn't at least try. You miss all the shots you don't take!
He won't listen to those same advisors in' 25.
State crimes aren't subject to the pardon, but good luck arresting a sitting President.
And a friendly governor could do so, probably for the right price...
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
- Isgrimnur
- Posts: 82532
- Joined: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:29 am
- Location: Chookity pok
- Contact:
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Seals can't keep their mouths shut. He'd be better off with Delta Force.Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:30 pm Maybe Biden can order Seal Team Six to solve the problem?
It's almost as if people are the problem.
-
- Posts: 24795
- Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 pm
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Accurate. My long ago roommate dated a former Seal. He wouldn't shut up about all the shit he was involved in.Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:09 pmSeals can't keep their mouths shut. He'd be better off with Delta Force.Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:30 pm Maybe Biden can order Seal Team Six to solve the problem?
- Pyperkub
- Posts: 23749
- Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:07 pm
- Location: NC- that's Northern California
Re: The Trump Investigation(s) Thread
Space force. Nobody knows who they are!
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.