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Justice Department to pursue death penalty against Buffalo supermarket shooter
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The police response to the Uvalde shooting was riddled with failures, a new DOJ report says
Police officials who responded to the deadly Uvalde, Texas, elementary school shooting waited far too long to confront the gunman, acted with “no urgency” in establishing a command post and communicated inaccurate information to grieving families, according to a Justice Department report released Thursday that identifies “cascading failures” in law enforcement’s handling of the massacre.
The Justice Department report, the most comprehensive federal accounting of the maligned police response to the May 24, 2022, shooting at Robb Elementary School, catalogs a sweeping array of training, communication, leadership and technology problems that federal officials say contributed to the crisis lasting far longer than necessary. All the while, the report says, terrified students inside the classrooms called 911 and agonized parents begged officers to go in.
“Had law enforcement agencies followed generally accepted practices in active shooter situations and gone right after the shooter and stopped him, lives would have been saved and people would have survived,” Attorney General Merrick Garland said Thursday at a news conference in Uvalde after Justice Department officials briefed family members on their findings. The Uvalde victims, he said, “deserved better.”
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Yesterday's "Killer City" Mall shooting didn't even blip...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. —
Six people were injured by gunfire Wednesday evening at Crown Center after two groups of people got into an argument. ...
..."I'm talking about 13-14-year-old kids running out of here," he said. "They come flying out. Dude, with the AK-47, he had it wrapped in a towel, and two other dudes jumped in a Chevy Tahoe--black Tahoe and sped off."
Police say the gunfire damaged some the surrounding businesses.
"I mean, it's Killer City," Gaston said. "That's all I got to say. Kansas City -that's what everybody calls it. That ain't nothing new."
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Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:25 pm The police response to the Uvalde shooting was riddled with failures, a new DOJ report says
So...they have a duty to protect?"It is now widely understood by law enforcement agencies that in active shooter incidents, time is not on the side of law enforcement. Every second counts. And the priority of law enforcement must be to immediately enter the room & stop the shooter."
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...themselves. as we have seen.
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Castle Rock says they don’t.Smoove_B wrote:Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:25 pm The police response to the Uvalde shooting was riddled with failures, a new DOJ report saysSo...they have a duty to protect?"It is now widely understood by law enforcement agencies that in active shooter incidents, time is not on the side of law enforcement. Every second counts. And the priority of law enforcement must be to immediately enter the room & stop the shooter."
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AwkwardIsgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:11 pmCastle Rock says they don’t.Smoove_B wrote:Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:25 pm The police response to the Uvalde shooting was riddled with failures, a new DOJ report saysSo...they have a duty to protect?"It is now widely understood by law enforcement agencies that in active shooter incidents, time is not on the side of law enforcement. Every second counts. And the priority of law enforcement must be to immediately enter the room & stop the shooter."
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Michigan school shooter’s mother to stand trial in students’ deaths
James and Jennifer Crumbley face charges of involuntary manslaughter. Prosecutors accuse them of making a gun accessible to their son, Ethan Crumbley, and of ignoring his alleged mental health issues.
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The Crumbleys are the first parents to be charged in a mass school shooting in the United States, The Associated Press reported.
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The parents were charged soon after the shooting and have been held in jail for more than two years, unable to make bail.
James Crumbley’s trial will be held in March.
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Best practice and duty are different.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:43 pmIsgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:25 pm The police response to the Uvalde shooting was riddled with failures, a new DOJ report saysSo...they have a duty to protect?"It is now widely understood by law enforcement agencies that in active shooter incidents, time is not on the side of law enforcement. Every second counts. And the priority of law enforcement must be to immediately enter the room & stop the shooter."
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Are 'best practices' within the jurisdiction of the DOJ?
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Jennifer Crumbley, mother of school shooter, found guilty of manslaughter in test of who’s responsible for a mass shooting
She faces up to 15 years in prison, and her sentencing hearing was set for April 9.
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The prosecution argued Jennifer Crumbley is responsible for the deaths because she was “grossly negligent” in giving a gun to her son Ethan, who was 15 at the time, and failing to get him proper mental health treatment despite warning signs. Over a week of testimony, law enforcement officials, school employees, shooting victims and those who knew Jennifer Crumbley testified for the prosecution.
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However, the defense argued the blame lay elsewhere: on her husband for improperly securing the firearm; on the school for failing to notify her about her son’s behavioral issues; and on Ethan himself, who planned and carried out the attack on his own. Defense attorney Shannon Smith said the case was “dangerous” for parents everywhere.
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Jennifer Crumbley took the stand in her own defense and, in a remarkable moment, expressed no regret for her actions.
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Crumbley’s husband, James, is scheduled to go on trial on the same charges in early March. Jennifer Crumbley’s defense and the prosecution were barred from speaking publicly about her case until the end of James Crumbley’s trial.
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I know an easy way to control the “danger” to parents — don’t give your kid a gun.
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I'm confused.
It says she gave him the gun but then she blames her husband for not securing it properly.
If it was given to him then why is the husband responsible for securing it?
It says she gave him the gun but then she blames her husband for not securing it properly.
If it was given to him then why is the husband responsible for securing it?
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Short version: She was trying to throw her husband under the bus to protect herself from jail time.
The fact that she was willing to do that to family tells me all I need to know about her quality as a parent.
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They gifted him the gun but he was too young to actually own/posess. So in theory they should have kept it secure and out of his hands.
As an aside, any parent knows irs virtually impossible to keep kids out of everything so in addition to securing firearms, a parent must teach their kids gun safety if there are gun in the home. Preferably, even if there are not guns in the home.
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/11/us/joel- ... index.htmlShooter down at pastor Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston, authorities say
The shooter at the Lakewood Church was a woman between 30 and 35 years of age who was armed with a long rifle and accompanied by a child, Houston Police Chief Troy Finner told reporters at a Sunday news conference.
“She is deceased here on the scene,” Finner said.
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A Lakewood parishioner at the scene told CNN affiliate KPRC he was inside the church waiting for the Spanish language service to start when he heard multiple shots fired. The man was then instructed by a church usher to run, he told KPRC. The service was slated to begin at 3:00 p.m. ET, according to the church website.
Doesn't fit the normal profile but then again, everyone is shooter now. Some reports say she tried to shoot Osteen but no real confirmation of that yet.
I guess we're finally at the point of "bring your kid to shooting day".
EDIT: Sounds like armed security/off duty police managed to take her down before too much damage but at least one injury besides the shooter - a 5 year old in critical condtion.
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Christ, the child she brought with her is in critical condition. No word yet on who shot him.
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I guess Florida's red flag law is effectively useless? My BIL is threatening to kill particular people and said he keeps loading and unloading his handgun, which nobody's sure really exists. He's always had serious anger issues and has been threatening to kill people for as long as I've known him, so this is probably more lovable bluster. We'd all be better off it he were restrained and medicated. But it's wicked hard to get someone involuntarily committed, and even harder to take their gun away in FL.
I'm sure this will blow over like it always has for the 40+ years I've known him. But if his gun isn't imaginary it needs to be taken away, and as I understand it FL's red flag law is "LOL freedumb!"
I'm sure this will blow over like it always has for the 40+ years I've known him. But if his gun isn't imaginary it needs to be taken away, and as I understand it FL's red flag law is "LOL freedumb!"
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Florida has the Baker Act too. Sounds like the BIL is dealing with diminished capacities and impulse control to me. It's good he doesn't have a nuclear football.
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I agree with your not so subtle knock against Trump. I too am glad he doesn’t have access to the nuclear football given his obvious mental issues and lack of impulse control.
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You have to contact local law enforcement and let them know, particularly about the threats of violence. Of course not knowing whether he actually has a firearm or not may make it even more difficult to get them to act.Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:15 am I guess Florida's red flag law is effectively useless? My BIL is threatening to kill particular people and said he keeps loading and unloading his handgun, which nobody's sure really exists. He's always had serious anger issues and has been threatening to kill people for as long as I've known him, so this is probably more lovable bluster. We'd all be better off it he were restrained and medicated. But it's wicked hard to get someone involuntarily committed, and even harder to take their gun away in FL.
I'm sure this will blow over like it always has for the 40+ years I've known him. But if his gun isn't imaginary it needs to be taken away, and as I understand it FL's red flag law is "LOL freedumb!"
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Wife's brother phased back into sanity today, as he always does eventually after one of his anger episodes, and told her he doesn't really have a gun. He probably doesn't, but who knows for sure? Does FL even license them?
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There's no license and no way to know if he purchased one. They do have do to a NICS check and I think a state background (Firearm Purchase Program) but that alone doesn't say what, if anything, was purchased. It's also not information that is readily available.
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There are some reports coming out after the identity of the church shooter was just released. Some of them are stating she was a Trans woman with "Free Palestine" written on her gun barrel.
It's like a late Christmas present for MAGA, in other words.
It's like a late Christmas present for MAGA, in other words.
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ABC News
A sticker saying "Palestine" was on the AR-15 rifle a woman used to open fire at celebrity pastor Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church in Houston, injuring two, including her son, according to police
Some antisemitic writings have been recovered, but a motive behind the Sunday afternoon shooting has not been determined, according to police.
"We do believe that there was a familial dispute that has taken place between her ex-husband and her ex-husband's family," some of whom are Jewish, police said.
The suspect, 36-year-old Genesse Ivonne Moreno, entered the church with her 7-year-old son, and she may have pointed her weapon at a security officer to force her way into the church, police said.
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I’ve always been shocked in some states you can be deemed unable to decide on your own finances or medical care but you can still buy a gun.
I can not understand how in Wild West states where you used to not be allowed to carry guns in town (and this can be proven) it’s now ok to openly carry military rifles and ammo with which you could hold off a 19th century brigade or dozens of Texas police while gunning down school children.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” – The Second Amendment ratified on December 15, 1791.
I don’t understand how well regulated became not regulated.
I can not understand how in Wild West states where you used to not be allowed to carry guns in town (and this can be proven) it’s now ok to openly carry military rifles and ammo with which you could hold off a 19th century brigade or dozens of Texas police while gunning down school children.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” – The Second Amendment ratified on December 15, 1791.
I don’t understand how well regulated became not regulated.
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Everything is a Christmas present for both sides since every event is automatically pushed through their respective narrative filter. Almost all newscasts have been turned into entertainment pushing the proper narrative to their audiences.
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Sometimes one narrative is more harmful than the others though. Pushing the message that everyone who’s gay, bi or trans is a potential psychotic killer, pedophile or rapist is of that harmful camp. Pushing the narrative that Trump is a lying dick? Less so.
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To be fair, everyone has those potentials.
But I agree that making it sound like certain groups are more prone to it is no bueno.
I'd bet that percentage wise those groups are on the lower end of the spectrum as far as documented case of them doing those things vs other groups of people doing them.
But I agree that making it sound like certain groups are more prone to it is no bueno.
I'd bet that percentage wise those groups are on the lower end of the spectrum as far as documented case of them doing those things vs other groups of people doing them.
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KC Super Bowl Parade shots fired
Kansas City police are asking people to leave the area near Union Station as quickly as possible as they treat victims of a shooting after a pep rally celebrating the Chiefs Super Bowl win.
“Anyone nearby needs to leave the area as quickly and safely as possible to facilitate treatment of the shooting victims. Please avoid the Union Station parking garage area to allow first responders through,” police said.
Police said two armed people were taken into custody.
There is no word on the number of victims.
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I'm reaching a point at which I'm glad that I'm the introverted type who prefers solitude (or just a few family/friends) over social gatherings. There's fine line between paranoid and cautious, but it's getting to the point where I can't go into a large business/store/restaurant/theater without double checking approaches an exits and eye-searching people who are moving against the flow. I broke myself of those habits 20 years ago, and I hate that they've come back. But it doesn't seem like we can go more than a few days without some gathering coming under attack.
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CNN story updated:
Upwards of 10 victims were injured in a shooting at Union Station at the end of the Chiefs rally, according to Michael Hopkins with the Kansas City Fire Department
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