The issue is the far right alliance (basically CPAC conference goers) developing around Putin-Trump-Orban-Modi. If far right governments come in the UK and France and possibly Germany they would also join this alliance.El Guapo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:45 pmIf the Russian military can't really conquer Ukraine, there's no way that it can conquer the United States. Nor would Russia have any real interest in trying. It's the Baltic states, Finland, and maybe Poland that are are in the line of fire if Russia really got rolling.Punisher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:38 pmYou know theres a small oart of me that hopes it goes like this.Alefroth wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:06 pmI think so. I don't think it's about the money. I think he's just non-cooperative and coming to anyone else's aid doesn't benefit him and isn't America First!Jaymann wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 3:33 pmSo what if Agent Orange wins but the NATO countries pay up their "protection" money. Will he pull out anyway?El Guapo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 3:05 pmIt also depends on a lot of other things. Like for example, does Trump win in November and then pull the United States out of NATO in 2025. If NATO is dissolved or greatly weakened by the withdrawal of the United States, then Russia is going to be emboldened to go much, much further. If Biden wins, and Ukraine eventually agrees to cede some / all of the occupied territory, the question then becomes whether Ukraine is going to be formally admitted to NATO in the near term. If so...Russia may have little choice but to stop there.Kraken wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:05 pm Depends on what "wins" means. If Ukraine cedes its occupied territory in exchange for peace, which is the likeliest outcome, Putin will be emboldened to go further. I don't *think* he will directly invade a NATO country, but he will consider the rest of Ukraine to be unfinished business, at a minimum.
Trump wins.
Trump gets us pulled out of Nato.
The day after that we get invaded. By Russia and their allies to add to the irony.
We start losing.
Trump asks for help.
Nato tells him to pound sand.
I realize this is my version of cutting off my nose to spite my face but still...
Realistically. How much trouble would we be in without Nato backing us up in an invasion scenerio?
Already in the UK prominent conservative figures like Farange and ex Pm Truss are calling for Trump to “liberate them” from “woke”.
I can see US troops being used under Trump to save “conservative” Christian people in other countries and every possibility trump will set the west on fire while Putin laughs.