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Smoove_B wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:39 pm I guess negotiations are ongoing, but the first deposit has cleared:
President-elect Donald Trump told NBC News’ “Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker in a phone interview Saturday that he will “most likely” give TikTok a 90-day reprieve from a potential ban in the U.S. after he takes office Monday.

Trump said he hadn’t made a final decision but was considering a 90-day extension of the Sunday deadline for TikTok’s China-based parent company to sell to a non-Chinese-buyer or face a U.S. ban.

“I think that would be, certainly, an option that we look at. The 90-day extension is something that will be most likely done, because it’s appropriate. You know, it’s appropriate. We have to look at it carefully. It’s a very big situation,” Trump said in the phone interview.
Still feels like if there is some type of token American ownership (so the right people can make money), this will most certainly work out.
So the ban is clearly not because of security concern but money concern? A lot of politicians from both side accepted money from American owned competitors to support banning tiktok, some of those politicians also owned share to Meta or other competitors to tiktok.

Money concern. Control of information and free speech concern. Those are the real reason.
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hepcat wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 10:16 am Kind of proves that your theory that America is on a crusade against Chinese companies is false, doesn't it? :wink:

But in all seriousness, it's probably next on the chopping block if it grows as fast it has been. There's always going to be a first in any endeavor such as security management.

But the ultimate solution was summed up best by Stess, I believe.
stessier wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:57 pm I wish someone would hold their feet to the fire to pass comprehensive data privacy laws and then just make TikTok follow them.
I think that is the right way to deal with real security or privacy concerns. Make a data privacy law that apply to every app that operate in US.

To make a law that single out tiktok is not how to do it. Now refugees from tiktok moved to RedNote, so next make a law to ban RedNote? If not then clearly there is no real security concern with tiktok.
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The fallout will mostly affect small companies that have used TikTok to reach and grow audiences, said Ash Johnson, senior policy manager at the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation.

"Businesses and creators use it to gain a foothold and find either an audience or more customers," Johnson said. "It will probably have the largest effect on those smaller businesses that have limited to no advertising budget."

Small and large businesses such as Nike, Intel and SAP have taken to TikTok over the years, whether to reach new audiences through organic content or to promote their products through paid advertisements.

For smaller businesses without large marketing budgets, making free content on TikTok has helped them grow, Johnson said.

"Losing that reach and losing the audience and customer base they've built through TikTok will be extremely detrimental to them," Johnson said. Jobs and economic opportunities created by TikTok will be a significant loss for the U.S., she added.

Although national security and data collection concerns underpin the U.S. TikTok ban, Johnson said companies have been quiet regarding such issues. Federal and state government leaders, however, banned TikTok downloads from government devices in 2022.

"From a business perspective, I have personally not seen many companies express a concern about security when it comes to TikTok," Johnson said. "I see many very large and well-known brands have TikTok accounts and regularly advertise on TikTok."

Natalie Andrews, manager of social operations for digital advertising agency Adtaxi, said the company is working on an action plan for the U.S. TikTok ban and the many companies that market and advertise on the social media platform. Losing TikTok will have an effect on businesses, she said.

Advertising and marketing on platforms like Meta's Facebook and Instagram differ from the way companies strategize to reach audiences on a platform like TikTok. While companies use Facebook and Instagram to drive customers to websites for purchasing products, businesses use TikTok to improve branding, Andrews said.

"The more you use multiple platforms at once, it supplements your strategies and gets a full funnel effect," Andrews said.

TikTok also offered strong competition to existing dominant social media platforms, such as Facebook, Instagram and Google's YouTube, Johnson said. The TikTok ban will diminish companies' options for reaching younger audiences.

"It was really innovative in several ways. It started the wave of short-form video content, which we now see on a lot of different platforms," Johnson said.
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Victoria Raverna wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:56 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:39 pm I guess negotiations are ongoing, but the first deposit has cleared:
President-elect Donald Trump told NBC News’ “Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker in a phone interview Saturday that he will “most likely” give TikTok a 90-day reprieve from a potential ban in the U.S. after he takes office Monday.

Trump said he hadn’t made a final decision but was considering a 90-day extension of the Sunday deadline for TikTok’s China-based parent company to sell to a non-Chinese-buyer or face a U.S. ban.

“I think that would be, certainly, an option that we look at. The 90-day extension is something that will be most likely done, because it’s appropriate. You know, it’s appropriate. We have to look at it carefully. It’s a very big situation,” Trump said in the phone interview.
Still feels like if there is some type of token American ownership (so the right people can make money), this will most certainly work out.
So the ban is clearly not because of security concern but money concern? A lot of politicians from both side accepted money from American owned competitors to support banning tiktok, some of those politicians also owned share to Meta or other competitors to tiktok.

Money concern. Control of information and free speech concern. Those are the real reason.
That’s not at all what Smoove said. No, it’s money driving Trump to save it. ByteDance was a big donor for Trump’s campaign. That’s a matter of record.
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Victoria Raverna wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:56 pm
Money concern. Control of information and free speech concern. Those are the real reason.
I can't understand your words.

I can't tell what you are pushing and what you are pushing back against.

You list two distinct concerns. Then you write "Those" are the "the" real "reason".

Are you speaking of two things (both things) - and then declaring them as being one singular reason?


What TF are you trying to say?
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Perhaps they meant reasons, plural?
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Punisher wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:11 pm Perhaps they meant reasons, plural?
But then they are saying that money is one of the reasons. And it didn't sound like that was their point.


I honestly just can't follow what they are trying to say.

It may be all on me (and I know English is not their primary language - so I'm not diggin on them - I'm truly confused).
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I believe he is trying to say that money and control of speech are the reasons for the TikTok ban, rather than national security concerns.

I'd argue that money and control of speech are reasons for buying TikTok, while concerns about national security could still be the reason for the ban/forced divestment in the first place. There is no inherent contradiction.
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It's officially down right now.

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Sorry for confusing you guys.

I meant that the real reasons are money and control of information (or misinformation). Money reason: American social media companies are losing sizeable market to Tiktok so if it is banned, they'll profit from it. Just like when tiktok was banned in India, tiktok users moved to use Instagram and youtube;s short form videos.

Another one is control of information. For example: Some officials and politicians were upset that tik tok have higher percentage of pro Palestinians contents compared other social medias.

Now as for national security issues, that is nonsense. Both Trump and Biden campaigns used tik tok. My bet is that the security issues is a big lie or a faulty reasoning that can be used to ban any media including meta or google. For example: Reasoning that China can have access of data collected by tik tok. Now tik tok was okay with following any rule that can prevent that and was asking for what the US wants them to do. Instead of setting privacy and data security rules for them to operate, US just want them to sell it to American investors.

If China wants to access the data collected by social media apps, they don't need tik tok. They can pay Meta or others for it just like everyone else that need the data. Remember Cambridge Analytica?
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Punisher wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:19 am It's officially down right now.

Strangely for a matter of national security. Both Biden and Trump don't want to be the one that enforce the ban.

It was up to tik tok to "ban" itself by shutting down access to people inside US.

So how real is the security concern? Deadline reached, but Biden doesn't want to act. Trump wanted to extend the deadline.
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This is why I'm not following :


Aren't the "free speech" concerns about this entirely == how the US government may be violating 1st Amendment rights?

And if so, then that "reason" can't be placed in a sentence together for reasons why the US government is doing it (i.e. they want the money, or they are concerned about our data)



Ya follow my confusion?
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By the way, you keep acting like this is unprecedented. It is not. And Kapersky Software out of Russia was banned not that long ago too. Oh, and Issie pointed out pages ago that Huawei also was banned due to security concerns.

Not everything is a deep state conspiracy.
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Most security experts are at least concerned about TikTok's code and what data it is siphoning from user's phones.
TikTok checks device location at least once an hour, continuously requests access to contacts even if the user originally denies, maps a device’s running apps and all installed apps, and more, according to a white paper by Canberra-based cybersecurity and intelligence firm Internet 2.0.
As Yellowking said, there is a lot of concern among experts about what the code is doing behind the scenes. A lot of companies already ban the software from their user's devices including state and Federal governments. It's not just a matter of free speech - it's potentially another vehicle for nation state compromise, and China already cyberattacks the U.S. on the daily.
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At my most cynical, I can see this as a partially reciprocal move after China has banned so many U.S. apps. But I honestly believe this is mostly a security concern that's going to grow beyond just TikTok. Unfortunately, TikTok has enough money to meet Trump's personal price, so they'll be back shortly...and they won't have to sell to an American owner.

However, the TikTok ban is gaining traction in far more than just the U.S.
It usually starts with countries in the Five Eyes Alliance.

The close-knit intelligence sharing arrangement is between five English-speaking democracies: the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

So far, all members have banned TikTok from government devices and some have issued public warnings too. Canada has ordered an end to TikTok's Canadian operations citing national security concerns.

The Five Eyes knock-on effect can be considerable and restrictions have already spread with the app banned on devices of government employees, civil servants or military personnel in countries including Austria, Belgium, Estonia, France, The Netherlands, Norway and Taiwan.

Ciaran Martin, who was head of the UK's National Cyber Security Centre during the bans on Huawei and Kaspersky, agrees that generally when the US makes a national security or strategic decision about a company, the UK and allies eventually follow suit.
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In some ways, it's reminiscent of how Huawei and ZTE were banned from telecomms infrastructure a few years ago. It's trickier though when you're talking about a popular app used by the general public rather than hardware used in critical infrastructure.
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Punisher wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:19 am It's officially down right now.

The second paragraph gives away that this is all a ruse. Which is weird as he's the one that floated the idea of banning TikTok back in 2020. But I guess after Musk was able to demonstrate how useful social media can be for a candidate and then launching his own platform, having TikTok come into the fold (for the right price) totally fits.

To be clear, I have no doubts there are security concerns with TikTok - totally unrelated to whatever person is sitting in the White House. But this current mix of actors is not in anyone's best interest (well, a few people are going to make a lot of money). I'm totally sure there weren't any Chinese investors in $TRUMP bitcoin on Friday...
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All pretense of propriety is gone. They know/think that no one can stop them.
Smoove_B wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:32 pmBut this current mix of actors is not in anyone's best interest (well, a few people are going to make a lot of money). I'm totally sure there weren't any Chinese investors in $TRUMP bitcoin on Friday...
When you can throw around 8 and 9 figures at will, pretty much anyone can be bought.
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Apparently it's not just TikTok that's down. Other apps published by the same company have been shut down as well.
Marvel Snap is a big one.

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Nice of them to highlight all the apps that shouldn't be trusted if you don't trust TikTok. :lol: :horse:
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I think the real story here is how the Supreme Court is going to engage in gold-medal level legal gymnastics to suddenly reconsider what they just ruled on. Maybe some vacations and mobile homes will suddenly appear...
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They'll do what they're told to do, and like it. Once Trump purges the intelligence community once and for all, it isn't like there are going to be any voices there saying "Wait, but national security..."

As Nixon famously said, When the President does it, that means that it's not a national security threat.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/90001918 ... in-the-u-s

Trump signs an executive order to effectively ban TikTok. Oh, wait, That was 2020...
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The check cleared, so Trump did what he was paid to do. He’s a good little Chinese asset.
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Bread* and circuses, never fails.

* Bread not included. Not in this economy.
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Max Peck wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:36 pm Bread* and circuses, never fails.

* Bread not included. Not in this economy.
But by god Trump is good at circuses.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:57 pm Gen Z: "Trump isn't so bad after all!"
I haven't checked this for myself (never had a TikTok account), but saw several screenshots that people were getting TOS'ed for saying negative comments about Meta or Zuckerberg, and that anything remotely left-wing is getting flagged as "misinformation". Another user posted that you aren't allowed to tag #fucktrump or #fuckelon, but tagging #fuckbiden or #fuckkamala are totally fine.

So, it's basically been fully MAGA'fied. Yay social media!
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Good news everyone!
As he promised Sunday, President Donald Trump on Monday signed an executive action that delays enforcement of the TikTok ban for 75 days.

The action directs the US Justice Department not to enforce the Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, which passed with broad bipartisan support in Congress and was signed in April by former President Joe Biden. The law required that starting January 19, TikTok be banned in the United States unless it sells to a buyer from America or one of its allies.

The law gives the president broad discretion on how to enforce the ban. Trump’s promise in a Truth Social post that he would sign an executive action Monday so that the law will not be enforced served as a sufficient enough pledge that TikTok, which took itself offline for more than 12 hours Saturday night into Sunday, went back online Sunday afternoon.

But TikTok’s ultimate fate in America remains in doubt. It’s unclear that TikTok’s China-based owner, ByteDance, would want to sell to a buyer, even if it were a deal brokered by Trump.

From the Oval Office: Trump told reporters Monday that he changed his mind on TikTok because he “got to use it.”

“And remember, TikTok is largely about kids, young kids. If China is going to get information about young kids out of it. To be honest, I think we have bigger problems than that,” Trump said in the Oval Office.

He also told reporters the action that he signed on TikTok gave him the right to either “sell it or close it.”

“I have the right to either sell it or close it, and we’ll make that determination,” Trump added.
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By the end of the week I expect an announcement that Elon will be buying TikTok and Trump will be renegotiating tariffs on China. ...or something pretty close to that.
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Archinerd wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:39 pm By the end of the week I expect an announcement that Elon will be buying TikTok and Trump will be renegotiating tariffs on China. ...or something pretty close to that.
Why force ByteDance to sell it to Leon when he can force ByteDance to sell a 51%+ controlling interest to Trump Media. He can finance the deal with a commemorative issue of TrumpTok meme coins (which would be bought up by Chinese banks), and allow ByteDance to continue operating TikTok in the US. He can even throw the PRC a bone by adding "Expressed concerns about TikTok" to the criteria for having people purged from the national security Deep State.
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For the illusion of no conflict of interest?
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Sure, if Trump cared about such things.
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Ban DeepSeek next?

DeepSeek has to sell 50% to OpenAI or Musk?
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Victoria Raverna wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:04 am Ban DeepSeek next?

DeepSeek has to sell 50% to OpenAI or Musk?
Yes. And then ban fortune cookies and skinny dragons. What are you fishing for?
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Victoria Raverna wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:04 am Ban DeepSeek next?

DeepSeek has to sell 50% to OpenAI or Musk?
I posted the link to a security warning in response to your post about deepseek in ebg. In short: it’s a huge security risk too. I’m fine with banning any apps like this on the basis of the Chinese government being involved, the nature of the data it collects, etc.. And no, that’s not censorship. That’s security.
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"Censorship" and "free speech" are like "woke" - they seem to mean whatever the person using them seems to think would benefit their argument more. Releasing classified military documents on a WarThunder board? Why, that's just freedom of speech! Arresting the guy is censorship!
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