Re: Political Randomness
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:19 pm
Exactly. Yoho's apology was bad or even typical nowadays. This was the appropriate response for once.
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/
Exactly. Yoho's apology was bad or even typical nowadays. This was the appropriate response for once.
Correct. Thinking she's just another Yoho does her a disservice.
I see the difference, but I think the word was used to implore those that normally wouldn’t listen to a political video clip that this one was worth it. And that’s supported by how he said it shows off her communication skills. Which clearly is a nod to the appreciation you feel she (rightfully) deserves.
Wired coverageA Starting Point is a video-based civic engagement platform created by Chris Evans, Mark Kassen, and technology entrepreneur Joe Kiani. ASP’s mission is to create a bipartisan channel of communication and connectivity between Americans and their elected officials with the goal of creating a more informed electorate.
Florida GOP Rep. Ted Yoho has resigned from the board of a Christian organization that works to fight hunger following his tense exchange with Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York.
Chris Ford, the deputy director for strategic communications and campaigns of Bread for the World, on Saturday evening confirmed Yoho's resignation to CNN. The Florida congressman resigned on Friday during a meeting with the organization board, according to a statement from Bread for the World.
"We believe that Rep. Ted Yoho's recent actions and words as reported in the media are not reflective of the ethical standards expected of members of our Board of Directors," the organization wrote in a statement.
"...read sought his resignation as an action that reaffirms our commitment to coming alongside women and people of color, nationally and globally, as they continue to lead us to a more racially inclusive and equitable world."
Federal authorities are using a new tactic in their battle against protesters in Portland, Oregon: arrest them on offenses as minor as “failing to obey” an order to get off a sidewalk on federal property — and then tell them they can’t protest anymore as a condition for release from jail.
Legal experts describe the move as a blatant violation of the constitutional right to free assembly, but at least 12 protesters arrested in recent weeks have been specifically barred from attending protests or demonstrations as they await trials on federal misdemeanor charges.
“Defendant may not attend any other protests, rallies, assemblies or public gathering in the state of Oregon,” states one “Order Setting Conditions of Release” for an accused protester, alongside other conditions such as appearing for court dates. The orders are signed by federal magistrate judges.
For other defendants, the restricted area is limited to Portland, where clashes between protesters and federal troops have grown increasingly violent in recent weeks. In at least two cases, there are no geographic restrictions; one release document instructs, “Do not participate in any protests, demonstrations, rallies, assemblies while this case is pending.”
The House Intelligence Committee has opened an investigation into the Department of Homeland Security’s intelligence arm, according to a letter its chairman sent to top DHS officials on Monday.
The probe will scrutinize how the department’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis has responded to protests against racism and police brutality in Portland and around the country. In the letter, the panel’s chairman, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), cited reports that the office had disseminated intelligence about journalists and protesters.
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Schiff’s letter also cited a POLITICO article from the weekend that reported that DHS’s second-in-command, Ken Cuccinelli, limited the ability of department’s Office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties to oversee I&A’s work. That move came several months before the office’s reports on journalists and protesters drew national criticism.
And the catch line below it isIn Rich Countries, the Middle Class Is Getting Smaller and Smaller, Generation by Generation
What kind of crock is that?Automation and the rising cost of living are pinning the middle class into a corner.
it seems that 'conservative' is code for 'reality-denying, no-personal-responsibility-blame-everyone-else, short-sighted-no-planning, self-centered-i-got-mine-so-F-U' tribal affiliationLordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:55 pm So firefox alwasy has the articles ads on their new tabs and the latest headline was
And the catch line below it isIn Rich Countries, the Middle Class Is Getting Smaller and Smaller, Generation by Generation
What kind of crock is that?Automation and the rising cost of living are pinning the middle class into a corner.
1) How does automation correlate with rising cost of living? Shouldn't it correlate with a reduced cost of living?
2) Why are perpetuating the lie that automation necessitates more wealth should be concentrated at the top, rather than raising the wealth at the bottom?
This is just another bit of why day by day my conservative leanings slip away.
But why does it follow that the middle class shrinks instead of grows? More is available cheaper, but why does it follow that the people at the bottom don't get more but rather we just get a larger pool of people at the bottom while the top get more?
Which it are you referring to? What I'm asking is why we accept that productivity gains means a shrinking class. It seems to me that it's been true for over 30 years while it meant a growing middle class for the 70 years before that. I can only assume it's true because we accept it. That the oil crunch of the late 70s somehow changed everything in the US.
It trickles to the top. When Henry Ford created the assembly line, he put people to work on that line. When Ford Motors automates a plant, it puts people out of work. Those people don't reap the the benefits of automation, Ford and it's shareholders do. To a certain extent its customers may as well.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:05 pmBut why does it follow that the middle class shrinks instead of grows? More is available cheaper, but why does it follow that the people at the bottom don't get more but rather we just get a larger pool of people at the bottom while the top get more?
The rise of automation saw people with limited skills making more money than ever, the people with skills become flat out wealthy, and the availability of goods become insanely high with costs being low. Then we hit 80s and increased productivity started to do a 180 to "the middle class" and we collectively buy in to the idea, why?
What makes this productivity increase the polar opposite Henry Ford's productivity increase?
Burger flippers lose jobs. Their skills become less valuable if they manage to keep their jobs.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:05 pm Suddenly more better faster means a burger flipper's tiny share looks smaller rather making their tiny share look more healthy. Rising tides raise all boats and all that.
But why do we accept it?Rich get richer, poor get poorer. In this scenario, the middle class are poor.
Cheap stuff. Aspirational hope/opiates for the masses. And a system designed to benefit the 1%.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:40 pm But why do we accept that?
Here first thing I could find.
The average grocery worker in 1966 made $2.02 an hour.
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflat ... 6?amount=1
$2.02 an hour in 2020 money is $16.07 in 2020 money. So, is the grocery worker making at least $16.07? Have they reaped any of the benefits of all of the productivity gains of the last 55 years?
But why do we accept it?Rich get richer, poor get poorer. In this scenario, the middle class are poor.
Because capitalism. You're acting like this is all new to you and I can't believe that is true.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:40 pm But why do we accept that?
Here first thing I could find.
The average grocery worker in 1966 made $2.02 an hour.
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflat ... 6?amount=1
$2.02 an hour in 2020 money is $16.07 in 2020 money. So, is the grocery worker making at least $16.07? Have they reaped any of the benefits of all of the productivity gains of the last 55 years?
But why do we accept it?Rich get richer, poor get poorer. In this scenario, the middle class are poor.
Probably not, but it's close.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:40 pm $2.02 an hour in 2020 money is $16.07 in 2020 money. So, is the grocery worker making at least $16.07? Have they reaped any of the benefits of all of the productivity gains of the last 55 years?
For practical purposes, everyone got those benefits. Longer lives. Lots of cheap tvs. Cell phones. Less crime, etc. That doesn't mean that wealth inequality isn't a massive issue. Or that inequality and the policies that enable it are almost certainly implicated in our inability to address the massive problems that are strangling our nation.noxiousdog wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:59 pmProbably not, but it's close.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:40 pm $2.02 an hour in 2020 money is $16.07 in 2020 money. So, is the grocery worker making at least $16.07? Have they reaped any of the benefits of all of the productivity gains of the last 55 years?
They've reaped a hundred times that in benefits.
Because voodoo economics. Before Reagan, both parties understood that the economy flourishes from the bottom up. (Well, not the actual bottom, but the middle class up.) It's going to trickle down any...day...now....LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:40 pm But why do we accept that?
Here first thing I could find.
The average grocery worker in 1966 made $2.02 an hour.
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflat ... 6?amount=1
$2.02 an hour in 2020 money is $16.07 in 2020 money. So, is the grocery worker making at least $16.07? Have they reaped any of the benefits of all of the productivity gains of the last 55 years?
But why do we accept it?Rich get richer, poor get poorer. In this scenario, the middle class are poor.
That's kind of a non-sequiter.malchior wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:36 pmFor practical purposes, everyone got those benefits. Longer lives. Lots of cheap tvs. Cell phones. Less crime, etc. That doesn't mean that wealth inequality isn't a massive issue. Or that inequality and the policies that enable it are almost certainly implicated in our inability to address the massive problems that are strangling our nation.noxiousdog wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:59 pmProbably not, but it's close.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:40 pm $2.02 an hour in 2020 money is $16.07 in 2020 money. So, is the grocery worker making at least $16.07? Have they reaped any of the benefits of all of the productivity gains of the last 55 years?
They've reaped a hundred times that in benefits.
(bolded for emphasis)LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:40 pm
The average grocery worker in 1966 made $2.02 an hour.
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflat ... 6?amount=1
$2.02 an hour in 2020 money is $16.07 in 2020 money.
How so? Unless I'm getting the benefit you are describing wrong I am attempting to address the core of the logic in the claim. I'll rephrase if it helps, the idea is that waitresses wages haven't kept up but they got all the "benefits" of the advance of 'technology' and increased purchasing power for goods, right?noxiousdog wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:19 pmThat's kind of a non-sequiter.malchior wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:36 pmFor practical purposes, everyone got those benefits. Longer lives. Lots of cheap tvs. Cell phones. Less crime, etc. That doesn't mean that wealth inequality isn't a massive issue. Or that inequality and the policies that enable it are almost certainly implicated in our inability to address the massive problems that are strangling our nation.noxiousdog wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:59 pmProbably not, but it's close.LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:40 pm $2.02 an hour in 2020 money is $16.07 in 2020 money. So, is the grocery worker making at least $16.07? Have they reaped any of the benefits of all of the productivity gains of the last 55 years?
They've reaped a hundred times that in benefits.