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Psst. Its still night. No actual important things should be said. And actually I'm not sure about that. I know Lars said it was a no-no last game but did he say no night conversation this game? Back to check the rules.Grundbegriff wrote:Blah blah blah
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Who knows? I certainly know that I'm innocent, so it sure wouldn't surprise me if you could get everyone to vote to kill me, Remus.Remus West wrote:Umm, that did not work so well the last time we tried it. Something about "I'm the GM the game would shut down" or some other whiney crap. He just doesn't respect our voices.pr0ner wrote:Lars, probably.Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Ok, so who's slowing this game down? Let's get this lynching party started!
Ah, frack it. Lynch Lars!
I'm not in to it at all, trust me, but if that was the only way I would be allowed to "sample the goods", as they say, well............ there you go.Remus West wrote:Great movie. Although I would not allow her to pee on me I can totally see where those who are into that would consider her worthy.Kraegor wrote:And that's how she got to the same party as me. Oh shit. I skipped something. Damn it. This whole robot bit. I made a big deal, then I like totally forgot. Fuck, this is bad narrating. Like my dad telling a joke. "Oh, wait back up. I forgot to tell you the cowboy rode a blue horse." Fuck. Anyway, I don't know ifyou want to see it now, but here's the fucking robot stuff for your viewing pleasure. Can I say "fuck" more?
True, I rarely am able to post while at work. So, the way it's going to work out is this: updates to the game will probably happen just after midnight EST, and just after noon EST. Don't look for updates any other times. I think it works out well that way anyhow, so people can't track roles by my posting updates to the game at different times. And by the way, no update right now, because I'm still waiting for responses from some people. Sorry!Remus West wrote:IIRC Lars works and does not have access at work, so unlike some, who shall remain initialed LM, he actually works while at work.LordMortis wrote:Which all of youse has orders to send in? For that matter, where is Lars? [foot tapping]
For this game, I'm really not worried about if people wish to speak during the night or not. I'd prefer if people not speak about lynching votes and such at night, but I understand that people get bored waiting at times, and wish to get the discussions going, so I'm going to allow it. So, feel free to talk, if you want.Remus West wrote:Psst. Its still night. No actual important things should be said. And actually I'm not sure about that. I know Lars said it was a no-no last game but did he say no night conversation this game? Back to check the rules.Grundbegriff wrote:Blah blah blah
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Pay me no mind, there is nothing in the rules about night conversation, but I think given the last game there was we should likely wait for Lars to chime in about it before we start actually talking about anything important.
Austin wrote:Who would kill Grund first? (At least until Lucas gets a hold of this game)I'd guess it would be either a n00b who figured killing off someone with apparent investigatory skills would be a good idea, or someone who knows him and how he plays. Perhaps someone with middling skills who's a mixture of both...
I don't get it. Why not? I'm trying to figure out what we hold the seance until later for. I'm sure there must a good reason that you see and Grund saw but for the life of me I can't figure it out.SirReal wrote:EDITed to add: DON'T ask for a seance! To point out the obvious, it'd be a waste of resources this early.
I doubt they cared if he was cursed or not. Probably figured if he was then great if he was not then they remove a big threat. It was likely they figure he was not protected this early so they could get at him. I am on board with the idea of removing the silent but will give other the time to show before casting a vote. For now I am going to take my class down by the river, No, Chaosraven Jr., we are not finger painting with a lot of red. Put that down right now and go wash your hands.tru1cy wrote:Austin wrote:Who would kill Grund first? (At least until Lucas gets a hold of this game)I'd guess it would be either a n00b who figured killing off someone with apparent investigatory skills would be a good idea, or someone who knows him and how he plays. Perhaps someone with middling skills who's a mixture of both...
Grund is probably one of our more dangerous players. So, the WW probably took a chance to see if he was cursed. If he wasn't then they remove a dangerous player from the game. Tonight victim will probably give us more information.
Heh. Well, what happens if the hunter protects a werewolf? Does the hunter die? Does a wolf die?LordMortis wrote:The interesting thing for me is
1) I would have thought that Grund would have been protected on night one.
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2) I would have thought that Grund would have been protected on night one.
This means:
1) I don't get the wolves.
and
2) I don't get the hunter.
Cesare wrote:Heh. Well, what happens if the hunter protects a werewolf? Does the hunter die? Does a wolf die?
With no additional rules, the evidence would suggest that nothing happens to the wolf.The Rules wrote:If the Werewolf Hunter decides to protect one other player and the Werewolves choose to kill that same person that the Werewolf Hunter has chosen to protect that night, the player chosen will not be killed.
Because asking for a seance at this point gives us only one target (Grund) and zero nights of information from the target. Waiting til later gives us better odds of actually learning something from the seanced.LordMortis wrote:I don't get it. Why not? I'm trying to figure out what we hold the seance until later for. I'm sure there must a good reason that you see and Grund saw but for the life of me I can't figure it out.SirReal wrote:EDITed to add: DON'T ask for a seance! To point out the obvious, it'd be a waste of resources this early.
Can the hunter protect themself? If so, then that's possibly a good logical first protection. Was Grund the hunter? is another possibility, which for some stupid reason is not a possiblity I even thought of. But then, the wolven choice was still interesting, guessing that Grund wouldn't be protected on round one. Or do you think that of four wolves, none of them would object to the idea that Grund would be protected on night one?Chaosraven wrote:Actually I don't understand why Grund wasn't protected either.
My couple of copper bits:
Most likely to be killed early - Kelric, Chaosraven, Cesare
Most likely to be lynched - Chaosraven, Mr Bubbles, Tru1cy
You have to figure that the hunter is either NEW or Protected someone they themselves are familiar with.
Possible random chance: the Mentalist contacted the Hunter and the Hunter decided to protect that person.
Possible random chance: Grund was, in fact, the hunter.
Correct. It doesn't seem like Grund was dropping any hints as to be rolled. I think it would certainly be advisable to wait till we have several canidates before we decide on who to seance.Zurai wrote:Because asking for a seance at this point gives us only one target (Grund) and zero nights of information from the target. Waiting til later gives us better odds of actually learning something from the seanced.LordMortis wrote:I don't get it. Why not? I'm trying to figure out what we hold the seance until later for. I'm sure there must a good reason that you see and Grund saw but for the life of me I can't figure it out.SirReal wrote:EDITed to add: DON'T ask for a seance! To point out the obvious, it'd be a waste of resources this early.
As far as I could tell from the rules, if the hunter protects a werewolf nothing happens. He should be protecting someone every night without fail.Cesare wrote:Heh. Well, what happens if the hunter protects a werewolf? Does the hunter die? Does a wolf die?
LordMortis wrote:Can the hunter protect themself? If so, then that's possibly a good logical first protection. Or do you think that of four wolves, none of them would object to the idea that Grund would be protected on night one?
I also don't understand your copper bits...
Do you actually read these things?The Rules wrote:The Werewolf Hunter cannot choose himself to protect, or the previously protected player from the previous night, if any.
Hex-actly. Ideally, we'll want to seance with a recently killed priest or seer - braindumping post mortem FTW. Yeah, I know, the odds of actually managing that are slim to none, but better that than wasting the seance.Zurai wrote:Because asking for a seance at this point gives us only one target (Grund) and zero nights of information from the target. Waiting til later gives us better odds of actually learning something from the seanced.LordMortis wrote:I don't get it. Why not? I'm trying to figure out what we hold the seance until later for. I'm sure there must a good reason that you see and Grund saw but for the life of me I can't figure it out.SirReal wrote:EDITed to add: DON'T ask for a seance! To point out the obvious, it'd be a waste of resources this early.
I'm just not sure what we'll learn from the seanced. I'm trying to understand what the right circumstances for seancing are.Zurai wrote:Because asking for a seance at this point gives us only one target (Grund) and zero nights of information from the target. Waiting til later gives us better odds of actually learning something from the seanced.LordMortis wrote:I don't get it. Why not? I'm trying to figure out what we hold the seance until later for. I'm sure there must a good reason that you see and Grund saw but for the life of me I can't figure it out.SirReal wrote:EDITed to add: DON'T ask for a seance! To point out the obvious, it'd be a waste of resources this early.
We can also get information from a dead Priest (assuming we seance the Priest) if the Mentalist had contacted them and they claimed that role.Remus West wrote:Medium, I have been putting some thought into what Grund posted. I pictured your biggest ability as being able to prove themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt. With Grund's death though I think they have two main uses. First off, if the Priest comes forward(NOT NOW) at some point and tells us the Seer has been killed we can gain a brain dump from the seer even after the fact. Secondly, if we need to, assuming that the dead are allowed to follow the game and draw conclusions from the action they observe, we could get a brain dump from Grund down the road and know that he is trustworthy(there is a 1/20 chance he was the sorcerer though).
Feel free to vision me, but it is DIRECTLY CONTRARY to the above quote. : lol :Remus West wrote: As for the Seer, I have said it before and I will say it again, vision the people you expect to be around a while. I hope you did not waste a vision on Grund as he was likely killed or lynched in the first few rounds and thus becomes a wasted vision. Check people you expect to survive so that you can build a block of knowns.
Random Possiblity: Grund was one of the Masons.Remus West wrote: Masons, I really think only having two of you your power is mostly in vouching for each other to keep us from lynching an innocent, should one of your heads be close to the block speak up. Do not allow us to hang a mason without a fight.
My suggestion? The Mentalist should have the person they contacted the night before named in their post each day. NOT to out themselves, but to build a Trail in the event the Mentalist is killed (and we are told by the Priest/Seance)Remus West wrote: Mentalist, you are sort of an expanding Masonic block. Your power should enable you to have others vouch for you should we get close to lynching you but also allows you to build a list of knowledge from folks. The combination of you and the Seer should prove crucial to our efforts.
Don't forget the Priest has a choice to make each day as we are also "killing" one player per day. But I agree that knowing what the wolves do is important.Remus West wrote: Priest, you will obviously have some key information. Sadly you will get it a night after the wolves but I think you should check their kills every night rather than the lynchees. We do not want the wolves to be able to act on any knowledge the village is not privy to. By having the Priest check the role of the wolf kills we can keep this from happening.
They have, but the main reason to kill the quiet ones is that they do you no good in the long run and come the end of the game you want everyone alive to have a history you can check into rather than make a blind guess about.ChrisGrenard wrote:In all the games I've seen, I don't think the quiet ones have *ever* been a wolf. Could be wrong, but that was my impression of things.
There we go. That's the piece I was missing. It makes sense for seer to stay quiet even unto death if the priest can still label him and we can still talk to him.Remus West wrote:First off, if the Priest comes forward(NOT NOW) at some point and tells us the Seer has been killed we can gain a brain dump from the seer even after the fact.
Ya think? But your nickel plated copper coated musings mean nothing with out a rationale.Chaosraven wrote:Couple of Copper Bits: Two Cents
You make no sense wacky man. The seer should definately come forward if we are about to hang him. It is in the event of the wolves eating him that we will need the Medium.LordMortis wrote:There we go. That's the piece I was missing. It makes sense for seer to stay quiet even unto death if the priest can still label him and we can still talk to him.Remus West wrote:First off, if the Priest comes forward(NOT NOW) at some point and tells us the Seer has been killed we can gain a brain dump from the seer even after the fact.
Mason partner dead: Living partner confirmed when Dead Speak.LordMortis wrote:I'm just not sure what we'll learn from the seanced. I'm trying to understand what the right circumstances for seancing are.
There is almost ALWAYS (with 3) a Vocal, an Opponent, and a Quiet.Remus West wrote:They have, but the main reason to kill the quiet ones is that they do you no good in the long run and come the end of the game you want everyone alive to have a history you can check into rather than make a blind guess about.ChrisGrenard wrote:In all the games I've seen, I don't think the quiet ones have *ever* been a wolf. Could be wrong, but that was my impression of things.
True, I just think it more important to contact a dead Seer than a dead Priest particularly in light of the fact that we are unlikely to know when/if the Priest dies.Chaosraven wrote:We can also get information from a dead Priest (assuming we seance the Priest) if the Mentalist had contacted them and they claimed that role.Remus West wrote:Medium, I have been putting some thought into what Grund posted. I pictured your biggest ability as being able to prove themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt. With Grund's death though I think they have two main uses. First off, if the Priest comes forward(NOT NOW) at some point and tells us the Seer has been killed we can gain a brain dump from the seer even after the fact. Secondly, if we need to, assuming that the dead are allowed to follow the game and draw conclusions from the action they observe, we could get a brain dump from Grund down the road and know that he is trustworthy(there is a 1/20 chance he was the sorcerer though).
Saving the seance for a couple days to build up info is a good idea.
Checking Grund right now would only allow him to tell us Who He Was (which the Priest can find out if they wish) and What He Discovered (in the event he was the Seer or Sorcerer and got his answer before being killed in the night)
Random Possiblity: Grund was the Medium and a successful Seance Vote will show the Medium is dead.
True, I expect either the wolves or village will kill you in the next couple of rounds. If you live that long then I would vision you.Feel free to vision me, but it is DIRECTLY CONTRARY to the above quote. : lol :Remus West wrote: As for the Seer, I have said it before and I will say it again, vision the people you expect to be around a while. I hope you did not waste a vision on Grund as he was likely killed or lynched in the first few rounds and thus becomes a wasted vision. Check people you expect to survive so that you can build a block of knowns.
It has happened before but that would suck and make the Priest responsible for vouching for the second Mason as he will know what the wolf kill was.Random Possiblity: Grund was one of the Masons.Remus West wrote: Masons, I really think only having two of you your power is mostly in vouching for each other to keep us from lynching an innocent, should one of your heads be close to the block speak up. Do not allow us to hang a mason without a fight.
If you are the surviving partner, outing yourself now only makes you a target. The hunter can only protect you every other night and it would take Proof to draw that protection.
And they should do this how? Vote for the person they talked to everyday? Mention their name randomly? Seems like that would become an obvious tell if they had accidentally contacted a wolf and I think they are to important to risk that way. The Mentalist will have a string of people who know who he is regardless.My suggestion? The Mentalist should have the person they contacted the night before named in their post each day. NOT to out themselves, but to build a Trail in the event the Mentalist is killed (and we are told by the Priest/Seance)Remus West wrote: Mentalist, you are sort of an expanding Masonic block. Your power should enable you to have others vouch for you should we get close to lynching you but also allows you to build a list of knowledge from folks. The combination of you and the Seer should prove crucial to our efforts.
Given that lynched players can tell us their role if we need to know it I think it much more important for the Priest to deny the wolves the advantage of extra information.Don't forget the Priest has a choice to make each day as we are also "killing" one player per day. But I agree that knowing what the wolves do is important.Remus West wrote: Priest, you will obviously have some key information. Sadly you will get it a night after the wolves but I think you should check their kills every night rather than the lynchees. We do not want the wolves to be able to act on any knowledge the village is not privy to. By having the Priest check the role of the wolf kills we can keep this from happening.
What about when there are four?Chaosraven wrote:There is almost ALWAYS (with 3) a Vocal, an Opponent, and a Quiet.
What are you, a wolf? This is your first warning, LM. Get your act together or face my vote!LordMortis wrote:I'm just not sure what we'll learn from the seanced. I'm trying to understand what the right circumstances for seancing are.Zurai wrote:Because asking for a seance at this point gives us only one target (Grund) and zero nights of information from the target. Waiting til later gives us better odds of actually learning something from the seanced.LordMortis wrote:I don't get it. Why not? I'm trying to figure out what we hold the seance until later for. I'm sure there must a good reason that you see and Grund saw but for the life of me I can't figure it out.SirReal wrote:EDITed to add: DON'T ask for a seance! To point out the obvious, it'd be a waste of resources this early.
My thoughts on the early seance are that 1) we learn what, if any, role that first turn deceased 2) we get to know exactly who the medium is, who can then be protected on and off by the hunter which allows 3) the seer to not waste vision on them while he is looking for wolves and 4) the mentalist to not waste a private night contact with him.
I am not saying I am right. I am saying this is what I see as advantages for seancing now. I am trying to understand the pieces put together to see the advantage of seancing later.
I think he means that the mentalist tells the name of the previously contacted person in the PM's.Remus West wrote:And they should do this how? Vote for the person they talked to everyday? Mention their name randomly? Seems like that would become an obvious tell if they had accidentally contacted a wolf and I think they are to important to risk that way. The Mentalist will have a string of people who know who he is regardless.
Again, a bad idea IMO. There is no way for the Mentalist to trust those he contacts. He is at risk every time he contacts someone but to be at all useful must contact someone every night. He will eventually contact a wolf and telling them the list of people he has contacted just puts all of them on the short list to be eaten as well.SirReal wrote:I think he means that the mentalist tells the name of the previously contacted person in the PM's.Remus West wrote:And they should do this how? Vote for the person they talked to everyday? Mention their name randomly? Seems like that would become an obvious tell if they had accidentally contacted a wolf and I think they are to important to risk that way. The Mentalist will have a string of people who know who he is regardless.
Yeah, well, pretty much everyone is on the list to be eaten already. I'm not sure it's a good idea either, but if we can figure out a way to make the mentalist job's safer, that'd be great.Remus West wrote:Again, a bad idea IMO. There is no way for the Mentalist to trust those he contacts. He is at risk every time he contacts someone but to be at all useful must contact someone every night. He will eventually contact a wolf and telling them the list of people he has contacted just puts all of them on the short list to be eaten as well.SirReal wrote:I think he means that the mentalist tells the name of the previously contacted person in the PM's.Remus West wrote:And they should do this how? Vote for the person they talked to everyday? Mention their name randomly? Seems like that would become an obvious tell if they had accidentally contacted a wolf and I think they are to important to risk that way. The Mentalist will have a string of people who know who he is regardless.
But keeping that information a secret means that all the information gathered by the Mentalist is gone the moment he contacts a wolf and gets eaten the next night. The only way for this to not be wasted is IF the Mentalist had somehow luckily contacted the Priest before being eaten AND the Medium is still alive AND we haven't used our seance yet. That's a lot of stipulations to get any use out of the Mentalist if he operates that way.Remus West wrote:Again, a bad idea IMO. There is no way for the Mentalist to trust those he contacts. He is at risk every time he contacts someone but to be at all useful must contact someone every night. He will eventually contact a wolf and telling them the list of people he has contacted just puts all of them on the short list to be eaten as well.SirReal wrote:I think he means that the mentalist tells the name of the previously contacted person in the PM's.Remus West wrote:And they should do this how? Vote for the person they talked to everyday? Mention their name randomly? Seems like that would become an obvious tell if they had accidentally contacted a wolf and I think they are to important to risk that way. The Mentalist will have a string of people who know who he is regardless.
