Wasteland 2 - Impressions start page 8

KiloOhm · Post by **KiloOhm** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:30 am

Grifman wrote:
Lordnine wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:
SlapBone wrote:I'm sure they will figure out a way to screw it up. Glad I held off. Not saying I won't buy it, but Obsidian's involvement definitely means "wait & see".
I'm confused over the Obsidian grumbles. Am I the only one that thought Alpha Protocol and Fallout New Vegas were excellent games - particularly the plots, stories and characters?
Nope. Obsidian is awesome. Their only problem is their games are regularly released in a buggy state. If you follow the track record of their employees it’s been that way all the way back to Fallout. New Vegas, Alpha Protocol, Old Republic 2, Arcanum, Fallout(s), etc.
And I repeat, they won't be doing any programming so your objection is illogical. What you are getting from them is what they do best, designing interesting worlds/stories. Your continued objection despite the facts doesn't make any sense.

FYI Obsidian did not do Arcanum, that was Troika.

I fully expect this game to be quite buggy, but I'll be OK with that for the $15 I paid. I can't imagine they are going to have a large SQA team with only a few million. Maybe they will find some cheap (or free) help, but SQAing a large RPG must be a nightmare for what will surely be a small team.

TiLT · Post by **TiLT** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:25 am

There will be a beta for everyone who pledged $55 and above, which should help.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:51 am

Phew. It's official this game is funded. It was hit & miss there for awhile.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:56 am

Archinerd wrote:I never did actually play the original, but I've always liked the box art.

Here's what their thinking for the new "box" art.

TiLT · Post by **TiLT** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:46 am

I like that they're using the box art to make it abundantly clear that this isn't Fallout. A lush, overgrown city wouldn't really have happened there, but in Wasteland that's nothing special.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:53 am

Love this from the latest update (UNLESS it means overly long, drawn out development with constant pushing back of the completion date):

"Not a week goes by that I am not in a conversation with my team here or with other development groups about how wonderful this experience has been and the gratitude for the opportunity to work on a game under our terms. We are so much more efficient this way, and the game's development has a more organic process to it. Nothing in the world beats out the tinkering and re-iteration process."

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:18 am

Not sure if I missed this elsewhere, but a copy of the original Wasteland will be included with Wasteland 2.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:11 pm

Smoove_B wrote:Not sure if I missed this elsewhere, but a copy of the original Wasteland will be included with Wasteland 2.

Weird, because I'm pretty sure I read somewhere, possibly the kickstarter page, saying they would include a copy of the original if they could, but that they couldn't.

I guess that's changed.

TiLT · Post by **TiLT** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:56 am

GreenGoo wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:Not sure if I missed this elsewhere, but a copy of the original Wasteland will be included with Wasteland 2.
Weird, because I'm pretty sure I read somewhere, possibly the kickstarter page, saying they would include a copy of the original if they could, but that they couldn't.

I guess that's changed.

They didn't have the rights to the old Wasteland game as that is still owned by EA. Brian Fargo has obviously managed to reach some kind of agreement with them, though the details of this agreement are kept secret. I hope he's not paying royalties or anything like that. Perhaps he's just agreed to promote EA with the bundle or something.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:49 am

I'm guessing it was part of the discussion when EA tried to secure distribution for Wasteland 2 on Origin. I can only imagine what they offered to try and entice them into an exclusive deal.

TiLT · Post by **TiLT** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:12 am

Smoove_B wrote:I'm guessing it was part of the discussion when EA tried to secure distribution for Wasteland 2 on Origin. I can only imagine what they offered to try and entice them into an exclusive deal.

Though the details of the arrangement is secret, Brian Fargo has publicly said that the agreement does not involve Origin. His Twitter message says: "Fear not my worriers... The Wasteland 1 inclusion has no conditions related to Origin."

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:05 am

TiLT wrote:
Smoove_B wrote:I'm guessing it was part of the discussion when EA tried to secure distribution for Wasteland 2 on Origin. I can only imagine what they offered to try and entice them into an exclusive deal.
Though the details of the arrangement is secret, Brian Fargo has publicly said that the agreement does not involve Origin. His Twitter message says: "Fear not my worriers... The Wasteland 1 inclusion has no conditions related to Origin."

Hah!

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:34 pm

WIP screenie (note no particle and other effects have been applied yet):

killbot737 · Post by **killbot737** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:53 pm

Scorpitron lives!

BOO! Where are the 8x8 pixel sprites!? I want to imagine fighting a football-field sized robot, not see it in roundy-cornered cactusy crap-o-vision!

TiLT · Post by **TiLT** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:48 am

The first actual gameplay video has been posted, and it's awesome! It's long too, clocking in at 17:24 and showing off several different elements of the game. Just remember that these guys are only halfway through development yet, so it's not going to look or sound quite as good as the final product. This isn't the typical E3 presentation we've been taught to expect throughout the years. It's more personal and honest.

EzeKieL · Post by **EzeKieL** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:25 am

Love it!

Very glad I backed this.

Lordnine · Post by **Lordnine** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:44 pm

I really hope the interface is going to go through a few more revisions but game-play wise this looks like everything I ever wanted from the game.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:48 pm

Lordnine wrote:I really hope the interface is going to go through a few more revisions but game-play wise this looks like everything I ever wanted from the game.

As long as the UI has keyboard shortcuts, I'm not overly concerned about the interface. Too much clicking for my carpal tunneled carpals as is though.

And it's a small thing, but they mentioned the rotatable camera, and I think it adds a lot to the game. A static camera might be a good throwback for a lot of people, but I prefer what they've done with it.

Game does seem to be shaping up well.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:27 pm

I'll take it as is... just let me play!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:26 pm

Man, I loved Wastelands on my old Commodore 128 and this looks just as great. I can't wait.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:13 pm

TiLT wrote:The first actual gameplay video has been posted, and it's awesome! It's long too, clocking in at 17:24 and showing off several different elements of the game. Just remember that these guys are only halfway through development yet, so it's not going to look or sound quite as good as the final product. This isn't the typical E3 presentation we've been taught to expect throughout the years. It's more personal and honest.

Excellent looking. They even have the old Fallout text box with descriptions. Looks to be everything I hoped it would be!

Peacedog · Post by **Peacedog** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:53 am

Looks good. But I am not really looking forward to having to heard the cats all over a map. Or make the effort to select the guy who is the lockpicker every time I need to pick a lock.

ColdSteel · Post by **ColdSteel** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:12 am

Peacedog wrote:Looks good. But I am not really looking forward to having to heard the cats all over a map. Or make the effort to select the guy who is the lockpicker every time I need to pick a lock.

From the demo it looks like the group stays together in a very tight formation. Maybe they are trying to deal with it that way. We'll see, I guess. As for the lock picking, how is that really different from any other game with multiple characters that you control? I don't know, I'm just happy to have a RPG with mutiple characters to play again.

Peacedog · Post by **Peacedog** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:18 am

ColdSteel wrote: From the demo it looks like the group stays together in a very tight formation. Maybe they are trying to deal with it that way. We'll see, I guess. As for the lock picking, how is that really different from any other game with multiple characters that you control? I don't know, I'm just happy to have a RPG with mutiple characters to play again.

The fact that many games which had multiple characters to control forced you to do that sort of thing doesn't make it ok; that's not an effective argument. NWN2: Storms of Zehir was a mixed bag but one of the underrated thing it did was check against the "highest skill" in the party for many things. So you didn't have to stop and worry that, shit, the paladin wasn't active during this conversation and in fact the Fighter with his 0 ranks of diplomacy and -2 Charisma modifier just attempted to parlay. And so on and so forth.

I can't tell if the formation was tight because it was technomagically "bound together" in some way or not. If so, that would be super.

I want to see a revival for various "lost" or "forgotten" or "mostly forgotten" types of games as much as the next virtual entity, but I also want them to evolve.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:27 am

ColdSteel wrote:From the demo it looks like the group stays together in a very tight formation.

Only if you control them as a group. From the video you can also move them individually, and split off team members as they do when they set up that ambush. Just depends on how much micro management you want to do.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:00 am

I wonder how much of any weapon customization there will be? Im playing Dead Space 3 rigth now and damn if it doesn't have that out the wing wang. So im curious if there will be any at all, a little bit(adding scopes or larger magazines), or full on (under slung grenade launchers, rifled barrels, new stocks)

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:04 pm

Check your email, Steam keys are now out! Downloading now . . . impressions later!

IceBear · Post by **IceBear** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:19 pm

Ah, I didn't back that high

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:57 pm

Hah, I just realized neither did I! Duh!

I'm just $5 short. Got the email, I assumed it went out only to those that qualified but didn't have key when I logged in. I guess I'll just have to live vicariously from what others post.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:15 am

I backed the Tides of Numeria high enough to get a copy of Wasteland 2. Though not sure when that gets me a copy.

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:26 am

TheMix wrote:I backed the Tides of Numeria high enough to get a copy of Wasteland 2. Though not sure when that gets me a copy.

Same...

TiLT · Post by **TiLT** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:25 am

I have the beta downloaded. Will give it a go later tonight. I probably won't play very far into it though, as I want to save most of it for the final release.

TiLT · Post by **TiLT** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:03 pm

Played through the first area just now, and went to one of the ones that follow it afterwards. Had to force myself to stop. This feels very Fallout-like in many ways. It's reasonably polished to be a beta, though I've seen bugs, typos and clunkiness. Spent about an hour just making my characters. I felt like my original Wasteland 1 party had covered most areas of skills, but in this game you'll have to make some damn hard choices early on, and you won't even be able to get to rank 1 in more than roughly half the skills or so at first. Then you keep running into situations that require 2 or 3 in certain skills, making your choices extra painful. Just as it should be.

I don't know how much more I'll play during the beta. I might just stop here to save the rest for the final release, even though I'd really like to dig deeper into the thing.

DD* · Post by DD* » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:08 pm

TiLT wrote:The first actual gameplay video has been posted, and it's awesome! It's long too, clocking in at 17:24 and showing off several different elements of the game. Just remember that these guys are only halfway through development yet, so it's not going to look or sound quite as good as the final product. This isn't the typical E3 presentation we've been taught to expect throughout the years. It's more personal and honest.

Linky no worky

TiLT · Post by **TiLT** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:21 pm

DD* wrote:
TiLT wrote:The first actual gameplay video has been posted, and it's awesome! It's long too, clocking in at 17:24 and showing off several different elements of the game. Just remember that these guys are only halfway through development yet, so it's not going to look or sound quite as good as the final product. This isn't the typical E3 presentation we've been taught to expect throughout the years. It's more personal and honest.
Linky no worky

That kind of goes with the territory when you click on a 10 months old video link.

Try YouTube. There's bound to be plenty of gameplay videos now, particularly from the beta. The look of the UI in particular has changed dramatically since the video I posted before.

KDH · Post by **KDH** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:53 pm

released today on steam ... $60 buys you early access

ColdSteel · Post by **ColdSteel** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:17 am

KDH wrote:$60 buys you early access

The devs must have gotten into the peyote.

morlac · Post by **morlac** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:45 am

ColdSteel wrote:
KDH wrote:$60 buys you early access
The devs must have gotten into the peyote.

They must be sharing because it is number #2 on the sales chart.

Arkon · Post by **Arkon** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:50 pm

ColdSteel wrote:
KDH wrote:$60 buys you early access
The devs must have gotten into the peyote.

It is $60 because that is the level in Kickstarter that got you early access. Also note that the steam early access includes Wasteland 1 and other goodies.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:58 pm

I don't have a problem with them charging $60 for early access if that's what kickstarter backers paid. Fair is fair. Doesn't mean that I'll pay it, however. If this had been your typical $20 or $25 beta I would have been on it like stink on a monkey.

Hell, I probably would have gone in at $60 if this had come in during one of those slump periods, but with all the good stuff coming out on sale over the next 3 weeks, that $60 will pay for 4 or 5 finished games. And Wasteand 2 will still be there later.