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I wouldn't term it selfish - more ego. Either way, it's too late. That decision was needed way before the first primary/caucus.Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:05 pm It is an option if Biden want to. He can withdraw and endorse someone else. But he is probably too selfish to do that.
Why is it too late? If Biden unable to continue tomorrow, Democrats isn't going to have any candidate because it is too late? So Trump is the president if Biden doesn't last until the election?stessier wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:08 pmI wouldn't term it selfish - more ego. Either way, it's too late. That decision was needed way before the first primary/caucus.Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:05 pm It is an option if Biden want to. He can withdraw and endorse someone else. But he is probably too selfish to do that.
Practically, yes.Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:14 pmWhy is it too late? If Biden unable to continue tomorrow, Democrats isn't going to have any candidate because it is too late? So Trump is the president if Biden doesn't last until the election?stessier wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:08 pmI wouldn't term it selfish - more ego. Either way, it's too late. That decision was needed way before the first primary/caucus.Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:05 pm It is an option if Biden want to. He can withdraw and endorse someone else. But he is probably too selfish to do that.
That's okay, you've got very little credibility on the issue.Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:53 pm At this point, I think Biden is the only Democrat that can lose to Trump.
Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:53 pm At this point, I think Biden is the only Democrat that can lose to Trump. He seriously need to step aside and endorse a younger and better candidate if he really want to save US from Trump.
ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 9:49 amImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:05 am Focusing on whether the Ds can find someone better to run against Trump than Biden is missing the point. They aren't going to find someone better because they're not looking. Further, they're not going to look. Barring death or debilitating stroke or something along those lines, the die is cast. Biden is the nominee, full stop. No third party will come to the rescue. No darkhorse D candidate. It's Biden vs. Trump. That's simply reality.
Continuing to focus on his age or whether the Ds can find someone else isn't helpful or productive to getting him reelected.
Voters like his swagger and his bluster. They pay more attention to how it's delivered than to what's said.waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:33 pm In my local circle of idiots trump is more vibrant because he colors his hair. Seriously it’s maddening.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk met with former President Donald Trump on Sunday in Palm Beach, Florida, along with unnamed wealthy Republican donors, the New York Times reported, citing three people briefed on the meeting.
Trump is courting donors as he gears up for a general election campaign against President Joe Biden. It’s not yet clear whether Musk will financially back or endorse Trump and his 2024 campaign.
Musk and a representative for Trump’s campaign didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
Private jets belonging to Trump and Musk were spotted landing within less than an hour of one another at a Palm Beach airport on March 2. The jets’ whereabouts were first reported online by the service known as “Elon Jet,” which uses publicly available data to track more than 125 jets belonging to politicians, celebrities and executives.
Scary as hell, but I already suspected this was true (with the caveat that those videos are selected to tell a narrative, and interviews were edited and selected to support that narrative).waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 7:02 pmThe rusted on loyalty is insane.
The attitude here is insane.
I’m not voting for Trump in the primary because he is an unhinged lunatic but in a general election match up between Biden and trump I’m voting for trump!
What’s happened to critical thinking. Does everyone live with this cognitive dissonance now?
It boils down to something pretty straightforward:Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:39 am Scary as hell, but I already suspected this was true (with the caveat that those videos are selected to tell a narrative, and interviews were edited and selected to support that narrative).
It’s like they initially show all these R primary voters being reasonable, just absolutely dumping on Trump, how they think he’s a liar and cheater…then effectively showing how they will absolutely and totally vote for him when it comes to the general election. Fucking depressing.
You know, the time is right. I’m at a point in my life where I want to do different things. I want to enjoy my family more, I want to [do] less business travel and more recreational travel. There are a lot of things that went into the decision.
But really we’re at a time in American politics, that I am not going to lie on behalf of my presidential candidate, on behalf of my party. And I’m very sad that others in my party have taken the position that, as long as we get the White House, it doesn’t really matter what we say.
You could have done the right thing and spoken out against the person who has called you every name in the book except competent. But you chose the path that every other sycophant has.“It is abundantly clear that former President Trump has earned the requisite support of Republican voters to be our nominee for President of the United States,” McConnell said in the statement.
McConnell said, “It should come as no surprise that as nominee, he will have my support.”
Works both ways I think. The people that I know that are Democrats would also never vote R. It certainly FEELS like ‘the other side is worse about this!’ but I get very…wary when I hear myself thinking that way.YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:59 am I know many, many people who would never vote for a Democrat, even if the Republican candidate stood in opposition to every belief they held. The tribalism is insane.
Eh, we know Mitch lies. He will support Trump doing things Mitch likes, and will let the new GOP Senate leader deal with the bullshit.hepcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:46 pm Oh Mitch, you spineless piece of shit. When I thought you couldn't sink any lower as a human being, you go ahead and win the limbo award.
You could have done the right thing and spoken out against the person who has called you every name in the book except competent. But you chose the path that every other sycophant has.“It is abundantly clear that former President Trump has earned the requisite support of Republican voters to be our nominee for President of the United States,” McConnell said in the statement.
McConnell said, “It should come as no surprise that as nominee, he will have my support.”
When his synapses are properly firing.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:22 pmEh, we know Mitch lies. He will support Trump doing things Mitch likes, and will let the new GOP Senate leader deal with the bullshit.hepcat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:46 pm Oh Mitch, you spineless piece of shit. When I thought you couldn't sink any lower as a human being, you go ahead and win the limbo award.
You could have done the right thing and spoken out against the person who has called you every name in the book except competent. But you chose the path that every other sycophant has.“It is abundantly clear that former President Trump has earned the requisite support of Republican voters to be our nominee for President of the United States,” McConnell said in the statement.
McConnell said, “It should come as no surprise that as nominee, he will have my support.”
In my case at least, this isn't true. I'd vote for a decent R, and have in the past, if the D candidate sucks.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:10 pmWorks both ways I think. The people that I know that are Democrats would also never vote R. It certainly FEELS like ‘the other side is worse about this!’ but I get very…wary when I hear myself thinking that way.YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:59 am I know many, many people who would never vote for a Democrat, even if the Republican candidate stood in opposition to every belief they held. The tribalism is insane.
I found Arnold to be much more thoughtful and intelligent than many of his Republican peers. Surprisingly. He has very specific views forged from that he succeeded despite a hard upbringing and he thinks everyone should do that too that are pretty much Reaganism which I believe have been discredited. It’s clear you can’t tax cut and sell public assets asa path to prosperity. The balance provided by the Roosevelt-Truman-Eisenhower years is what’s needed.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:31 pmIn my case at least, this isn't true. I'd vote for a decent R, and have in the past, if the D candidate sucks.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:10 pmWorks both ways I think. The people that I know that are Democrats would also never vote R. It certainly FEELS like ‘the other side is worse about this!’ but I get very…wary when I hear myself thinking that way.YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:59 am I know many, many people who would never vote for a Democrat, even if the Republican candidate stood in opposition to every belief they held. The tribalism is insane.
E.G. I voted for the governator in CA over a Democratic worm in Phil Angelides. Ahnold was at least strong on the environment, tho he did try to do some seriously evil GOP sh*t (sell state property and lease it back? what a short term stupid idea that would only benefit grifters. place limits on unions but not other PACs/Corps? Another sell out of the state designed to enrich the oligarchs). Thank god neither got anywhere.
On the other hand, Ahnold was the last even close to sane GOP person to run in CA. Hell, the GOP is putting up talk show hosts for Governor and Serial Adulterer Baseball players who probably don't even have a college degree for the Senate. The lesson the GOP has learned from Ahnold is that dumb celebrities should be the candidate rather than being sane on policy.
So, yeah. Find me a decent, sane GOP candidate who isn't a celebrity and has actual governing experience (aka won't be a muppet and hasn't sold their soul to MAGA culture wars) and we'll talk.
Mostly agree. As indicated, he did try to pull some of the billionaire bullshit, especially WRT to selling off the State Land and buildings and making the State a renter of its own property from the billionaires who would have snapped it up in a heartbeat.waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:14 pm But for his faults he lived in the real world. Certainly he’s miles ahead of any Republican we see in public life now who now to the billionaires and trump.
Certainly as with most Republican presidents and leaders since 2000 I much prefer him out of office than in office. Seems they only grow a spine once they leave public life.
Yeah, but that's part of the problem in electing people with no Public Service history - they don't fully grok working in service to an entity which will outlive them by decades, if not centuries (and we're back to the problem of inexperienced Celebrities getting played).
Likewise. I've voted for Republicans like Bill Weld and Charlie Baker because they were the better choice. I might have voted for John McCain if he hadn't dug up Sarah Palin. Of course this was all before the party went down the MAGA hole. Just a couple of weeks ago I voted for Nikki Haley and two non-MAGA candidates in the R primary -- not because I supported them, but in hopes of resisting MAGA.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:31 pmIn my case at least, this isn't true. I'd vote for a decent R, and have in the past, if the D candidate sucks.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:10 pmWorks both ways I think. The people that I know that are Democrats would also never vote R. It certainly FEELS like ‘the other side is worse about this!’ but I get very…wary when I hear myself thinking that way.YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:59 am I know many, many people who would never vote for a Democrat, even if the Republican candidate stood in opposition to every belief they held. The tribalism is insane.
Same all around. All of these - McCain (pre-Palin), Weld, Baker, all sane GOP politicians who presented a viable alternative in a functioning two party system. I don't care how partisan you are: Everyone should be longing for the days when those alternatives existed. It's why the "vote for the worst" strategies the Dems have latched on to boosting MAGAt lunatics in primaries b/c they will be easier to beat in generals rub me the wrong way so much. They are so, so short-sighted.Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:48 pmLikewise. I've voted for Republicans like Bill Weld and Charlie Baker because they were the better choice. I might have voted for John McCain if he hadn't dug up Sarah Palin. Of course this was all before the party went down the MAGA hole. Just a couple of weeks ago I voted for Nikki Haley and two non-MAGA candidates in the R primary -- not because I supported them, but in hopes of resisting MAGA.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:31 pmIn my case at least, this isn't true. I'd vote for a decent R, and have in the past, if the D candidate sucks.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:10 pmWorks both ways I think. The people that I know that are Democrats would also never vote R. It certainly FEELS like ‘the other side is worse about this!’ but I get very…wary when I hear myself thinking that way.YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:59 am I know many, many people who would never vote for a Democrat, even if the Republican candidate stood in opposition to every belief they held. The tribalism is insane.
Even though the party is now thoroughly tainted by trump, I would still consider supporting an old-school, fiscally conservative and socially moderate New England Republican, if any still exist.
This is why despite disagreeing with him on many many things I agreed with Arnold Swartznegger on the issue of gerrymandering: he believes this led to representatives not voting for the best policies even if they agreed with them because they would face censure and expulsion in their primary elections from their party bases. In the general they’d be untouchable.Kurth wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:52 pmSame all around. All of these - McCain (pre-Palin), Weld, Baker, all sane GOP politicians who presented a viable alternative in a functioning two party system. I don't care how partisan you are: Everyone should be longing for the days when those alternatives existed. It's why the "vote for the worst" strategies the Dems have latched on to boosting MAGAt lunatics in primaries b/c they will be easier to beat in generals rub me the wrong way so much. They are so, so short-sighted.Kraken wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:48 pmLikewise. I've voted for Republicans like Bill Weld and Charlie Baker because they were the better choice. I might have voted for John McCain if he hadn't dug up Sarah Palin. Of course this was all before the party went down the MAGA hole. Just a couple of weeks ago I voted for Nikki Haley and two non-MAGA candidates in the R primary -- not because I supported them, but in hopes of resisting MAGA.Pyperkub wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:31 pmIn my case at least, this isn't true. I'd vote for a decent R, and have in the past, if the D candidate sucks.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:10 pmWorks both ways I think. The people that I know that are Democrats would also never vote R. It certainly FEELS like ‘the other side is worse about this!’ but I get very…wary when I hear myself thinking that way.YellowKing wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:59 am I know many, many people who would never vote for a Democrat, even if the Republican candidate stood in opposition to every belief they held. The tribalism is insane.
Even though the party is now thoroughly tainted by trump, I would still consider supporting an old-school, fiscally conservative and socially moderate New England Republican, if any still exist.
What do you mean that worked out great in 2016.
