Octopus Overlords

BTW, I'd you guys are going to kill me let's just do it. I'm safe. No special will be harmed and El Guapo is dead already having already won us a say.


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Scoop20906 wrote:BTW, I'd you guys are going to kill me let's just do it. I'm safe. No special will be harmed and El Guapo is dead already having already won us a say.

Scoop20906 wrote:Hmm. I think I've broken this fame open.

Hard to type with those wolf fingers?

I'm getting bored.


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Scoop20906 wrote:Hmm. I think I've broken this fame open. Two vocal wolves and one silent.

I go to my grave with peace.


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If you have names, then spill it Cochise. Break this case wide open!

I guess Newcastle and Unagi. There's my guesses. OK kill me.


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Scoop20906 wrote:I'm getting bored.


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That's a "I made a move, damn it" comment .

Scoop20906 wrote:I guess Newcastle and Unagi. There's my guesses. OK kill me.


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Why do you semi-accuse moliere, but then seemingly toss him aside?

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:I guess Newcastle and Unagi. There's my guesses. OK kill me.


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Why do you semi-accuse moliere, but then seemingly toss him aside?

As you know accusations serve a purpose alone but he is back to his singlemindedness so seems kind a normal to me.

Unagi wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:I'm getting bored.


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That's a "I made a move, damn it" comment .

Really, there isn't anything more I can do. If you guys are going to kill me, itd be nice if you'd just got it over with.

For those of you voting Scoop ask yourself how on earth his play makes any sense as a wolf? I realize it makes little sense as a villager but as a wolf it makes even less. Everyone is alive so they know the protector is still alive yet wolf Scoop comes out with zero pressure on himself and places the cross-hairs squarely on his own forehead? Nope. Not buying it. Even if you honestly think he "forced" El Guapo's hand (I disagree since I think events forced his hand regardless of Scoop and regardless of a self-protect or other protect) nothing he did makes any sense at all for a wolf at this stage of the game.

Remus West wrote:For those of you voting Scoop ask yourself how on earth his play makes any sense as a wolf? I realize it makes little sense as a villager but as a wolf it makes even less. Everyone is alive so they know the protector is still alive yet wolf Scoop comes out with zero pressure on himself and places the cross-hairs squarely on his own forehead? Nope. Not buying it. Even if you honestly think he "forced" El Guapo's hand (I disagree since I think events forced his hand regardless of Scoop and regardless of a self-protect or other protect) nothing he did makes any sense at all for a wolf at this stage of the game.

That's exactly why I'm not voting for him, it makes no sense, I'm fine with scanning him (gut feeling it'll come back clean...).
Beside we lose nothing keeping him alive, he's in the crosshair anyway.

Remus, one benefit is I am a safe vote today tho. I'm a safe miss. I'd hate to accidentally hit one of our specials today.


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But villagers volunteering for the lynch aren't going to win us the game.

I think it's still semi-likely that Scoop is the Berserker. I agree that maybe we shouldn't lynch him today, but he should be scanned.

Faking a come-out wildly and early is similar to what he did last time, so it would be perfect Berserker cover this time. And all the "Kill me!" stuff doesn't look good.

Wasn't faking last time. Never lied this time.


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Scoop20906 wrote:Remus, one benefit is I am a safe vote today tho. I'm a safe miss. I'd hate to accidentally hit one of our specials today.


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This. Especially since there really isn't anything better to go on.
I've got another busy day though so I"m willing to withdaw my vote just in case something comes up.
 Withdraw Scoop 
 

The way Remus looks at the world:





The way Scoop looks at the world:

Remus West wrote:For those of you voting Scoop ask yourself how on earth his play makes any sense as a wolf? I realize it makes little sense as a villager but as a wolf it makes even less. Everyone is alive so they know the protector is still alive yet wolf Scoop comes out with zero pressure on himself and places the cross-hairs squarely on his own forehead? Nope. Not buying it. Even if you honestly think he "forced" El Guapo's hand (I disagree since I think events forced his hand regardless of Scoop and regardless of a self-protect or other protect) nothing he did makes any sense at all for a wolf at this stage of the game.

Step into Scoop's shows
IF Villager
-If a villager scoop spoofed this role, he had no idea if el guapo self protected or not; and thereby his actions would have FORCED El guapo's hand regardless if there was a self protect or not.
-the last time scoop spoofed a role like this he got burned badly and i dont think he'd repeat that mistake.

As a wolf
-scoop saw an opportunity to lay claim to something and would potentially get the protector lynched
-scoop would get the "benefit of the doubt" and probably float for a couple of days until the village deals with him; that's what he's banking on
-scoop doesn't strategize much with the other wolves. I remember on one occasion he said somethign to this effect "i wont check in here much, because i do better on my own". So this, if it is a wolf move, is not sanctioned by the other wolves. This is solo scoop wolf.


I'll be honest, there is a part of me that can really see this as villager scoop doing his thing; but there's a larger part of me that sees this as a wolf ploy.

As much as I like discussion on day 1 to get feel for things; i see this scoop issue as being huge for us and will be forever nagging us in this game and we will have to confront that issue eventually. Why not now? He says he's a safe bet. Why go fishing elsewhere and possibly turn over a special? Why not give our specials another day to do their magic?

Anyone seen grund? Would drop a vote on him, but not moving my vote from scoop.

Let's reconstruct the moment:

Day 1 dawns with no kill
-Holman makes a post...

Scoop then makes a post.....

Villager Scoop:
Scoop as a villager rises out of bed, yawns, see's no one is killed. He doesn't wonder how, who or why it happened, but the first thing he thinks of "i have to spoof the protector" in order to protect them. This will also cause chaos and confusion.


Wolf Scoop
Wolf scoop has been up all night, and damn it there has been no night kill. Well since I am Mr. Splodie wolf, let me rush in there claim the protector role and force them to come out. I dont know if El Guapo was protected or if he is the protector. I do know that we were thwarted. My spoofing this role will also cause chaos and confusion. WIN!
-if i draw out the protector that's an awesome win (think rook for bishop in chess)


Again it doesn't matter when the Mr. Splodie wolf goes off, it only matters that he does and inflicts damage.

Newcastle wrote:Wolf Scoop
Wolf scoop has been up all night, and damn it there has been no night kill. Well since I am Mr. Splodie wolf, let me rush in there claim the protector role and force them to come out. I dont know if El Guapo was protected or if he is the protector. I do know that we were thwarted. My spoofing this role will also cause chaos and confusion. WIN!
-if i draw out the protector that's an awesome win (think rook for bishop in chess)

This.

Vorret is mighty quiet, IMO.

Others as well.

Punisher around?

Grund feel like actually playing, or?

Punisher is around.
Punisher typically only posts when he has a question or has something to contribute.
Punisher is not good on analysis for this game in general, especially on Day 1.
Punisher lurks and let's the veteran players post so that he has something to go on, rather than doing the random spin wheel vote thing.

if you need Punishers input.. Punisher does not believe Scoop is a wolf. However, it is Scoop, so who knows whats going on inside his head. If we can't come up with a better person, I would vote Scoop. I think he may be a safe kill, even if he is Mr. Splodie though...

I revoke my opinion that Unagi is a wolf.


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Scoop20906 wrote:I revoke my opinion that Unagi is a wolf.


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Based on what?

Gut feeling, or Scoop insight?

RMC wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:I revoke my opinion that Unagi is a wolf.


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Based on what?

Gut feeling, or Scoop insight?

I'll say I think he is being careful which instantly screamed wolf to me but the guilty tells aren't showing and yes my gut says he's not a wolf. I'm still fully convinced Newcastle is a wolf.


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Scoop20906 wrote:

RMC wrote:

Scoop20906 wrote:I revoke my opinion that Unagi is a wolf.


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Based on what?

Gut feeling, or Scoop insight?

I'll say I think he is being careful which instantly screamed wolf to me but the guilty tells aren't showing and yes my gut says he's not a wolf. I'm still fully convinced Newcastle is a wolf.


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I could get behind a newcastle vote. He is also sneaky evil.....

So...because this caused me to really laugh during the Walking Dead game, but more importantly i think it shows scoop...specifically the "hold my beer". Not sure if this is appropriate and will remove if it isn't.

Vorret wrote:

Remus West wrote:

Vorret wrote:There's a possible scenario where both Scoop and Holman are wolves that we shouldn't ignore as well, I mean, it's far fetched but Scoop can get a bit crazy sometimes with wild ideas so I'm not going to completely trust either of them.

I mentioned that one above.

I know, very unlikely.

It could have been something like :

Hey Scoop you claimed T-Dog now don't do anything too wild okay?
And scoop just went : Hold my beer and watch this!!!!

Lol! Past history is relevant!!! No problem from me, Newcastle.


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Hey! I just realized I never got my beer back!


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Scoop20906 wrote:First off can we get over the fact that yet again no one died yet so I'm not spoofing anything, right?

Anddddd this game I can self-protection, right??

Sooooo don't vote for me, right?

The wolves know who they attacked so I'm pretty sure that since they missed last night they are going to attack again, right?

So I'm either dead tonight or someone else is, right??

Either way, I'm the wrong target today, right???


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This moment in your 'fake' is what seems the most wrong to me... as someone who is a villager and trying to help the Protector? (who you yourself say most likely self-protected).
Just such an "odd move" IMO, for a villager to 'fake' with the very first post of the day...

If it was ANYONE but you, Scoop, there would be no question that it was done by a wolf, IMO.

There's a chance Scoop is a wolf but if he is a wolf he's the beserker so lynching him isn't the best of idea, I say let him live, kill someone else (like, I dunno, the Canadian hater) and we scan Scoop. logically our seer shouldn't die tonight since El guapo will be the nigth kill .

Vorret wrote:kill someone else (like, I dunno, the Canadian hater)

Glad to see you're making your self-loathing public. I think that's one of the AA steps.

Moliere wrote:

Vorret wrote:kill someone else (like, I dunno, the Canadian hater)

Glad to see you're making your self-loathing public. I think that's one of the AA steps.

Unagi wrote:
If it was ANYONE but you, Scoop, there would be no question that it was done by a wolf, IMO.

Why are you trying to butter me up?


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Scoop20906 wrote:

Unagi wrote:
If it was ANYONE but you, Scoop, there would be no question that it was done by a wolf, IMO.

Why are you trying to butter me up?


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Says the guy who recently declared that I was no longer looking like a wolf. gotcha.

I am just gonna ramble on some numbers here....

14 players
-3wolves(X, y & Scoop)
-1 El Guapo
- 1 scan
(5)

This is the world according to the wolves:
9 players left who they arent sure about.

Of those 9 players there are roughly 2-3 more specials left...



Tomorrow
-14players
-day 1 lynch innocent villager
- el guapo dies
-day 1 scan
-day 2 scan
-3 wolves (X, y, & scoop)
(7)

Day 2 starts with
7 players left who the wolves dont know their identity.


So i did this exercise really to come around to this question:
If you think scoop is a wolf, and you think he's more likely to be mr. splodie....why would you wait to lynch him? they already have 1 scan and a ok feel for the game; why give the wolves any more knowledge. Because if we wait till tomorrow to lynch scoop and he is mr. splodie then the wolves have a lot more scans and knowledge to work with.

Yep, I agree with Newcastle"s logic. If I were Mr splodie then killing me now would make sense because I will have a tougher time finding a special.

But I'm not going to explode so it's safe either way.

That being said Newcastle is definitely acting like a wolf while I'm acting merely like a scoop.

I'm the scoopist scoop there is. The other scoop's are all ducks and clowns. Trust me. I gate getting together with those guys.


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Fact: if you KNOW you have a zerker wolf (we don't yet), you save him for last... you don't kill him ever until you are (nearly) out of misses. Right?

I've been on many a wolf team where the zerker wants the go first and fast.

This could have been done (a zerker wanting to come out) because they already know who to zerk from a "Seeker' scan... Maybe they want to get El Guapo tonight, but zerk on someone else today...

Also, Scoop is claiming that he is just a normal village... and that's the best 'role' to turn into a trusted via a seer scan, IMO.

So if we're not going to lynch Scoop, waiting for the scan instead, whom do we lynch?