BSG VII -Sabotage -Game Over-Minor Victory-Humans

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:11 pm

msteelers

1. RMC
2. Lagom
3. Qantaga
4. Semaj

Lagom

1. Qantaga
2. msteelers
3. Semaj
4. RMC

RMC

1. msteelers
2. semaj
3. Lagom
4. Qantaga

Qantaga

1. msteelers
2. Lagom
3. RMC
4. Semaj

Semaj

1. msteelers
2. RMC
3. Lagom
4. Qantaga

Personally, my list is basically the same as Qantaga's list, which is basically the same as Semaj's list.

What I don't like about:
msteelers: the RMC/Grund connection. Pretty damn clean game...
Lagom: that he doesn't have any concern at all on the RMC thing, and a whole lot of action in the end game.
RMC: the RMC/Grund/msteelers connection. Remus would have checked him if Grund was cylon.
Qantaga: quite a bit of ezmating. His list is the same as my list. a whole lot of action in the end game. Chaos was leaning toward him.
Semaj: Sometimes leans on his liver for cover.

BTW, if we give 4 points for being at the bottom of the list - here is how the final 5 map out:
msteelers: 5 points
Lagom and RMC: 10 points
Qantaga: 12 points
Semaj: 13 points

I think we need to take this swing at msteelers, learn from it - and go from there...

If msteelers comes back human - his top 2 of Lagom and RMC nicely fit with what I have next on my list.

Lassr,

Lassr wrote:Deadline is: Wednesday, June 21st 8 PM Central

Are you holding firm on the Wednesday part of that, or the June 21st part of that?

msteelers

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:23 pm

How can I have played a "clean game", and yet be on the top of everyones list?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:29 pm

Unagi wrote:
Lassr,
Lassr wrote:Deadline is: Wednesday, June 21st 8 PM Central
Are you holding firm on the Wednesday part of that, or the June 21st part of that?

Sorry, should be Wed June 22nd.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:30 pm

1 RMC ----------
2 pr0ner ----------
3 Qantaga ----------
4 Unagi ---------- msteelers
5 Lagom Lite ---------- msteelers
6 semaj ----------
7 msteelers ---------- Lagom Lite
.
.
msteelers 2 ---------- Lagom Lite, Unagi
Lagom Lite 1 ---------- msteelers
----------
----------
----------

Majority is: 4
Deadline is: Wednesday, June 22nd 8 PM Central

ChrisGrenard - executed-human
theohall - scalped
Isgrimnur - strangled-human
scoop - executed-Cylon
Newcastle - beaten to death
redrun - executed-human
bb2112 - knifed
tru1cy - executed-Cylon
Remus West - butchered
Grundbegriff - boom goes the dynamite
stessier - blown
LordMortis - executed-human
Chaosraven - extreme S&M

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:32 pm

1830

<Sound of Space Crickets>

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:41 pm

Lassr wrote:<Sound of Space Crickets ™>

FTFY

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:48 pm

msteelers wrote:How can I have played a "clean game", and yet be on the top of everyones list?

What's not to get. You understand chronology, right?

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:11 pm

I'm still a little torn. Lagom's behavior seems the most Cylonic to me. RMC and Semaj still scare me because of the sedation.

However, Chaos' death pointed me to msteelers and my read-through last week strengthened that belief. I looked again this afternoon, just to see if I would read things differently today. I didn't see anything to displace msteelers from the top of my list.

msteelers

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:43 pm

Dang it - I was going to post this and then got called away. But it still makes me chuckles, so I'm posting it despite it no longer being topical!

Lagom Lite wrote:Come on people... where is everyone?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:58 pm

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:59 pm

1 RMC ----------
2 pr0ner ----------
3 Qantaga ---------- msteelers
4 Unagi ---------- msteelers
5 Lagom Lite ---------- msteelers
6 semaj ----------
7 msteelers ---------- Lagom Lite
.
.
msteelers 3 ---------- Lagom Lite, Unagi, Qantaga
Lagom Lite 1 ---------- msteelers
----------
----------
----------

Majority is: 4
Deadline is: Wednesday, June 22nd 8 PM Central

ChrisGrenard - executed-human
theohall - scalped
Isgrimnur - strangled-human
scoop - executed-Cylon
Newcastle - beaten to death
redrun - executed-human
bb2112 - knifed
tru1cy - executed-Cylon
Remus West - butchered
Grundbegriff - boom goes the dynamite
stessier - blown
LordMortis - executed-human
Chaosraven - extreme S&M

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:06 pm

Had some things to do.. people ot see.. gonna run around the house for about 10 and then get back to frigging the depressing alcohol jokes

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:20 pm

I'm not sure I'm buying msteelers as evil.

I'm thinking one of LagomLite and Qantaga are, though. Qantaga reminds me so much of ChrisGrenard from last game.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:39 pm

i am starting to agree with pr0ner...

he's playing a very very slick evil if he is... Almost too slick.

Regardless

I sit down, and someone calls... wants to get food and well I am hungry... so I should be back in an hour or so... I'll try not to go someplace posh

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:56 pm

Semaj wrote:i am starting to agree with pr0ner...

Awesome, sir.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:23 pm

yeah we are completely screwed eh?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:41 pm

Semaj wrote:yeah we are completely screwed eh?

Depends. Are you more interested in following me, or Unagi?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:59 pm

WHo would you rather vote for?

I may have to make my own choice shortly... but my internet keeps crapping out during this storm

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:04 am

Honestly? Qantaga, due to that ChrisGrenard vibe.

You?

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:05 am

In fact, I'll put my money where my mouth is.

Qantaga

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:12 am

1 RMC ----------
2 pr0ner ---------- Qantaga
3 Qantaga ---------- msteelers
4 Unagi ---------- msteelers
5 Lagom Lite ---------- msteelers
6 semaj ----------
7 msteelers ---------- Lagom Lite
.
.
msteelers 3 ---------- Lagom Lite, Unagi, Qantaga
Lagom Lite 1 ---------- msteelers
Qantaga 1 ---------- Pr0ner
----------
----------

Majority is: 4
Deadline is: Wednesday, June 22nd 8 PM Central

ChrisGrenard - executed-human
theohall - scalped
Isgrimnur - strangled-human
scoop - executed-Cylon
Newcastle - beaten to death
redrun - executed-human
bb2112 - knifed
tru1cy - executed-Cylon
Remus West - butchered
Grundbegriff - boom goes the dynamite
stessier - blown
LordMortis - executed-human
Chaosraven - extreme S&M

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:49 am

OK Notes so far: Theo comes out at n-2...
Newcastle posts: bb112 gives me the heebie geebis
Theo posts
Remus posts
CG, Theo x2, UNagi, Theo, CR x2, Unagi x2, CR, Theo (a few from each back and forth), bb112... a buncha trusteds... proner, theo, lm, bb112,
stessier, a bunch more known t be goods...

Msteelers: I dont trust theo, he is probably lying
stuff
Msteelers: yes I say we let theohall live!

Here's my problem. I was pretty sure that theohall was evil when I voted for him. And theohall claimed Athena, which is exactly what I would expect an evil cylon to do when caught. So his claim just reinforced my belief that he is evil.

But for right now I will bow to the group, and withdraw theohall.

I see a lot of risks with keeping theohall alive, so if he gets close to being lynched again I will jump back on the train. I'm still not convinced on letting the day go by without a lynch though, but like Remus said I don't know if I can vote for Chris at this point.

NIce concept...

More writing

Q chimes in: Wow. An eventful day on the ship.

If theohall is telling the truth, we've gone into GT mode by outing our Seer on Day 1.

I never know how to read theo, so I keep bouncing back and forth between thinking he's lying and thinking he's telling the truth.

As for today's lynch, I went back and read through the thread again. I am still content with my vote on CG, mainly for his claiming to be a "bad player" and Lagom calling him on it.

Eventually RMC replies...
Withdraw Theo

Wow... Did not see that coming... If Theo is telling the truth, and why wouldn't he? It was after the train started, of which I am guilty of contributing too, and it would be a sacrifice because the real seer would have to expose himself to out Theo.... Which would happen eventually if not tonight...

I am not sure which way to go now.. I was so sure Theo was evil...

i finally get on about half a page later:
Withdraw theohall

bbbaaahhhhhh

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Noticable things:
1) LL is no where to be found
2) RMC was _Sure_ theo was evil
3) 2 non votes when CG is at 10: me and RMC
4) Tru1cy is the only known non cylon off the CG vote when he is at 10.

I think I noticed a bit of a back and forth between some cylons and Q on day 1... put in to make him seem less evil later?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:50 am

Sigh, internet has been crashing eveyr like 15 mins
lets see how long i can stay up this time

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:59 am

Redrun says this:
Newcastle is good.
I think Stessier is good.
I think Mr. Steelers might be good.
I want to think Unagi might be good, but sometimes I'm not so sure.
Scoop, like Unagi, keeps shifting sides of the line, but sorta tends toward good.

BB2112, ChaosRaven, LordMortis, & Qantaga do not seem evil.

Lagom seems evil. Very much so.

Isgrimner, Tru1cy, and RMC might be evil.

Ima pick on him later

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:02 am

My god I dont pay attention... ever...

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:08 am

Is it odd I think theo said a list of 3 or 4 people (me, RMC, LM, CG) and didnt scan a fing one of us...?

After this game is over, and if were all good

Ima pummel him.

right now Q is pinking my radar...

I could vote for RMC... Msteelers is kinda low on the radar (shock)

And man that semaj guy is a idjit.

LL is pretty much no where to be seen.

n page like 20.. twitch

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:13 am

Hey LL... what happened to you for 2 days?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:17 am

msteelers wrote:I normally don't put any stock into a proven guys threat list, but if we had looked at Unagi's and a couple of other players list in the last Mystery WW game we probably would have won. I'm willing to at least take a look and consider the options.

theohall wrote:CG, RMC, semaj, and LordMortis. That's my list for now. Took stessier off for obvious reasons. Don't have a 5th scan target, yet.
CG is dead and I'm not getting an evil vibe from semaj yet. But I could see myself voting for RMC, LM, or stessier even though he was taken off the list. I don't buy theohall's obvious reasons for taking him off the list. He claims that since stessier was arguing to let him live, it meant that he was innocent. I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. The cylons would have known instantly whether or not theohall was telling the truth, it was the rest of us that couldn't be sure. And RMC immediately believing theohall is a giant red flag to me.

My order of preference:
RMC
stessier
LordMortis

I think RMC was nervous because of the earlier suspicions thrown his way, and wanted to get on theohall's good side by publicly backing him and potentially avoiding a scan at night.

Also, something to think about. Unagi (now a proven human), put a vote on LordMortis after theohall's reveal yesterday when it was obvious theohall wasn't going to be lynched. If LM was the suicide bomber, he would have exploded right then and there. I think we can safely rule out LM as Doral, even if he remains a cylon suspect.

spicy

at least you contributed... not sure I agree with any of it

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:39 am

Anyways...

internet has been brutal tonight... dtopping every 5 mins... then up for 15, thn down repeatedly for a while.

Made reading 30 pages+ reall really difficult.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:57 am

Msteelers has been moving up the list...

But whats really telling to me is who isnt saying anything... for a extended peod of time...

Whats killing me right now is:
Msteelers:
On the surface, I really like bb2112's plan. It's counter-intuitive to think that we would want Starbuck to protect an evil player, but it protects our seer (getting us another scan!), AND it will tell us that whoever starbuck scanned is evil...

The problem with the plan is that there are too many unknowns. But I think the fact that starbuck can overrule the cylons night kill again should be talked about more, because it does give us a chance at theohall living through the night. We might not even need to all agree on a starbuck protection. If starbuck just agrees to protect someone that she thinks is a cylon instead of one of the proven, it gives her a chance to override the kill of theohall and let him get one more scan in.

This is assuming starbuck protected theohall last night (which I think the evidence indicates she did). Otherwise she'll just protect theohall tonight and then try to find a cylon the following night.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:28 am

Grund train:
Remus
pr0ner
UNagi
Tru1cy comments on being willing to vote fro grund
bb112
LL
Unagi promtpts Tru1cy who stalls
Then he votes and claims he will remove a vote at n-1
Redrun
Then unagi removes one and rags on tru1cy
Chaosraven
Msteeler balks on voting for grund
Q says he would vote for grund.. just not now

Scoop shoots theohall

shit hit fan. scoop train starts.. including a demand for helo to shoot scoop.
Scoop offes info to live

People point out the error of negotiation.

Chaosraven comes out.. says he is gonna shoot grund...

interestign bit...

I'd say until chaos shot isgrimnur instead of grund.. all was going well with us

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:31 am

page 43.. I am a post padder!

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:45 am

grund train 2:
bb112, LL, Chaosraven who laments him prolly going to asplode.
Tru1cy
Stess says there are better targets
Q agrees

Q posts a big hopping tablespoon of how Lagom i s less evil, redrun and bb112 are mroe evil and stess is the top of his list
grund starts stessier train, msteelers joins

Stessier comes out as zarek

remus and unagi vote grund

Remus removes his vote, jerk

pr0ner votes tru1cy who outs as starbuck

bb112 says: LIES!

Man those grund trains die quick

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:05 am

Rmc has a spiffy post about page 51:
Okay so I have been reading over everything, and both Grund and msteelers have kept pointing a finger at me, at times.

I am human, and I can guess that no one will take my word for it.

I guess my votes are in this order:

1) Grund
2) Tru1cy
3) msteelers

I only put grund first, as he has been out to get my blood. For whatever reason I believe BB and not Tru1cy. But both of them came out too soon in my eyes, but BB explained himself, and I did the same thing as Seer in the mini game. So I can understand why he did it the way he did.

I also want to point out, I can't access this forum to post from work, and I try to read everything every night and post at least a quick thought. But I would love to hear from redrun, or some of the others who are quiet as well.

So for my vote:

Grund

swoon...

Then Semaj went crazy

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:34 am

When I felt Q Was evil (same page 51) it felt like he was setting me up for future death.

I dunno it reeked of : i wont get you today, so lets set the groundwork for 2 days from now.

So I went a wee bit crazy and tried ot get myself lynched. He if I am not part of the solution I am part of the problem

no one really hops on.. sadly.. remus and pr0ner pick on me...

Q eventually hops on
then chaosraven and pr0ner hop on.
then msteelers

grund...AGAIN---goes after rmc...

train essentially dies a horrible death... I post why i did it (sounds better now than it did when I was doing it, I swear...

Tru1cy dies...

Grund train, part 3:
Stess, Unagi, pr0ner, LL, I chime in about needing to nap after working, KABOOM

this intrigues me. no really, it does.

ok i am more or less caught up now...

Thoughts: the grund trains provide me with some interesting thought.. grund rmc interaction is interesting...

I also can figure out who isnt on a team together, lol.

newer revised list:
either:
RMC
Quantaga
Msteelers
LL

oorrrrr
LL
Msteelers
Q
RMC

Yes I see the irony of flipped lists

But I am pretty sure either RMC or LL is a cylon.. I'm apt to think Q slightly over msteelers atm.

Interesting arguments now: LL vs Msteelers and RMC... RMC and Msteelers.....

Qantaga 2 ---------- Lagom Lite, LordMortis
LordMortis 1 ---------- pr0ner
semaj 1 ---------- LordMortis
msteelers 1 ---------- RMC

turns into:
Qantaga 2 ---------- Lagom Lite, LordMortis
LordMortis 2 ---------- pr0ner, Qantaga
msteelers 1 ---------- RMC

then
LordMortis 3 ---------- pr0ner, Qantaga, msteelers
Qantaga 2 ---------- Lagom Lite, LordMortis
msteelers 1 ---------- RMC

and me and LL finish it off.

We have how many misses left for sure? 2? or 1?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:41 am

must not convince mself Q and msteelers are in cahoots...

going to fail

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:16 am

Well I know I am human, and Msteelers is at the top of my list.

I see no reason not to vote for him now, but it is early and we have until 8pm.

When I come back from work, I will put my vote on Msteelers.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:41 am

Off to work until 7:00, then racquetball after, so I probably wont be able to post again until the day is over. I'm human and finishing the vote on me puts us one step closer to losing. I find it interesting that RMC makes a mistake, and I'm the cylon for calling him out on it.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:58 am

RMC wrote:Well I know I am human, and Msteelers is at the top of my list.

I see no reason not to vote for him now, but it is early and we have until 8pm.

When I come back from work, I will put my vote on Msteelers.

Really.

I mean... Wow.
What's to stop you from testing your #1 cylon candidate?

withdraw msteelers

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:01 am

Well well well. That's an interesting turn of events.