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pr0ner wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:12 pmJust stop.

• Buttigieg had the Nigerian supporter kerfuffle

• Bernie had someone jump on the mic at a Nevada rally to talk about him 'propping up dairy farms and animal agriculture'

• Bloomberg woke up the zombie idea that efforts to address redlining caused the financial crisis

• Klobuchar and Biden existed...maybe?

• Warren lost her voice but soldiered on the campaign trail in Reno

• The President did a lap around the Daytona 500 and then had Airforce One buzz the race field

malchior wrote:The President did a lap around the Daytona 500 and then had Airforce One buzz the race field

YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:01 am

malchior wrote:The President did a lap around the Daytona 500 and then had Airforce One buzz the race field

From the way my FB feed exploded you would have thought Trump had solved the Middle East crisis and cured cancer by crawling around a race track in a limo.

Simple minds are easily amused I guess. And nothing says Trump like pandering to a bunch of NASCAR fans.

Kraken wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:39 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:01 am

malchior wrote:The President did a lap around the Daytona 500 and then had Airforce One buzz the race field

From the way my FB feed exploded you would have thought Trump had solved the Middle East crisis and cured cancer by crawling around a race track in a limo.

Simple minds are easily amused I guess. And nothing says Trump like pandering to a bunch of NASCAR fans.

Is the Daytona 500 NASCAR, or is all of auto racing MAGA turf?

Defiant wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:49 pm

malchior wrote:The President did a lap around the Daytona 500 and then had Airforce One buzz the race field

Drazzil wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:21 pm Any Bernie supporters here? Did you guys all get the debate survey? Maybe its because I actually said "Go Bernie/Warren?" in my donation message? I only donated around 17 dollars to in five donations to Bernie so he *cant* be courting me as a larger donor.

Defiant wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:38 am

Every night now in America, at kitchen tables, people are staring at presidential primary ballots and deciding the future of this country, the future of the rule of law, deciding what it means to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and who is the best person to do that, as the presidential Oath of Office swears the President to do.

And the Democratic presidential primary - what makes this the most difficult choice for voters, according to polls - is not sorting out the complexity of the candidates' policy proposals, it's not that. That's not what weighs most heavily on voters, as they stare at their ballots, according to what they are telling pollsters. The number one issue, according to polling among Democratic presidential primary voters - number one is beating Donald Trump. That's the most important thing: getting Donald Trump, and his children, and Steven Miller, and Trumpism out of the White House. And Democratic presidential primary voters are right to concentrate on that first of all, because that in and of itself would be a huge governing accomplishment.

Political campaigns always get caught up in the policy proposals of the candidates and never emphasize enough the other side of our politics, which is equally important. The two sides of our politics are - what you are in favor of, and equally importantly, what you are opposed to, what you will prevent from happening. Sometimes the most important thing you can do in political office is to simply stop a bad thing from happening. The most important thing that John McCain did in his entire political career - his entire 31-year career in the U.S. Senate - the most important thing he did was not push through a John McCain policy proposal and get it passed into law. The most important thing Sen. John McCain ever did was say "no". He said "no" at 1:29 in the morning - that's when John McCain turned his thumb down and voted "no" on the repeal of Obamacare in the U.S. Senate. He voted "no" to ripping healthcare away from millions of Americans.

That's what the next Democrat president will be doing to all things Trump - saying "no". Saying no more Trumpism, no more Trump nominations to the U.S. Supreme Court, no more federal judges appointed, who don't even meet the minimum standard set by the American Bar Association. No more budget-busting corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the rich. No more threats to take your healthcare away - millions of people's healthcare away. No more babies in cages, no more Muslim bans, no more celebrating with Russian ambassadors over a fired FBI director. No more rage tweeting at football players, no more tweeting at the Attorney General to lower a sentencing recommendation for the President's convicted felon friends, no more of that. No more idiotic childish behavior with the murderous North Korean dictator. No more non-stop pathological lying, day in and day out, by the President of the United States. Just think about what one day in America would be with no more of that.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg of Trumpism that would be instantly banished from the White House, if a Democrat takes the Oath of Office at the next presidential inauguration. Voters are very right to say that that is the most important thing weighing their vote. And they are doubly right if Mitch McConnell remains the majority leader of the U.S. Senate, because not one legislative proposal of any of the Democrats running for President has a chance of becoming law, if Mitch McConnell is still in place in the U.S. Senate. Every single Democrat running for President - including billionaire Mike Bloomberg - has a much more progressive tax policy than President Obama or President Bill Clinton before him. And not one sentence of Democrat tax policy will become law if Mitch McConnell is still the majority leader of the Senate next year. Every one of the Democratic candidates for President has a more progressive healthcare policy than Obamacare, but none of that can become law if Mitch McConnell still controls the Senate, and voters know that. And so most voters are not working very hard to sort out the differences between candidates' complex legislative proposals, because they know that a Democrat president will sign into law whatever Nancy Pelosi can pass in the House of Representatives, which will only matter if the Democrats manage to win control of the United States Senate.

gilraen wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:08 am This is the opening segment of The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell on Monday.

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:47 am Can someone explain to me why both the new Emerson and NBC/WSJ polls have left Warren off the head-to-head matchup against Trump? There's been lots of Twitter gnashing of teeth about the MSM canceling out Warren and I thought it was generally pretty silly, but these polls seems to indicate there might actually be something going on here. Warren is nationally out-polling Klobuchar and Pete, yet they both get asked about in the survey and she doesn't? WTH?

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:54 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:47 am Can someone explain to me why both the new Emerson and NBC/WSJ polls have left Warren off the head-to-head matchup against Trump? There's been lots of Twitter gnashing of teeth about the MSM canceling out Warren and I thought it was generally pretty silly, but these polls seems to indicate there might actually be something going on here. Warren is nationally out-polling Klobuchar and Pete, yet they both get asked about in the survey and she doesn't? WTH?

FWIW I didn't think it was silly. Most of the media are counting her for dead because she performed so badly even in Boston suburbs she should have won.

Peter Hart, a pollster who works for the firm that conducted the survey, defended the decision on Monday to place Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) in a head-to-head match-up against the president, but exclude the Massachusetts senator.

“Amy Klobuchar was selected as the fifth candidate,” Hart told BuzzFeed News. “We have tested Warren earlier, and I suspect she will be part of the next testing.”

gilraen wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:00 pm Don't know about Emerson, but NBC or WSJ don't conduct their own polls. It was at the discretion of the polling firm that provides them with results, who said that the survey only had room for 5 candidates.

malchior wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:54 am The media has so much influence on who is in the running simply because they keep the name alive in people's mind and they've decided she isn't in the race anymore. So poof...she is mostly gone. Ask Corey Booker about it. Biden literally stole all his oxygen.

Fireball wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:36 pm A primary that comes down to right-wing former New York mayor Bloomberg and the deeply dishonest and surrounded-by-awful-people Sanders is basically my nightmare.

Drazzil wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:05 am

Defiant wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:38 am

One of the costs of not having a "professional" at the helm... Oy vey!

El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:16 pm The thing that bothers me most about Sanders is not him but the people he seems to surround himself with.

A majority of voters are open to reelecting President Trump in 2020, up from a year ago, according to a new Hill/HarrisX poll.

The Feb. 14-15 survey found 62 percent of registered voters said they are open to voting for Trump in 2020 while 38 percent said they would never vote for the incumbent. By comparison, when this survey was taken a year ago in March 2019, 54 percent of voters were open to reelecting Trump while 46 percent said they would never vote for the President.

If there is a way to stop -- or at least slow -- Sanders, most Democratic insiders are convinced it's this: Former President Barack Obama and former First Lady Michelle Obama get behind an alternative candidate to the Vermont senator. Not only that, but the Obamas make their endorsements soon -- like pre-Super Tuesday -- and they urge all of the other candidates to get out of the race ASAP.

Why might this work? Because the Obamas are hugely popular figures among Democrats -- especially African-Americans, who would be the first building block of any candidate trying to build a coalition to beat Sanders. Obama left office in early 2017 with 6 in 10 Americans approving of the job he did as president, and those numbers have only improved since -- as people forget what they didn't like about his presidency and remember the good times.

The problem for the anti-Sanders forces in the party? There's zero evidence to suggest that either Obama is interested in wading into the current morass in order to keep the nomination from Sanders.

pr0ner wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:10 pm Did Trump just endorse Mayor Pete?

Biden says Kamala Harris fits the bill for Vice President.

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:14 pm Oh boy, talk about complicating things

Biden says Kamala Harris fits the bill for Vice President.