Simple Werewolf Game - Game over.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:04 pm

Oops, Sorry newcastle. I just saw your previous post. I think even if we clear ONE person it would help immensely.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:21 pm

Holman wrote:In retrospect, Lagom's behavior seems too obvious for a wolf. I'm not sure why he felt so certain on Vorret, but it was too out in the open.

I wasn't really certain on Vorret, but I felt he was a good lynch target. I was obviously dead wrong.

We now have two vote trains to pick apart, but we have to entertain the thought that no wolves were on one (or neither) train. But, that could be exactly what the wolves wants us to think.

I still think the Day 1 purge train contains at least one wolf, as do the Day 2 train. It's simply too unusual to get a squad of innocents to agree on a non-wolf lynch.

I'd like the Seer to step forward today.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:44 pm

I agree that if the Seer is alive they should come forward.

Newcastle tops my list because he comes across as an overly helpful villager and is too shocked (shocked I tell you!) about last night's wolf kill.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:52 pm

Moliere wrote:I agree that if the Seer is alive they should come forward.

Newcastle tops my list because he comes across as an overly helpful villager and is too shocked (shocked I tell you!) about last night's wolf kill.

So is your motto 1 villager at a time? Cant come up with more than 1 suspect? have to focus on 1? You DO KNOW there are 2 wolves here right?

And why doesn't it surprise you that lassr is knocked off? Oh that's right, because you probably called that one in.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:05 pm

Newcastle wrote:And why doesn't it surprise you that lassr is knocked off?

Because he was never a primary wolf suspect. It makes sense for the wolves to keep alive all of those that have been heavily suspected of being wolves. That way the villagers can be easily outraged against them the next day.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:09 pm

I want to test tru1cy, WarPig, Lagom, and distant fourth Brewcastle.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:07 pm

Seer should step forward if still alive as we're at the critical point in the game

Also, please hold your votes until we get a consensus before we all vote for scoop

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:10 pm

So is WarPig Seer?

WarPig · Post by **WarPig** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:20 pm

I would feel horrible for my sparse communications if I was the seer, not contributing at all. Alas, I'm as in the dark as everyone else so far.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:18 pm

And, because there appears to be a consensus for revelation: I am the seer. This is my first time in the role, so I doubt I've been a particularly effective one. i certainly haven't been lucky.

On night 1 I scanned Vorret. He was human, but you guys decided to kill him over my protests. It seemed too early to out myself.

On night 2 I scanned Lagom Lite. He is also human.

So we have two live trusteds: me and Lagom. Presumably I will be eaten tonight.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:55 pm

Holman wrote:And, because there appears to be a consensus for revelation: I am the seer. This is my first time in the role, so I doubt I've been a particularly effective one. i certainly haven't been lucky.

On night 1 I scanned Vorret. He was human, but you guys decided to kill him over my protests. It seemed too early to out myself.

On night 2 I scanned Lagom Lite. He is also human.

So we have two live trusteds: me and Lagom. Presumably I will be eaten tonight.

You'd better be.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:58 pm

K assuming people wants to give Holman the benefit of the doubt, I'm going to recline for a bit and watch the conversation. And look at some history, take notes and such. I've tried leading villages as a known before, it rarely works out.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:02 pm

SWEET!

I was so worried our Seer was already dead.

So......

3) Scoop90210 - Human (only I know this I know!!!)
4) Moliere - unknown
5) tru1cy - unknown
6) Newcastle - unknown
7) Holman - Claimed Seer
8) WarPig - unknown
10) Lagom Lite - Claimed Human by possible Seer

That gives me a 2 in 4 shot. Much much better.

Now do Holman and Lagom have the balls to fake hoping the Seer is already dead? Anyone want to protest this Seer outing?

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:05 pm

Holman wrote:On night 1 I scanned Vorret. He was human, but you guys decided to kill him over my protests. It seemed too early to out myself.

Always an interesting gamble in how hard you want to defend a known innocent. To me it came across as a wolf protecting another wolf. It is too bad we don't have a hunter to play off against the night kill. That always makes for an interesting guessing game about who to protect.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:11 pm

Moliere wrote:
Holman wrote:On night 1 I scanned Vorret. He was human, but you guys decided to kill him over my protests. It seemed too early to out myself.
Always an interesting gamble in how hard you want to defend a known innocent. To me it came across as a wolf protecting another wolf. It is too bad we don't have a hunter to play off against the night kill. That always makes for an interesting guessing game about who to protect.

I had them paired together too. Actually, if he had came out yesterday then most likely I would be dead and we wouldn't have the Lagom scan. Good thing you didn't. That is if you believe I am human.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:23 pm

All I can offer as proof of claim is the pivot I made after scanning Vorret (having voted for him earlier) and the similar pivot I began to make after scanning Lagom.

Me before scanning Lagom:

This post has really stuck with me. LL, please explain how we could find out about Newcastle by lynching Moliere. How does that work?

Maybe there's an insight you haven't shared. If not, it really looks like you started flattering Newcastle right after he announced that you had "rocketed up his suspect list."

In addition to Scoop, I'm suspicious of Lagom Lite. He has seemed to be in sync with Scoop at points where it would benefit wolves to (a) not be on the same train and (b) cast suspicion on the same third party.

I still believe Scoop is our best shot at a wolf. I think Lagom may be his partner. I'm not 100% sure on either, especially in a game where so many have said so little, but they've presented to only truly wolfie behavior I can see.

Me after scanning Lagom:

In retrospect, Lagom's behavior seems too obvious for a wolf. I'm not sure why he felt so certain on Vorret, but it was too out in the open.

I was planning to work that angle today and try to keep him alive.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:37 pm

Does anyone want to counter that? I'll lean toward believing him for now.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:16 am

holman why didn't you scan scoop?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:13 am

tru1cy wrote:holman why didn't you scan scoop?

At the time I sent the message, I assumed that we would kill Scoop today and that a scan would be redundant. I wanted to cast a wide net.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:22 am

Can we get everyone's threat list please?

3) Scoop90210 -
4) Moliere -
5) tru1cy -
6) Newcastle -
8) WarPig -

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:26 am

Mine:

3) Scoop90210 - Human
4) Moliere - Was the subject of the first real bandwagon and I thought he handled it well. I read Human.
5) tru1cy - I now read him as a wolf. Especially how he laid that last vote for Vorret. Not damning but opportunistic to say the least.
6) Newcastle - Brewcastle gives me pause because of the way tru1cy interacted with him on my bandwagon.
8) WarPig - Has been AFK for most of the game for a good reason but it makes him also an intolerable threat to skate by by flying under the radar. I'd vote for him after tru1cy.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:39 am

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Holman wrote:
tru1cy wrote:holman why didn't you scan scoop?
At the time I sent the message, I assumed that we would kill Scoop today and that a scan would be redundant. I wanted to cast a wide net.

That's a veteran move... totally goes against your claim of being ineffective, but I will give you a pass cause of your vigorous defense Vorret. I'm close to voting for scoop

His bull in the china shop routine has run it course

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:46 am

Scoop90210 - Still very suspicious, now suddenly playing sane. Sometimes crazy erratic behavior *is* a sign of lycanthropy, especially when it drives a train.
Moliere - Hard to say. I suspected him early and might still.
tru1cy - Weird little dance at the end of the Vorret train accomplished the kill after a feint at Scoop.
Newcastle - Could be playing the wolf executive, hiding behind dispassionate analysis.
WarPig - Jumped on the Vorret train without giving a reason other than piggybacking on Scoop.

I kind of wish I had tested Scoop, but I thought it would be a waste. Maybe we should just lynch him and see what we learn.

If Scoop is a wolf, I believe that clears Moliere (whom Scoop seemed genuinely ready to lynch during his "fishing expedition") and Newcastle (who seemed more than ready to scoop Scoop yesterday).

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:56 am

Holman wrote:Scoop90210 - Still very suspicious, now suddenly playing sane. Sometimes crazy erratic behavior *is* a sign of lycanthropy, especially when it drives a train.

I've been sane the whole time.

Holman wrote:If Scoop is a wolf, I believe that clears Moliere (whom Scoop seemed genuinely ready to lynch during his "fishing expedition") and Newcastle (who seemed more than ready to scoop Scoop yesterday).

The Moliere bandwagon was a test on him (and he handled himself fairly well) and to see how others reacted (fishing for info). I even left Moliere at N-1 for a little bit to see if we could get a wolf bite before pulling my vote. Interestingly, tru1cy wasn't around for that period of time. i wonder if he would have jumped on that vote too?

Hopefully, voting for me should lead you to tru1cy and either WarPig or brewcastle. Not that you will be around to do anything. Today's your last chance to get a wolf Holman. Don't waste it.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:22 am

Since I am trusted and marked for death, nothing I say towards today's lynch will be very helpful in retrospect. I should let you all decide the vote so that there is more data to sift tomorrow.

Perhaps I shouldn't even vote? What do people villagers think?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:23 am

Holman wrote:Since I am trusted and marked for death, nothing I say towards today's lynch will be very helpful in retrospect. I should let you all decide the vote so that there is more data to sift tomorrow.

Perhaps I shouldn't even vote? What do people villagers think?

You should definitely vote and you are not technically trusted. I believe your claim however.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:23 am

Holman wrote:Since I am trusted and marked for death, nothing I say towards today's lynch will be very helpful in retrospect. I should let you all decide the vote so that there is more data to sift tomorrow.

Perhaps I shouldn't even vote? What do people villagers think?

A. you arent trusted yet. We have a few people still to chime in to either counter or decline. After that.....

b. ifno one counter claims and you're as proven as possible...i'd wait, and really let the rest of the village discuss all this. Because in essence you and lagom know 1 less piece of information than the rest of us. YOu shuold absolutely vote, just wait a bit to let the rest of village discuss and such.

c. If there's a counterclaim...well..then it gets fun.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:33 am

Scoop20906 wrote:Can we get everyone's threat list please?
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gee where have i heard that before?

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:36 am

Holman wrote:Since I am trusted and marked for death, nothing I say towards today's lynch will be very helpful in retrospect. I should let you all decide the vote so that there is more data to sift tomorrow.

Perhaps I shouldn't even vote? What do people villagers think?

You need to vote as you're far from a trusted seer. Really only way you will be trusted is by lynch or wolves killing you. So you and Lagom will need to vote

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:37 am

Btw, Holman, since I must have missed it why didn't you scan the people you scanned? Also, why no scan of Moliere?

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:38 am

tru1cy wrote:Btw, Holman, since I must have missed it why did you scan the people you scanned? Also, why no scan of Moliere?

ftfy

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:49 am

I scanned Vorret on night 1 because I was suspicious of him and we went for Purge.

I scanned LL because I suspected that he might be a wolf either (a) in league with wolf Scoop or (b) encouraging a villager Scoop to kill Vorret. I just couldn't see any genuine motivation to go after Vorret.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:51 am

Oh, and Moliere: I've only had two nights.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:31 am

while we're waiting on Warpig to counter/pass on the Holman seer claim...i'm just gonna say if this is true...this really etch-a-sketchs my world view here. IF holman is true, that means 2 of my top 3 suspects have been proven and i need to rethink my whole assumption here. I was so sure in that lassr, lagom and scoop pool we'd find our pair of wolves....now at best there's one.

i'll drop a list later. I really want to think things through because in all honesty i see very few reasons supporting reasons for believing in the remaining people's humanity and more reasons to believe they're wolves and that makes it so much tougher...and i guess easier with the suspect pool dropped by 2 (yeah, am believing holman than any claim warpig can juice up).

I love how when i write my thoughts down, they seem to crystalize and makes me see things a bit better...funny how that works.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:07 am

With Vorret found innocent means Newcastle gets bumped from #2 to #1 on my suspect list. Scoop takes over the #2 spot for no other reason than I don't know who else to name.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:13 am

WarPig wrote:I would feel horrible for my sparse communications if I was the seer, not contributing at all. Alas, I'm as in the dark as everyone else so far.

appears he's claiming to not be the seer

Newcastle wrote:while we're waiting on Warpig to counter/pass on the Holman seer claim...i'm just gonna say if this is true...this really etch-a-sketchs my world view here..

So did you miss it?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:30 am

Moliere wrote:With Vorret found innocent means Newcastle gets bumped from #2 to #1 on my suspect list. Scoop takes over the #2 spot for no other reason than I don't know who else to name.

Uhhhh, tru1cy?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:35 am

Moliere wrote:With Vorret found innocent means Newcastle gets bumped from #2 to #1 on my suspect list. Scoop takes over the #2 spot for no other reason than I don't know who else to name.

hard to come up with two suspects isn't mr. 1 villager-at-a-time?

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:37 am

tru1cy wrote:
WarPig wrote:I would feel horrible for my sparse communications if I was the seer, not contributing at all. Alas, I'm as in the dark as everyone else so far.
appears he's claiming to not be the seer

Newcastle wrote:while we're waiting on Warpig to counter/pass on the Holman seer claim...i'm just gonna say if this is true...this really etch-a-sketchs my world view here..
So did you miss it?

you mean warpigs post above holmans saying he's not seer and stuff...no i didn't...but he's not commented on holman's revelation...so until that happens i'm keeping the avenue of a potential spoof open. Just the way i operate truicy...possibilities are there until they're shut down 100%

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:39 am

Newcastle wrote:
Moliere wrote:With Vorret found innocent means Newcastle gets bumped from #2 to #1 on my suspect list. Scoop takes over the #2 spot for no other reason than I don't know who else to name.
hard to come up with two suspects isn't mr. 1 villager-at-a-time?

Yes. Being right about Purge and wrong about Vorret and Holman makes me lynch shy.