Octopus Overlords

Chaosraven wrote:Let's see, remus takes someone with him... Same number of people die that day, bond still has shot. Remus could have taken out Q or (random). 100% chance either way of taking out MI6 with explosion. Fast forward to Unagi shooting (random) player at some point. Chance of hitting MI6? X out of X+2. Unagi died because he was proven Bond. He could be here now instead of me, with 5 people to choose from, at 60% of shooting the wrong guy. My paranoid concern that day was Q as fake is Zao, offers PlayerX (remus) to draw out Bondshot. BOND SHOOTS MI6, zao(qnataga) is lynched, taking out another MI6 when he explodes, and spectre kills real Q who contests. Would have been good play for spectre.

Lagom Lite wrote:So it's two camps are forming? Lagom+Msteelers or Isgrimnur+Chaosraven basically?

You know where I stand on that. Yes, my early Chaosraven vote was stupid. Not because it's a vote for Chaosraven, but because it was too early, and apparently Spectreraven has decided to wield it as a sort of weapon against me now.

Wake me up when you've decided.

Lagom Lite wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Lagom Lite wrote:

Unagi wrote:So... No one wants to join me on msteelers for pretending to go to random.org for his vote?

I mean, seriously ask yourself... I know I've (we've) mused about doing it - but does anyone really give up their free will and hand their Day 1 choice over to random.org ?

Yeah, man. That's just weird stuff.

 msteelers 
 

I've used random.org for my vote on the 1st day and I was a good guys at the time.

Something about this post doesn't feel right though. Is it msteelers' use of random.org, is it Unagi pointing it out, or Lagom's quick jump on the vote?

 withdraw Qantaga 
 
-got nothing out of that vote.

let's try

 Lagom Lite 
 

Yeah yeah, go for the obvious. There's like, oh, twenty-two other agents wanting to kill me. Don't do it, you'll miss me!

Lassr wrote:this is what I found interesting; you guys keep saying theohall didn't say anything before he was lynched but he left a huge clue and no one seemed to notice or ignored it on purpose.

theohall wrote:And now I have to go to work, so mark me for death if you must, but you will be losing a member of the good guys who could actually help you learn things. Too bad I cannot prove this nor will I be given the opportunity.

No one wanted to discuss this bit of info...at least none of the ones that were here this morning.

but msteeler cast the deciding vote and wrote this:

msteelers wrote: So here's what I know:

• Theohall did something to get Grund's attention.
• Grund's intuition is ridiculous in these games.
• Theohall would have claimed to be a special already if he was one, since he's posted multiple times while at N-1.

I do agree that theohall's action since Grund's accusation lead me to believe he is evil and the special comment may be an attempt to save himself but I thought it would be worth discussing, especially since Grund has admitted numerous times that his radar sometimes catches good specials instead of bad guys.

Lagom Lite wrote:

msteelers wrote:You guys do all realize that even Q could not be certain of someones status on Day 1, right? That he didn't get a scan until AFTER Theohall was killed?

So there is no possible way for Bubbles to know for certain that Remus was guilty, or for stessier to know that grund was evil.

No, I didn't realize that.

Lassr wrote:

Lagom Lite wrote:Yeah yeah, go for the obvious. There's like, oh, twenty-two other agents wanting to kill me. Don't do it, you'll miss me!

making notes as I search the thread:

at the time he posted that last sentence I wondered if he was trying to drop a subtle hint that he was special. Now we know he is not. Evil making an attempt to stop a train from forming on him?

Chaosraven wrote:I think we will need to come to a nonvoting consensus before we vote. Trying to draw the wolves out with a vote will not work at One, as a wolfpile will not occur. Attempting to do so with Two votes will cost us the game if the Target is any NonWolf. If we mix and match our Two Wolves suspicion we can discuss what we are willing to do.

Lassr wrote:

Lassr wrote:this is what I found interesting; you guys keep saying theohall didn't say anything before he was lynched but he left a huge clue and no one seemed to notice or ignored it on purpose.

theohall wrote:And now I have to go to work, so mark me for death if you must, but you will be losing a member of the good guys who could actually help you learn things. Too bad I cannot prove this nor will I be given the opportunity.

No one wanted to discuss this bit of info...at least none of the ones that were here this morning.

but msteeler cast the deciding vote and wrote this:

msteelers wrote: So here's what I know:

• Theohall did something to get Grund's attention.
• Grund's intuition is ridiculous in these games.
• Theohall would have claimed to be a special already if he was one, since he's posted multiple times while at N-1.

I do agree that theohall's action since Grund's accusation lead me to believe he is evil and the special comment may be an attempt to save himself but I thought it would be worth discussing, especially since Grund has admitted numerous times that his radar sometimes catches good specials instead of bad guys.

Lagom Lite and msteeler were both active after theohall dropped the hint that he was special. Neither one brought it up, like they were hoping to hide it amongst all their posts.

Unagi wrote:

Remus West wrote:Oh, and can't read him so kill him.
 Lagom Lite 
 

Does Remus like to vote for a partner, right out of the gate? Not particularly, from my recolection - I'd be open to any counter evidence.

Lagom Lite wrote:Regarding msteelers: With the caveat of not having played with him before, it just seems unlikely to me that a wolf would be so cander. The fact that there is "hard evidence" against him is the very thing that makes me doubt he's a bad guy after all. He says things and doesn't blink. I even tried insulting him and he didn't even flinch (sorry msteelers! Part of the game, y'know? ) If msteelers is a wolf he's actually a very good liar.

But I'm trying to teach myself Occam's razor to these games. If it smells like a wolf... I know what to think of msteelers after Grund is dead. Do you need reasons to lynch Grund?

He is:
* Not helping
* Cautious
* Pursuing a lynch against his intuition

This is not the Grund I know. And stessier may be a wolf, I could even see a Grund + stessier wolf pairing - risky, but it's there.

Lassr wrote:

Lagom Lite wrote:Regarding msteelers: With the caveat of not having played with him before, it just seems unlikely to me that a wolf would be so cander. The fact that there is "hard evidence" against him is the very thing that makes me doubt he's a bad guy after all. He says things and doesn't blink. I even tried insulting him and he didn't even flinch (sorry msteelers! Part of the game, y'know? ) If msteelers is a wolf he's actually a very good liar.
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and this is exactly what's bothering me about my msteeler infatuation. He's sticking to his guns, not wavering even when there is evil evidence against him. I find I keep talking myself out of msteeler is a bad guy but as you said Occam's Razor.

One of the reasons I chose to go the Grund route.

I don't like Isgrimnur's silence and tendency to pop up when his name is called out (Isgrimnur, Isgrimnur, Isgrimnur) and Chaos' silence is really unusual (has he ever been THIS quiet?)

Lassr wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:What, what, what?

I going to start calling you CandyMan....he was evil also you know.

Lassr wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:What, what, what?

I going to start calling you CandyMan....he was evil also you know.

Isgrimnur pops in right after my post referenced above answering the Candyman Lovecraftian call of Isgrimnur, Isgrimnur, Isgrimnur.

Reading and watching but not participating...

Chaosraven wrote:My two are msteelers and lagom lite. I have isgrimnur after those two, lessened as I had him attached to stessier.

Lassr wrote:

Lassr wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:What, what, what?

I going to start calling you CandyMan....he was evil also you know.

Isgrimnur pops in right after my post referenced above answering the Candyman call of Isgrimnur, Isgrimnur, Isgrimnur.

Reading and watching but not participating...

Unagi wrote:

Lagom Lite wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:Since I'm already on your threat list and don't care for your phrasing, I'll go with  Lagom Lite 
 

Lynching me is a miss, I'm afraid.

Why tell him? Isn't your running theory that he knows you are a miss? Wow Lagom. Damn.

Semaj wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:I'm down with  Lassr 
 
today as long as we're going with steelers tomorrow if it's a miss.

trying to die today?

Thats aboot as wolfish as I can forsee.

Semaj wrote:

Isgrimnur wrote:Since I'm already on your threat list and don't care for your phrasing, I'll go with  Lagom Lite 
 

Starts off ye old voting

The second a vote hops on lassr

Isgrimnur wrote:I'm down with  Lassr 
 
today as long as we're going with steelers tomorrow if it's a miss.

So now you have named/voted for _3_ people

Lagom for not liking the cut of his jib... Lassr because... um... um... i guess in theory no reaosn is needed? and then you say Steelers tomorrow.

Nope, cant fathom how this looks evil

Not at all, Newp, nein, nyet, nadda....

Unagi wrote:Isgrimnur, if we are to just ignore your described style of play - what's to stop a wolf from just always picking someone elses 'bad vote' and blaming them the next day for it ?

Free will. Put Your vote where You want it.

Lassr wrote:At this point I think I am down for voting for either of those.

semaj's seems good to me and if he's the wolf then kudos. Chaos...well, I just don't know, he's been more quiet than usual...feels almost pr0ner like this game. If he's a wolf then 'Booooo!"

Lassr wrote:Lynch or Shoot Remus:

the argument for lynching was in case Qaataga was Spectre and then could be shot by Bond the next day.
But either path meant that if we kept hitting innocents we would be in the exact same position due to the way the numbers worked out (with either 6 or 5 players on the last day). It offered no advantage over shooting Remus. We would be in the exact same position. With a must lynch or shot by day 2 after the Remus reveal. So if there is no advantage one way or the other then why not use Bond for what he was meant for and that is shooting Jaws. Even if he turned out not to be Jaws then 2 days later we still would have had the exact same situation assuming we kept hitting innocents.

msteelers wrote: I would like to vote for chaosraven.

Lassr wrote:So your feeling is to take a chance on the quiet one.

msteelers wrote:

Lassr wrote:So your feeling is to take a chance on the quiet one.

Not exactly.

Semaj wrote:oddly, to be suspicious of me is like bing suspicious of..I got nothing... much like anyone who scours my posts looking for wolfness.

You gave a list fo 3 people, pretty much the only people it could be if your good. You haven't really done much analyzing or anything. You've kept your posts small. You are pretty much not posting and not participating. I mean I can understand work sometimes, and whanot, but this is just plain silly. Either your a wolf and avoidinng the spotlight in case your compatriot gets caught, or... you need to be noogied for just no-showing at such a crucial time.

While I can accept your thoughts on who is evil might differ from mine, I cant stand no explanation of why.

I'ts probably Chaos and Isg guys

Lassr wrote:I'm leaning Isgrimnur, you guys leaning Chaosraven?

Lassr wrote:I'm leaning Isgrimnur, you guys leaning Chaosraven?