Captain Caveman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:30 pm
Okay, but what's the rationale for erasing the digital records? Without them you might not be able to confirm that they correctly tabulated the paper ballots. The paper ballots themselves are not counted... they're fed into the machine for tabulation.
I don't know. But presumably as long as you have the paper ballots you have the option of a hand recount if there's some indication of wrongdoing. The suspicion (I assume) is that the deletion of digital records may be one way to avoid producing or having any 'indication of wrongdoing' that would create pressure for a hand recount.
It doesn't look good to be sure. I'm just saying that it's good that the paper ballots will be preserved. There are some states (like Pennsylvania) where they use digital voting machines with no paper ballots, where there's (as I understand it) no real way to do a recount, which is terrifying.
So, we'll see what happens tonight. After I head home at 5:30, going to stay offline until late, until there are hopefully some definitive results. Realistically until the NY Times app buzzes me with more definitive information.
In some ways this is a win-win, in that either the democrats get an unexpected pickup, or the Republicans get a Roy Moore sized anchor around them heading into 2018.
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
I'm confused. Why do you think this is noteworthy?
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
Yeah. Why in the world would we be interested in the election of a racist pedophile bigot? In the total collapse of norms? In the death of the GOP, especially since what is replacing it is so much worse for the Republic?
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
And for a guy so heavily invested in “individual liberty”, you seem awfully unconcerned about a electing a guy whose stated goal is to turn the country into a Christian theocracy.
When darkness veils the world, four Warriors of Light shall come.
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
And for a guy so heavily invested in “individual liberty”, you seem awfully unconcerned about a electing a guy whose stated goal is to turn the country into a Christian theocracy.
That might come into play if his opponent was some champion of individual liberty. But he is not, far from it.
“A simple democracy is the devil’s own government.”
— Benjamin Rush --
Holman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:08 pm
Nate Silver just tweeted about widespread reports of high turnout.
This probably helps Jones, but it's all a question of how much is enough,
If you're referring to this, while it's hard to tell, I'm pretty sure that he's just making fun of election commentators here. E.g., "Wow, I'm getting lots of reports confirming what I already believed / expected / predicted."
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
And for a guy so heavily invested in “individual liberty”, you seem awfully unconcerned about a electing a guy whose stated goal is to turn the country into a Christian theocracy.
That might come into play if his opponent was some champion of individual liberty. But he is not, far from it.
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
And for a guy so heavily invested in “individual liberty”, you seem awfully unconcerned about a electing a guy whose stated goal is to turn the country into a Christian theocracy.
That might come into play if his opponent was some champion of individual liberty. But he is not, far from it.
Compared to Roy Moore? Yeah, he is.
Yea, what positions of his are at the forefront of individual liberty? Gun restrictions? Mandated healthcare?
About the only individual liberty that I can think of he supports is the right to kill your unborn babies. Beyond that he is a pure nanny stater.
If anything I would write in Ron Bishop.
“A simple democracy is the devil’s own government.”
— Benjamin Rush --
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
And for a guy so heavily invested in “individual liberty”, you seem awfully unconcerned about a electing a guy whose stated goal is to turn the country into a Christian theocracy.
That might come into play if his opponent was some champion of individual liberty. But he is not, far from it.
Compared to Roy Moore? Yeah, he is.
Yea, what positions of his are at the forefront of individual liberty? Gun restrictions? Mandated healthcare?
About the only individual liberty that I can think of he supports is the right to kill your unborn babies. Beyond that he is a pure nanny stater.
The right of women to hold elected office? The right to not have the state impose an official religion on an individual? Jones doesn't need to be at the forefront of individual liberty - he just needs to not be a regressive theocratic redneck asshole to put him miles ahead of Roy Moore..
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
And for a guy so heavily invested in “individual liberty”, you seem awfully unconcerned about a electing a guy whose stated goal is to turn the country into a Christian theocracy.
That might come into play if his opponent was some champion of individual liberty. But he is not, far from it.
Compared to Roy Moore? Yeah, he is.
Yea, what positions of his are at the forefront of individual liberty? Gun restrictions? Mandated healthcare?
About the only individual liberty that I can think of he supports is the right to kill your unborn babies. Beyond that he is a pure nanny stater.
The right of women to hold elected office? The right to not have the state impose an official religion on an individual? Jones doesn't need to be at the forefront of individual liberty - he just needs to not be a regressive theocratic redneck asshole to put him miles ahead of Roy Moore..
Yea, because those are issues the congress will be deciding.
“A simple democracy is the devil’s own government.”
— Benjamin Rush --
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
And for a guy so heavily invested in “individual liberty”, you seem awfully unconcerned about a electing a guy whose stated goal is to turn the country into a Christian theocracy.
That might come into play if his opponent was some champion of individual liberty. But he is not, far from it.
Compared to Roy Moore? Yeah, he is.
Yea, what positions of his are at the forefront of individual liberty? Gun restrictions? Mandated healthcare?
About the only individual liberty that I can think of he supports is the right to kill your unborn babies. Beyond that he is a pure nanny stater.
The right of women to hold elected office? The right to not have the state impose an official religion on an individual? Jones doesn't need to be at the forefront of individual liberty - he just needs to not be a regressive theocratic redneck asshole to put him miles ahead of Roy Moore..
Yea, because those are issues the congress will be deciding.
You don't think those views translate to other issues? Really?
Rip wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:30 pm
For a group that thinks they win no matter what happens you guys sure do seem to be overly interested in this single race......
And for a guy so heavily invested in “individual liberty”, you seem awfully unconcerned about a electing a guy whose stated goal is to turn the country into a Christian theocracy.
That might come into play if his opponent was some champion of individual liberty. But he is not, far from it.
Compared to Roy Moore? Yeah, he is.
Yea, what positions of his are at the forefront of individual liberty? Gun restrictions? Mandated healthcare?
About the only individual liberty that I can think of he supports is the right to kill your unborn babies. Beyond that he is a pure nanny stater.
The right of women to hold elected office? The right to not have the state impose an official religion on an individual? Jones doesn't need to be at the forefront of individual liberty - he just needs to not be a regressive theocratic redneck asshole to put him miles ahead of Roy Moore..
Yea, because those are issues the congress will be deciding.
His (18)50's era social mores and utter lack of respect for the rule of law would impact every vote he casts. Those things above are merely symptoms of his disease, and evidence of his lack of fitness to govern.
Credible source reporting 90-minute waits, long lines in predominantly black precinct in Mobile with only one person verifying IDs. Shorter wait times in predominantly white areas. Can anyone verify?
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:48 pm
Surprising exactly no one:
Credible source reporting 90-minute waits, long lines in predominantly black precinct in Mobile with only one person verifying IDs. Shorter wait times in predominantly white areas. Can anyone verify?
The state and municipalities are posting police officers to do open-warrant checks at polling places.
It's completely unconstitutional, but who's going to stop them?
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:48 pm
Surprising exactly no one:
Credible source reporting 90-minute waits, long lines in predominantly black precinct in Mobile with only one person verifying IDs. Shorter wait times in predominantly white areas. Can anyone verify?
The state and municipalities are posting police officers to do open-warrant checks at polling places.
It's completely unconstitutional, but who's going to stop them?
I haven't heard that, but I'm not surprised.
In more encouraging news, early exit polling is showing that blacks comprise 30% of voters vs 26% of statewide population, and that approval of Jones is split 49%/49% while voters show a highly unfavorable/favorable split (something like 52/36, but I dont recall exactly) against Roy Moore.
The people running our government and those wanting in to run our government are dumber than cat shit. Maddening to see such stupidity in charge and even supported by other dirt brained voters.
Seems smart folk are a minority these days in the country.
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"Has high IQ. Refuses to apply it"
It's pretty much a nail-biter. Minute-by-minute you see Moore under-perform here and over-perform there while Jones is doing well but hovering on the margin of not-well-enough.
I think Moore will win in a close race, but that closeness is the story. Republicans would normally be able to count on 20-30% margins in Alabama.
(Forgotten in all this: if they'd nominated Luther Strange, tonight you wouldn't even be watching the returns.)
