That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/
That's the main difference between our sides I think. Your side likes having a "ruling class", we like having someone who represents "we the people".
To be honest, both sides have ruling classes.
Pfft, the people want racism, bigotry and misogyny, not silly tax cuts.Grifman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:18 amTo be honest, both sides have ruling classes.
Now here's a question for you - if Trump represents "we the people", then why did the vast majority of his tax cuts go to the super wealthy and corporations? Surely, someone representing "the people" would have targeted their tax cuts, to , you know, the actual people? Can you answer that question for me?
You forgot extinction.Jaymann wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:29 amPfft, the people want racism, bigotry and misogyny, not silly tax cuts.Grifman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:18 amTo be honest, both sides have ruling classes.
Now here's a question for you - if Trump represents "we the people", then why did the vast majority of his tax cuts go to the super wealthy and corporations? Surely, someone representing "the people" would have targeted their tax cuts, to , you know, the actual people? Can you answer that question for me?
I don't think it's so much honest as it is not-stupid.
A former Russian arms tycoon who had connections at the highest levels of the Kremlin is a major donor to Britain’s ruling Conservative Party and counts himself a friend of the man expected to be the country’s next prime minister.
Alexander Temerko, who forged close ties with the Russian defence ministry and security services in the 1990s, has gifted over £1 million to the Conservatives over the past eight years.
In a series of interviews detailed in a Reuters Special Report here, he spoke warmly about his "friend" Boris Johnson, the leading Brexit campaigner who is frontrunner to become Britain's prime minister in a party leadership contest next week.
Temerko, who revealed himself to be a supporter of Johnson’s bid to lead Britain out of the EU, described how the two men sometimes call each other “Sasha”, the Russian diminutive for Alexander, which is Johnson’s real first name.
He recalled how, at the beginning of Johnson’s 2016-18 tenure as foreign secretary, they would often “plot” late into the evening over a bottle of wine on the balcony of Johnson’s office at parliament.
The insights into Temerko’s former ties with the Moscow government of Vladimir Putin, and his present involvement in UK politics, come at a time when some MPs worry about possible Russian interference in British democracy.
I really don't understand this whole affair but isn't that the worst possible choice for like THE ENTIRE WORLD? I get that bluffing is often times a useful strategy in negotiations but isn't this essentially gambling a world-wide recession? I honestly have tried to follow this story but seeing as how so many of the articles are from British sources, and I don't speak English (seriously, how are our languages so freaking different?malchior wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:00 pm No deal is the new UK Government's official policy now. Apparently Johnson's plan is to appear crazy enough that they'll feel they need to remove the Irish backstop from the exit deal or risk disaster. It is possible that Brussels will capitulate but it doesn't look likely. I think they might let them go to show that staying in the EU is way better than not.
) it's all just kind of mystifying to me. I guess I'll just have to wait for the movie because this book is really strange.Prime Minister Boris Johnson has rebuffed invitations to meet face to face with EU leaders, including France’s Emmanuel Macron and Germany’s Angela Merkel, saying he won’t hold talks with them until they agree to drop the controversial “Irish backstop” provision from Britain’s withdrawal agreement with the EU.
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The backstop would keep the border open by keeping the U.K. in a customs union with Europe until a system can be designed to check goods without a hard border. Brexiteers don’t like this because it would prevent the U.K. from negotiating its own independent trade agreements—one of the main reasons for Brexit in the first place.
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The EU is sticking to its position that the backstop and the rest of the withdrawal agreement are not up for negotiation. It’ll discuss the nonbinding political declaration that accompanies the agreement, but the deal itself is the best the U.K. is going to get.
So, we appear to be at a standstill. Johnson’s position is that the U.K. will leave the EU on Oct. 31 no matter what, but he is adamant the he is working to avoid a no-deal Brexit. The British government announced an additional £2.1 billion to no-deal Brexit preparations this week, which is not encouraging.
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At least five Conservative MPs, whom the British media have inexplicably dubbed the “Gaukward Squad” after ringleader David Gauke, have made clear that they are willing to vote against the government in order to prevent a no-deal Brexit.
There are several methods by which Parliament could try to stop a no-deal. These include passing a law requiring Johnson to ask the EU for an extension—which the EU would still have to agree to—or holding a vote of no confidence, which, if it passed, would lead to either another group of MPs attempting to form a government or a new general election. It’s not clear if enough Conservative MPs would back a course of action that could result in Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister.
Whatever path it chooses, Parliament won’t return from recess until the beginning of September, so there won’t be much time.
Time until next deadline: 91 days.
Have they forgotten the Battle of the Atlantic?malchior wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:35 pm I'm sure Boris Johnson has a solution to this problem. Of course, the Brexit loyal are saying this is bullshit or they'll just buy British not realizing how much of their food supply comes from outside their nation or how it will be delayed at the no deal border.
Britain would face gridlock at ports; shortages of medicine, fuel and food; and a hard border with Ireland if it left the European Union with no deal, according to a leaked government document.
The U.K. seems increasingly likely to crash out of the EU on Oct. 31, and the picture the government paints in a confidential document compiled under the code name Operation Yellowhammer and obtained by the Sunday Times is sobering. It details the ways government leaders are working to avert a "catastrophic collapse in the nation's infrastructure."
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It also forecasts the closure of two oil refineries after import tariffs are eliminated, causing an expected loss of 2,000 jobs, worker unrest and disruptions to fuel supplies.
A government source told the Sunday Times: "This is not Project Fear — this is the most realistic assessment of what the public face with no deal. These are likely, basic, reasonable scenarios — not the worst case."
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The Financial Times quoted government insiders who rebutted the document, saying it is not a realistic scenario for a no-deal Brexit and pointing out that it was written under the leadership of Johnson's predecessor, Theresa May, and does not reflect the preparations spearheaded by Johnson that are now underway.
"This document is from when ministers were blocking what needed to be done to get ready to leave and the funds were not available. It has been deliberately leaked by a former minister in an attempt to influence discussions with EU leaders," a source told the paper.
British Energy Minister Kwasi Kwarteng also downplayed the report in an interview with a British broadcaster.
"I think there's a lot of scaremongering around and a lot of people are playing into Project Fear," he told Sky News when asked about the leaked document. "We will be fully prepared to leave without a deal on the 31st of October."
BREXIT is a big deal for the UK, not so much for the EU. A no deal would be a disaster for the UK, and the EU has all the cards. This bluff won't work because the EU knows that Johnson has nothing in his hand.GungHo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:56 pmI really don't understand this whole affair but isn't that the worst possible choice for like THE ENTIRE WORLD? I get that bluffing is often times a useful strategy in negotiations but isn't this essentially gambling a world-wide recession? I honestly have tried to follow this story but seeing as how so many of the articles are from British sources, and I don't speak English (seriously, how are our languages so freaking different?malchior wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:00 pm No deal is the new UK Government's official policy now. Apparently Johnson's plan is to appear crazy enough that they'll feel they need to remove the Irish backstop from the exit deal or risk disaster. It is possible that Brussels will capitulate but it doesn't look likely. I think they might let them go to show that staying in the EU is way better than not.) it's all just kind of mystifying to me. I guess I'll just have to wait for the movie because this book is really strange.
Johnson has been PM a couple weeks and they are saying they already have their country ready or on a path to deal with all the massive supply disruptions that experts point out are inevitable in 3 months time...sounds legit.Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:02 pm NPR
The Financial Times quoted government insiders who rebutted the document, saying it is not a realistic scenario for a no-deal Brexit and pointing out that it was written under the leadership of Johnson's predecessor, Theresa May, and does not reflect the preparations spearheaded by Johnson that are now underway.
"This document is from when ministers were blocking what needed to be done to get ready to leave and the funds were not available. It has been deliberately leaked by a former minister in an attempt to influence discussions with EU leaders," a source told the paper.
British Energy Minister Kwasi Kwarteng also downplayed the report in an interview with a British broadcaster.
"I think there's a lot of scaremongering around and a lot of people are playing into Project Fear," he told Sky News when asked about the leaked document. "We will be fully prepared to leave without a deal on the 31st of October."
Edit: Lost in this noise is a small chance they vote no confidence before Parliament prorogues. This could theoretically happen but would require Tory defectors and would lead to a general election which likely would still lead to a crash out since it mifht not happen in time to meet the new date and the results would be uncertain.Grifman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:36 am BREXIT will result in the break of the UK. No way Scotland doesn't vote for independence after this, and pressure will build in Wales and maybe Northern Ireland. I guess BREXIT is worth the diminshment of your country:
BREXIT - Taking the Great out of Great Britain.
