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[Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:25 pm
by Daehawk

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:12 am
by Victoria Raverna
Watched this. The first fight scene is great. So Jedi and Sith used to know kungfu and able to fight much better in that era compare to the Skywalker era?

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 1:39 pm
by Blackhawk
Victoria Raverna wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:12 am Watched this. The first fight scene is great. So Jedi and Sith used to know kungfu and able to fight much better in that era compare to the Skywalker era?
The kung fu needs to go away (it's become an overused trope - can't we get some whatever-warriors that use krav maga or something?) But yeah - everyone knew how to fight better than in the Skywalker era, as most of the specialized trainers were dead before Luke started doing his thing. He had to make due with elderly backpacks and apparitions.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:21 pm
by Daehawk
This show is already getting beat down .Ive seen places jump on it about its gayness. I have idea no as I dont watch it or plan to. But just seems a big gay/fan/ Disney mess out there.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 3:45 pm
by Victoria Raverna
Daehawk wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:21 pm This show is already getting beat down .Ive seen places jump on it about its gayness. I have idea no as I dont watch it or plan to. But just seems a big gay/fan/ Disney mess out there.
You're hanging out with the "anti woke" crowds? I don't know what gayness that they find here. There are nothing gay about the first two episodes which are all that is available for watch right now.

I guess they mostly have problem with female and non white main character. Or the actress who played the character.

Here are example quote of one click bait article that provoke people to hate the show:
In the Daily Show with Trevor Noah, Noah asked Stenberg, “When people watch the hate you get, what do you want them to walk away with because I know everyone has a slightly different feeling.”
She responded, “Well, I mean, white people crying actually was the goal.”
That seemed insulting or bad when cut like that but the actual context is that she was talking about empathy. She want the "white people" to feel for the victim. It was an interview about the movie The Hate U Give which is about police brutality on a black person.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:46 pm
by hepcat
Daehawk wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:21 pm This show is already getting beat down .Ive seen places jump on it about its gayness. I have idea no as I dont watch it or plan to. But just seems a big gay/fan/ Disney mess out there.
Christ. This is where you are now? You're rapidly becoming the kind of person you rail against in other forums. :roll:

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:02 pm
by Daehawk
What? Like I said I dont watch and have no interest. I was stating there seems to be a backlash against the show and it has to do with gayness. I dont know what they're talking about as again I dont watch it. But you can go online and see all the clatter around. I couldn't care less.

You guys are always awfully quick to assume I am anti gay or black or something all the time. Im none of those. I say let people be people. Dont care as long as its not in my business. Geez guys.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:16 pm
by hepcat
Daehawk wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 2:21 pm But just seems a big gay/fan/ Disney mess out there.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:17 pm
by Blackhawk
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt - there's a criticism in there against the anti-woke crowd, I think, but it's just phrased very badly to give the opposite impression.
Daehawk wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:02 pm What? Like I said I dont watch and have no interest. I was stating there seems to be a backlash against the show and it has to do with gayness. I dont know what they're talking about as again I dont watch it. But you can go online and see all the clatter around. I couldn't care less.
As a hint, you're better off not describing anything with the word 'gay' unless it's a human that happens to be homosexual. The show can't be gay, and the backlash (assuming - I haven't read anything about it) isn't against the show, it's against the characters in the show, whom (I'm guessing) might be gay.

Remember the YouTube thing that went sideways a while back? If you're reading things that are calling the show 'gay' and using 'gayness' that way, you might want to double check your reading habits.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:23 pm
by Blackhawk
Doing some quick searching, the 'gayest' descriptor seems to have come from one of the stars of show, who is non-binary, and was used affectionately as a positive quality. I'm also reading that the show is already a hit.

If what you're seeing is all criticism over it having lots of LGBTQ+ characters/actors, then you're reading biased sources.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:24 pm
by hepcat
If that's indeed the issue, then good. Combined with the recent Youtube issues, it just seemed like Dae was going down a road I wasn't expecting.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:08 pm
by Daehawk
Maybe I need to flush my youtube cache again.

How was it I did that the last time?

EDIT: And while we are waiting on the info here is a link to the Youtube video thread where I posted a video of a 4k day at Venice Beach

https://octopusoverlords.com/forum/view ... 6#p3042506

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:07 pm
by Victoria Raverna
Daehawk wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:02 pm What? Like I said I dont watch and have no interest. I was stating there seems to be a backlash against the show and it has to do with gayness. I dont know what they're talking about as again I dont watch it. But you can go online and see all the clatter around. I couldn't care less.

You guys are always awfully quick to assume I am anti gay or black or something all the time. Im none of those. I say let people be people. Dont care as long as its not in my business. Geez guys.
When someone is using words like "woke" or "gay" to explain why something is bad, they're likely to be the "anti-woke" or homophobic people. You might not be anti gay or anti black or anti woman but you're hanging with those group or getting your news from those group of people.

Seriously there is no "big gay" about the show so far. Nothing is obviously gay in the first two episodes which are all that available to watch.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:09 pm
by hepcat
Well, other than they hired a Divine impersonator to play Darth Vader.

…now I want a John Waters Star Wars movie.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:57 pm
by Blackhawk
Daehawk wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:08 pm Maybe I need to flush my youtube cache again.

How was it I did that the last time?
https://octopusoverlords.com/forum/view ... 0#p3039300


/edit - I started to follow up with a reply, but moved it to R&P.

For everyone else - give Daehawk the benefit of the doubt. He's not going MAGA, he's being manipulated the same way as so many other people we know, and he's posting things without realizing the real implications. He's been scammed recently (almost twice), and doesn't need our blame for it. If you care enough to scold him for making mistakes, use that energy to provide a little advice instead.

Daehawk: Sorry to talk about you like you're not here.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:18 am
by Scuzz
No comment on Dahaek, what he saw without realizing it is the kind of thing my wife would see and not understand. My problem is the definite Asian characters doing martial arts. I don’t need that in my Star Wars stuff.

Nothing wrong with Asian characters but adding the martial arts aspect just screams of a lack of imagination by the writers.

I haven’t watched it though, and we may still watch it unless the Fallout series is next up,

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:58 am
by hepcat
Scuzz wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:18 am No comment on Dahaek, what he saw without realizing it is the kind of thing my wife would see and not understand.
I think we've established he didn't mean it the way I took it. I think he was saying that he saw people complaining about it being too "gay" online, not that he thought it was.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:25 am
by JCC
Just checked out the first 2 eps and I think it's fantastic. I don't care if there are gay characters or not in Star Wars, but I didn't see any trace of any sexuality, gay or otherwise in this.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:31 am
by Zarathud
Star Wars fans seem to fall into the dark side very easily about Disney’s new approaches to storylines. Why would a galaxy with Wookies, Ithorians, Mon Calamari and Gungans not have GLBTQ people? Or Jedi doing king fu?

I read that the goal was to fill out the Jedi as a powerful institution in the universe. Anything that shows their heightened training and presence furthers the narrative.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 11:36 am
by Blackhawk
I saw somewhere that it wasn't the characters that were LGBTQ+, it was an unusually high portion of the cast.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:33 pm
by Scuzz
hepcat wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:58 am
Scuzz wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:18 am No comment on Dahaek, what he saw without realizing it is the kind of thing my wife would see and not understand.
I think we've established he didn't mean it the way I took it. I think he was saying that he saw people complaining about it being too "gay" online, not that he thought it was.
Agreed, I just meant that my comment wasn’t about him, or you I guess.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:09 pm
by Blackhawk
And to be clear, my comment was aimed at the backlash of the last few weeks, not just this post (and not just the posters in it.) We live in a world built around media that specializes in manipulating and victimizing people.

We should be helping those who get caught by that, not blaming them - at least until it becomes clearly willful.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 5:45 pm
by hepcat
Scuzz wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:33 pm
hepcat wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:58 am
Scuzz wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:18 am No comment on Dahaek, what he saw without realizing it is the kind of thing my wife would see and not understand.
I think we've established he didn't mean it the way I took it. I think he was saying that he saw people complaining about it being too "gay" online, not that he thought it was.
Agreed, I just meant that my comment wasn’t about him, or you I guess.
I'm not in The Acolyte. They wouldn't meet my demands.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:52 pm
by Daehawk
I'm not in The Acolyte. They wouldn't meet my demands.
That all Jedi should wear Bea Arthur under roos and carry a gold color lightsaber?

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:10 pm
by hepcat
Man, I still can’t stop thinking about a John Waters Star Wars movie…

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 2:15 am
by Scuzz
hepcat wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 5:45 pm
Scuzz wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:33 pm
hepcat wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:58 am
Scuzz wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:18 am No comment on Dahaek, what he saw without realizing it is the kind of thing my wife would see and not understand.
I think we've established he didn't mean it the way I took it. I think he was saying that he saw people complaining about it being too "gay" online, not that he thought it was.
Agreed, I just meant that my comment wasn’t about him, or you I guess.
I'm not in The Acolyte. They wouldn't meet my demands.
I always figured you as the demanding type.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 10:31 am
by Zarathud
hepcat wrote:Man, I still can’t stop thinking about a John Waters Star Wars movie…
There’s always the Star Wars burlesque shows. Many of them are actually good.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:04 am
by dbt1949
So, is this show about a junior Jedi and his/her fight against the Sith?

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:54 pm
by Hyena
I watched the first episode and half of the second. I'm interested, but not fully sucked in yet. I love the actress playing the...uh, main character. She was Rue in The Hunger Games.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 1:46 pm
by Kurth
Hyena wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:54 pm I watched the first episode and half of the second. I'm interested, but not fully sucked in yet. I love the actress playing the...uh, main character. She was Rue in The Hunger Games.
Watched first episode with my daughter last night. She loved it. I liked it, but am more or less where you are. I’m interested but not fully all in yet.
Spoiler:
I thought the evil twin thing was a little over the top in terms of cliche. Like, really? That your central plot mechanic out of the gate? 😑🙄

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:23 pm
by JCC
Spoiler:
I hope it will be a bit more nuanced than a simple "evil twin". I was also relieved we didn't have to go through several episodes of the "good twin" having to prove her innocence.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:17 am
by hepcat
I watched the first episode. But other than Andor, I just can't get excited about Star Wars shows these days. It's like Marvel movies and shows, I'm just burnt out. The only reason Andor works for me is because it's so unlike all the other shows in that universe.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:58 pm
by Scuzz
Scuzz wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:18 am No comment on Dahaek, what he saw without realizing it is the kind of thing my wife would see and not understand. My problem is the definite Asian characters doing martial arts. I don’t need that in my Star Wars stuff.

Nothing wrong with Asian characters but adding the martial arts aspect just screams of a lack of imagination by the writers.

I haven’t watched it though, and we may still watch it unless the Fallout series is next up,
So we did start watching Fallout. They went hardcore adult with it. Love the Easter eggs. It will be interesting to see where they take it.

Re: [Disney+] The Acolyte

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 6:49 pm
by Kurth
JCC wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:23 pm
Spoiler:
I hope it will be a bit more nuanced than a simple "evil twin". I was also relieved we didn't have to go through several episodes of the "good twin" having to prove her innocence.
Watched the second episode last night: Still feels like they're leaning into the cliched plot device mentioned in the spoilers. I hope I'm wrong and there's some kind of interesting twist coming down the road at us, but I'm kind of doubtful.