NY vs. Trump - Hush Money Trial

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:19 am

We’re only one day into the trial:

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:27 am

Background context:

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:22 pm

Not sure if true, but I also saw a couple of mentions that he fell asleep at his table thingie while waiting for the judge to get things started.

Old cooter!

Edit: he's asleep in the pic above!

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:30 pm

Yes, he was nodding off yesterday and this morning. Low energy. Sad.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:34 pm

In my pre law school days I was a paralegal at an IP firm. We had a multi-million dollar patent infringement trial going on in federal court, and the judge was sound asleep on the bench. To be fair, it was an incredibly boring trial about the minutiae of the process for annealing steel and my eyelids were drooping at times, too.

waitingtoconnect · Post by **waitingtoconnect** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:55 pm

As Donald Trumps new legal representative I will be raising a motion of boys will be boys!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:11 pm

waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:55 pm As Donald Trumps new legal representative I will be raising a motion of boys will be boys!

How is this not this??

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:59 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:34 pm In my pre law school days I was a paralegal at an IP firm. We had a multi-million dollar patent infringement trial going on in federal court, and the judge was sound asleep on the bench. To be fair, it was an incredibly boring trial about the minutiae of the process for annealing steel and my eyelids were drooping at times, too.

Ok, now you've got my curiosity going. What do you do in that situation? Quietly wait? Continue without the judge? "Accidentally" drop a book? Do a patter song? Politely wake the judge up and risk an embarrassed judge taking it personally, or possibly a gavel to the nose?

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:41 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:59 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:34 pm In my pre law school days I was a paralegal at an IP firm. We had a multi-million dollar patent infringement trial going on in federal court, and the judge was sound asleep on the bench. To be fair, it was an incredibly boring trial about the minutiae of the process for annealing steel and my eyelids were drooping at times, too.
Ok, now you've got my curiosity going. What do you do in that situation? Quietly wait? Continue without the judge? "Accidentally" drop a book? Do a patter song? Politely wake the judge up and risk an embarrassed judge taking it personally, or possibly a gavel to the nose?

It was a jury trial so the judge was only needed if there was an objection to be ruled on or something like that. It's been a long time, but I think a clerk eventually went up to him to give him some "notes" or something.

Mr. Fed was telling a story on Bluesky yesterday about the time almost everyone in the courtroom was asleep except for him, the witness he was questioning, and the big, nasty looking murder defendant who was looking straight at him. Judge, marshalls, defense counsel. He said he sneezed really loud into the microphone to jolt everyone awake.

Scraper · Post by **Scraper** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:27 am

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:41 pm
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:59 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:34 pm In my pre law school days I was a paralegal at an IP firm. We had a multi-million dollar patent infringement trial going on in federal court, and the judge was sound asleep on the bench. To be fair, it was an incredibly boring trial about the minutiae of the process for annealing steel and my eyelids were drooping at times, too.
Ok, now you've got my curiosity going. What do you do in that situation? Quietly wait? Continue without the judge? "Accidentally" drop a book? Do a patter song? Politely wake the judge up and risk an embarrassed judge taking it personally, or possibly a gavel to the nose?
It was a jury trial so the judge was only needed if there was an objection to be ruled on or something like that. It's been a long time, but I think a clerk eventually went up to him to give him some "notes" or something.

Mr. Fed was telling a story on Bluesky yesterday about the time almost everyone in the courtroom was asleep except for him, the witness he was questioning, and the big, nasty looking murder defendant who was looking straight at him. Judge, marshalls, defense counsel. He said he sneezed really loud into the microphone to jolt everyone awake.

This happens a lot, especially with the Jury. It's hard to keep 12 to 14 people awake all day long when all they're doing is sitting and listening.

waitingtoconnect · Post by **waitingtoconnect** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:29 pm

I think trump and his lawyers get most of their legal theory from law and order and the practice.

You the episodes where the defence lawyer makes a preposterous argument and the case gets thrown out.

I’m surprised trump hasn’t tried not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect yet.

Just need a law and order trump show now.

“In New York Trump based crimes are considered especially heinous…”

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:03 pm

ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:41 pm
Blackhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:59 pm
ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:34 pm In my pre law school days I was a paralegal at an IP firm. We had a multi-million dollar patent infringement trial going on in federal court, and the judge was sound asleep on the bench. To be fair, it was an incredibly boring trial about the minutiae of the process for annealing steel and my eyelids were drooping at times, too.
Ok, now you've got my curiosity going. What do you do in that situation? Quietly wait? Continue without the judge? "Accidentally" drop a book? Do a patter song? Politely wake the judge up and risk an embarrassed judge taking it personally, or possibly a gavel to the nose?
It was a jury trial so the judge was only needed if there was an objection to be ruled on or something like that. It's been a long time, but I think a clerk eventually went up to him to give him some "notes" or something.

Mr. Fed was telling a story on Bluesky yesterday about the time almost everyone in the courtroom was asleep except for him, the witness he was questioning, and the big, nasty looking murder defendant who was looking straight at him. Judge, marshalls, defense counsel. He said he sneezed really loud into the microphone to jolt everyone awake.

I had to go find it

Link to Mr Fed's tale!

Swin, did I ever tell you about the time that everyone else in the courtroom seemed to be asleep and I was afraid the white supremacist bank robber was going to strangle me?

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:03 pm

https://lamag.com/politics/something-st ... t-be-trump

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:10 pm

So a mentally ill person immolated himself outside of Trump's trial today, but so far I haven't seen anything that indicated that he was especially pro- or anti-Trump.

His manifesto posted online apparently focused on conspiracy theories around Crypto and the idea that it is a conspiracy to enslave us all. He also declared that NYU was a front for the mafia. He has a history of attempting weird, conspiracy-driven lawsuits as well, but none of his motives seem to be driven by right- or left-leaning consistency.

It does seem clear that he was not protesting Trump or the trial itself. He seems instead to have been drawn to the high media presence.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:12 pm

Holman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:10 pm His manifesto posted online

The Ponzi Papers - NYU is a Mob Front

Producer James L. Brooks made The Simpsons to tell us we have no choice but to slave away for evil billionaires, and that the American Dream is dead because we’re too oafish, divided, and morally decayed, and not because criminals have been stealing our futures.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:21 pm

I'm going to go ahead and lay down a wager that he was expelled ("put on involuntary leave") or fired by NYU at some point.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:44 pm

Sit!

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:56 am

After having his rally cancelled last night because of the weather, I'm guessing he's going to be in rare form tomorrow. He spent all week getting beat up and missed out on the attention from adoring fans. Can't wait!

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:34 am

What I love even more is that gates opened early so many of his supporters stood out in 80 degree weather with no shelter for hours until finally getting absolutely DUMPED on (the rain was brutal), then told 30 minutes before the show to go home. I couldn't have scripted it better.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:35 am

YellowKing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:34 am What I love even more is that gates opened early so many of his supporters stood out in 80 degree weather with no shelter for hours until finally getting absolutely DUMPED on (the rain was brutal), then told 30 minutes before the show to go home. I couldn't have scripted it better.

I love this.

I wonder if they pass the hat at these, or maybe charging to attend now to raise money for his lawy…I mean campaign?

waitingtoconnect · Post by **waitingtoconnect** » Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:09 pm

YellowKing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:34 am What I love even more is that gates opened early so many of his supporters stood out in 80 degree weather with no shelter for hours until finally getting absolutely DUMPED on (the rain was brutal), then told 30 minutes before the show to go home. I couldn't have scripted it better.

Exactly one might say it was an act of God. Or more precisely ones might say it was a combination of deep state weather machines and Canadian space lasers that caused the rain and heat on the crowd.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:29 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:56 am After having his rally cancelled last night because of the weather, I'm guessing he's going to be in rare form tomorrow. He spent all week getting beat up and missed out on the attention from adoring fans. Can't wait!

The pressure must be intense! Like a balloon's pressure almost bursting a thin barrier, a hard log pushing against a clogged stream, or a dense and choked flow of soggy debris just waiting to burst a frail diaper asunder!

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:08 am

Interesting article. Trump's defense team has some crucial choices in how they defend against these charges:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/opinions ... index.html

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:40 am

Holman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:29 pm
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:56 am After having his rally cancelled last night because of the weather, I'm guessing he's going to be in rare form tomorrow. He spent all week getting beat up and missed out on the attention from adoring fans. Can't wait!
The pressure must be intense! Like a balloon's pressure almost bursting a thin barrier, a hard log pushing against a clogged stream, or a dense and choked flow of soggy debris just waiting to burst a frail diaper asunder!

Or like a massive inflamed boil on a fat inner thigh, rubbing against polyester tennis shorts that are too tight.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:03 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:40 am
Holman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:29 pm
Smoove_B wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:56 am After having his rally cancelled last night because of the weather, I'm guessing he's going to be in rare form tomorrow. He spent all week getting beat up and missed out on the attention from adoring fans. Can't wait!
The pressure must be intense! Like a balloon's pressure almost bursting a thin barrier, a hard log pushing against a clogged stream, or a dense and choked flow of soggy debris just waiting to burst a frail diaper asunder!
Or like a massive inflamed boil on a fat inner thigh, rubbing against polyester tennis shorts that are too tight.

Gross!

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Apr 22, 2024 3:27 pm

Oh boy - this pretty much guarantees a made-for-TV movie

NEW: NY Courts will release daily transcripts of Donald Trump's criminal trial.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:35 pm

Hopefully a flood of hilarious re-enactments to watch in the days to come.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:37 pm

Wise to make it as transparent as possible. In all seriousness.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:42 pm

Yeah, absolutely. It's also unprecedented (releasing transcripts so quickly). It's almost like the NY court system understands what's at stake...

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:34 pm

I'm sure they know all to well that Trump would go out there and say X happened, and they want the world to know that actually, Y happened.

And there is only one shot at first interpretations.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:57 am

It sounds like Allen Weissenlberg wrote everything down with regard to the breakdown of what calculus went into Cohen's payments.

That should be pretty damning in this case, I would think.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 10:41 am

I just want to take this moment to say that it would be so nice to actually physically gag Trump.

/day-dreaming

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:06 am

Trump hush-money trial: judge tells ex-president’s lawyer he’s ‘losing all credibility’ with arguments in gag order hearing

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:36 am

From the updates I read this morning, that contempt hearing went really poorly for Trump and his counsel. The prosecution isn’t asking for Trump to be jailed - yet - but I think there’s a very real possibility Judge Merchan comes back and finds Trump in contempt and warns him that any further violations will result in jail time.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:48 am

Will there be finger-wagging when he delivers that warning or does that only happen after his second and final warning?

I get that shit is complicated, but JFC already with this guy.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:00 pm

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:48 am but JFC already with this guy.

Your forgot the F!

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:40 pm

Kurth wrote:From the updates I read this morning, that contempt hearing went really poorly for Trump and his counsel. The prosecution isn’t asking for Trump to be jailed - yet - but I think there’s a very real possibility Judge Merchan comes back and finds Trump in contempt and warns him that any further violations will result in jail time.

This needs to be the default position in all his cases.

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:49 pm

Yeah Teflon Don is certainly living up to his nickname. And they wonder why people are fed up with the class disparity in this country.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:26 pm

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 12:10 am

Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:48 am Will there be finger-wagging when he delivers that warning or does that only happen after his second and final warning?

I get that shit is complicated, but JFC already with this guy.

I hope that “this guy” is in reference to Trump and not Judge Merchan, who appears to be doing a hell of a job in an incredibly difficult and fraught position.