Cervical Cancer Vaccine recommended for girls...

silverjon · Post by **silverjon** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:52 pm

I would like to point out that there is no "lifetime of medication" for warts. It's not herpes. Most HPV infections will clear themselves within 2 years, and the afflicted person may never even have symptoms. This is why the transmission rate is so high, but it's largely an unserious disease with occasional severe consequences.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:53 pm

silverjon wrote:If the actual vaccination rate for girls is 40%, don't you think it stands to reason that it will be even lower for boys?

It depends on how quickly they make it a school requirement. Even Rick Perry (which lends credence to the bribery errrrrr advertising angle), tried to make it a requirement.

silverjon · Post by **silverjon** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:57 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:However I get uncomfortable when it's viewed as a cancer vaccine. It's no more a cancer vaccine than a nicotine patch is a cancer vaccine. It helps reduce the incidence of something that causes cancer. It doesn't vaccinate against cancer, it vaccinates against HPV.

Because this can't be emphasized enough.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:59 pm

noxiousdog wrote:That's the wrong question. Of course it's worth $360 per person. The better question is can $360 per person (roughly 2 million males) for an annual cost of nearly $1 billion per year be better spent elsewhere?

Thus you run into the argument I used to have once a week (over much smaller amounts of money). I can't tell you exactly how many lives we'll change if we spend $1 billion a year vaccinating kids against HPV. I can suggest that maybe we don't have to deal with ~21,000 cases of HPV-caused cancer each year. For those ~21,000 people, I'm going to suggest a ~$1000 investment spread over their cohorts is worth it.

If you really want your mind blown, look into the ~$6 billion we spend each year on Breast cancer awareness and research and then tell me how many people died of breast cancer each day worldwide in 1992 versus 2010.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:06 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Thus you run into the argument I used to have once a week (over much smaller amounts of money). I can't tell you exactly how many lives we'll change if we spend $1 billion a year vaccinating kids against HPV. I can suggest that maybe we don't have to deal with ~21,000 cases of HPV-caused cancer each year. For those ~21,000 people, I'm going to suggest a ~$1000 investment spread over their cohorts is worth it.

If you really want your mind blown, look into the ~$6 billion we spend each year on Breast cancer awareness and research and then tell me how many people died of breast cancer each day worldwide in 1992 versus 2010.

And funding is accelerating! (but I like tatas )

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:08 pm

silverjon wrote:I would like to point out that there is no "lifetime of medication" for warts.

I guess I was referring to the topical treatments for outbreaks as well as the medical therapies used to deal with areas that cannot be treated by the patient. Your point still stands -- I probably should have said "chronic" instead of "lifetime".

silverjon · Post by **silverjon** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:26 pm

Smoove_B wrote:
silverjon wrote:I would like to point out that there is no "lifetime of medication" for warts.
I guess I was referring to the topical treatments for outbreaks as well as the medical therapies used to deal with areas that cannot be treated by the patient. Your point still stands -- I probably should have said "chronic" instead of "lifetime".

Even if you do get warts, you're not likely to have flareups for your whole life. Is 1-3 years long enough to be considered a chronic affliction? That's for the virus to become undetectable in the body, not just lacking visible symptoms.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:00 pm

Yeah, chronic means >3 months, at least in the literature I frequent.

silverjon · Post by **silverjon** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:17 pm

Fair enough. I didn't know the clinical vs. colloquial thresholds (if colloquial can have a threshold).

Quaro · Post by **Quaro** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:19 pm

Smoove_B wrote:It's basic vaccination theory. Human females aren't the only reservoir for the disease. Add that to what seems to be a pretty low vaccination rate for girls (~40%) and it makes sense to recommend that same series of vaccination for boys - particularly when it seems like the rate of oral cancer in men is increasing beyond what could be attributed to tobacco use.

Rising quite dramatically:

In 1984-89, about 16% of oropharyngeal cancers — cancers of the tonsils, upper throat and base of the tongue — tested HPV-positive, the researchers found. By 2000-04, the proportion of HPV-positive cancers had risen to 72%.
That means that the rate of HPV-related oral cancer rose from 0.8 cases per 100,000 people in the 1980s to 2.6 cases per 100,000 people in the 2000s — an increase of 225%. At the same time, as cigarette smoking declined, the rate of HPV-negative cancers dropped by 50%, the study found.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/10/05/h ... n-smoking/" target="_blank

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:54 pm

noxiousdog wrote:
Smoove_B wrote: Thus you run into the argument I used to have once a week (over much smaller amounts of money). I can't tell you exactly how many lives we'll change if we spend $1 billion a year vaccinating kids against HPV. I can suggest that maybe we don't have to deal with ~21,000 cases of HPV-caused cancer each year. For those ~21,000 people, I'm going to suggest a ~$1000 investment spread over their cohorts is worth it.

If you really want your mind blown, look into the ~$6 billion we spend each year on Breast cancer awareness and research and then tell me how many people died of breast cancer each day worldwide in 1992 versus 2010.
And funding is accelerating! (but I like tatas )

Continuing on the off topic portion of this thread, my Freakonomics fetish points out that there are twice as many suicides as murders.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:55 pm

If I wasn't able to pick you out of a lineup, I'd swear you were in my class tonight.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:00 pm

Aus

The world's first cancer vaccine was administered in Australia exactly 10 years ago.

Since then, the human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine has been rolled out across 130 countries and halved the number of new cervical cancers.
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"If we vaccinate enough people we will eliminate these viruses because they only infect humans. And in Australia there's already been a 90% reduction in infections in the 10 years the programme has been running."
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"In countries like the US where the vaccine isn't so widely taken up, that's a little bit disappointing because cervical cancer still kills several thousand women in the US," he said.

"Then, of course, we've got the problem of the 250,000 people that die from cervical cancer in the developing world."

Researchers are continuing to refine the effectiveness of the vaccine and ensure more widespread inoculation.

"We're moving from a vaccine that protects against two common strains of the virus that cause cancer to a vaccine that protects against nine common strains," Prof Frazer said.

"If we get that rolled out we will eventually get rid of all cancers that get caused by this virus."

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:27 pm

So you're saying autism > cancer?

Spoiler:

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:28 pm

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:22 pm

This is the very virus that nearly killed me...

Moliere wrote:So you're saying autism > cancer?

Speaking from experience, hell yes!

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:49 pm

my son got his first (of three) vaccination shots. i feel like i did something good...

killbot737 · Post by **killbot737** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:07 pm

I have to say, as a non-insane person (got my stamp and everything) I am 10,000% for vaccinations. The commercials I have seen lately for the HPV vaccine are very insulting.

No, hypothetical child, there was no fucking vaccine (woohoo, double entendre!) when you were born. Are you satisfied now?

The only people refusing this vaccine are puritanical weirdos who think that babies are delivered by the Jesus stork, or parents who refuse to acknowledge how badly teenage hormones affect the decision making process.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:43 pm

Mr. Fed wrote:
LordMortis wrote:
Wouldn't it be much easier to make part of your sixth grade phyiscal? I mean if they can poke a finger up a little boys ass and grab his nuts without explaining it, they can easily give a girl a shot as part of the battery of innoculations for the physical.
Where the fuck did you go to sixth grade? Prison?

This is hilarious, Mr. Fed from 2006.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:11 pm

Lol. Time travel is more funny than I expected.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:41 pm

UPI

The vaccine against human papillomavirus (HPV) is highly effective in young women -- and may even offer some protection to those who don't get it, a new study suggests.

Researchers said the findings add to evidence that the vaccine -- which ultimately cuts the risk of several cancers -- is a boon to public health.
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In other findings, the study showed that the prevalence of the four HPV types also dipped among patients who remained unvaccinated: At the outset, about one-third tested positive for those viral strains, and that figure dropped to 19.4 percent over time.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:01 pm

As an interesting side note, my son got it too by default and it's covered by insurance.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:07 pm

We were at the doctor over summer and I think they were ready to give me the business over vaccinating my daughter, but the nurse did a double take at the patient history and said, "Oh...you're already finished with the series." I was left with the distinct impression it's not a common occurance; I think nationwide numbers are hovering around 50% for vaccine acceptance.

Hadn't seen that study; thanks for the bump!

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:43 pm

Pretty sure both of my kids got it. Everyone survived.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:57 pm

This was always another good point for me and my wife. Neither had anything so was never a worry. I know what you start to think but we lived totally in love. No thought of cheating and none done. It was lovely....and worry free.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:06 am

I read somewhere that the vaccine makes girls more promiscuous and makes boys totally gay. Has there been any follow up on that aspect?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:27 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:06 am I read somewhere that the vaccine makes girls more promiscuous and makes boys totally gay. Has there been any follow up on that aspect?

I'm surprised it hasn't come up with the current administration. Someone needs to send a message!

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:02 pm

New study that was just published suggests the HVP vaccination cuts risk of invasive cervical cancer in half. It was started in 2006, so 14 years to get these results!

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:04 pm

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:17 pm

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:46 am

Our oldest boy has had this vaccine now, and his brother will follow suit. I've no qualms whatsoever with this. I know men can be silent carriers of HPV (there's not even a test to tell if they have it, let alone the lack of symptoms) so maybe somewhere down the line, it'll save a woman's life.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:41 am

Paingod wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:46 amso maybe somewhere down the line, it'll save a woman's life.

Or another man. No judgements!

(and yes, I know men don't have a cervix. I'm talking about HPV infection being spread and putting them at risk of other cancers)

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:52 am

Didn't even know about that.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:09 am

Here you go boss.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:10 am

I was quite pleased to see HPV vaccine for boys is standard and covered by insurance.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:47 pm

Good news about cervical cancer:

The American Cancer Society said Thursday that changes in preventive measures and screening in the past decade drove important trends in U.S. cancer incidence and outcomes. Cervical cancer rates dropped 65% from 2012 to 2019 among women in their early 20s after a generation of young women were vaccinated against human papillomavirus, or HPV, for the first time.

The way things are going, it'll probably be part of public health's Swan Song but I guess it's something good to share.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:42 pm

How long before the stupid minority blames it for something else and refuses to take the vaccine thereby condemning girls to un needed cancers?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:08 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:42 pm How long before the stupid minority blames it for something else and refuses to take the vaccine thereby condemning girls to un needed cancers?

At leat 15 years ago?

But yeah, it's old news
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death- ... t-so-fast/

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:16 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:42 pm How long before the stupid minority blames it for something else and refuses to take the vaccine thereby condemning girls to un needed cancers?

It doesn't need to. Clear back to page one of this thread (16+ years ago) they've been equating it with giving children permission to have sex, and condemning it for that.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:18 pm

Yeah, there isn't going to be an "instant" impact (like there might be with measles or chickenpox). What this will look like in practice (if there is vaccine rejection) is a deep "trough" in the number of cervical cancer cases in women of a certain age, and then cases will mysteriously (not so mysteriously) climb for another cohort of ages.

Let's check back in sometime around 2033?