Please Ignore the Remodelling (WW Fallen 3)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:08 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
Austin wrote:I agree on the witch though.
I think I want to use the above at this point.

Allows for the Witch to become Light (reverse Elder)
Limits both Silence and Witch no NonConsecutive.

What do you guys think?

Looks good to me.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:42 pm

revised

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:46 pm

Chaosraven wrote:1 Dark Traitor Witch - may choose a player and negate their power for the duration of that phase.
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SPECIAL NOTE: IF THE WITCH CURSES A LIGHT PLAYER, SHE WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIGHT TEAM, INCLUDING PM ABILITY

If the Witch curses a light player and thereby enters into communication and conspiracy with the Lights, is the Light target of the Witch nonetheless cursed for that cycle? Or does the Witch remove the curse when an ally is discovered? Or does the curse simply not affect allies of the Witch?

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:12 am

I haven't read the rules and won't until the game starts, but I saw that signups had started.

So....

In

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:41 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:1 Dark Traitor Witch - may choose a player and negate their power for the duration of that phase.
...
SPECIAL NOTE: IF THE WITCH CURSES A LIGHT PLAYER, SHE WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIGHT TEAM, INCLUDING PM ABILITY
If the Witch curses a light player and thereby enters into communication and conspiracy with the Lights, is the Light target of the Witch nonetheless cursed for that cycle? Or does the Witch remove the curse when an ally is discovered? Or does the curse simply not affect allies of the Witch?

Also, if the Witch become a full on Light player like that will they then scan as Light rather than as Dark?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:42 am

Kelric wrote:I haven't read the rules and won't until the game starts, but I saw that signups had started.

So....

In

You shuld have. Rule number 1 reads "Kelric dies first."

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:28 am

revised

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:51 am

I probably won't play but I have to say that I really like your variant on the witch. It totally kills not only the witch coming out and taunting the villagers but it also kills also the outing of specials which means the intrigue (which is really the purpose of the game IMO) is kept up longer as opposed to trying to force the game into end game ASAP. A game chauked full roles it generally ends up either with the bad guys waiting to spring an end game trap or with the village collectively solving a puzzle of proper moves. Either way the game moves in the direction of solitaire. One side often becomes a non entity.

I am not sure if I like the witch joining "the light" but that actually would depend on how many players you get. The proper balancce seems to be one per 7-9. Four out of 15-17 seems strong to me. But then, I believe the game should generally favor the villagers at least in feeling.

I didn't read the whole thread but how does the witch kill the siblings power? Is the kill held for the next night? Can the witch prephone in his choice?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:52 am

revised

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:01 am

Chaosraven wrote:
LordMortis wrote:The proper balancce seems to be one per 7-9. Four out of 15-17 seems strong to me. But then, I believe the game should generally favor the villagers at least in feeling.

I didn't read the whole thread but how does the witch kill the siblings power? Is the kill held for the next night? Can the witch prephone in his choice?
Basic Game starts as 9 with 2 bad guys, doesn't it? It's always a question of How Much Power Gets Added to either side. I thought More Bad Guys was usually the Answer but the Powered Bad Guys seems to aid the Balance.

I don't understand your batch o' questions re: the Witch.

Let me take them for you then.

If either sibling is cursed by the Witch they will lose the ability to PM each other for the Night/Day of the curse.

The Curse last one Day/Night cycle. It does not continue into an extra time period.

Why would the Witch want to "prephone in" a curse when events might change the players mind about who needs to be cursed?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:21 am

In if signups are going. It seems to be coming together. (training 3 today/tues so I'm not around much for suggestions)

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:41 am

In against my better judgement.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:05 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Basic Game starts as 9 with 2 bad guys, doesn't it? It's always a question of How Much Power Gets Added to either side. I thought More Bad Guys was usually the Answer but the Powered Bad Guys seems to aid the Balance.

My bad. Though I will generally say that adding more power is what makes the games less competitive but more an excercize of setting up solitaire games. More and more power doesn't balance the game. It just changes the dynamics and makes the game more puzzley. Making the game puzzley is anything but balancing. That's what I like about the witch. The witch takes huge amounts of power away from both sides. While at the same time allowing him to collect information. He potentially finds a master if they don't make a kill that night. That's is an insteresting dynamic to me.

I don't understand your batch o' questions re: the Witch.

Remus West wrote:Why would the Witch want to "prephone in" a curse when events might change the players mind about who needs to be cursed?

Specifically because of the siblings. The Witch stopping their power 3/4 of the way through the night makes the witch stopping the siblings silly. The stopage also relies on Raven getting the message and then forwarding it, which takes even more time.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:56 pm

I will volunteer myself if you can't find enough. If you get enough I'll sit this one out due to crazies.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:39 am

revised

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:03 am

*nudge*

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:37 am

Could this be it, has the WW variant game jumped the shark?

I'm thinking of joining, just not sure of how much time I'd have right now to put into the game.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:36 am

Lassr wrote:Could this be it, has the WW variant game jumped the shark?

I'm thinking of joining, just not sure of how much time I'd have right now to put into the game.

The Angel of Cool: Wears a leather jacket and can eliminate one player by declaring him Aaaaaaaaaay Not Cool.

Potsie Weber: Rich! Rich!
Ralph Malph: Come quick!
Richie Cunningham: What? Is there something wrong?
Potsie Weber: It's a shark!
Ralph Malph: The Fonz...
Richie Cunningham: Fonz got eaten by a shark?
Potsie Weber: He did? Who said that?
Ralph Malph: Not me! What're you talking about?
Richie Cunningham: Well, you just said "The shark..."!
Ralph Malph: Nooo! Listen! The Fonz is gonna jump *over* a shark!
Richie Cunningham: A shark? That is the *stupidest* thing I have ever heard!
Fonzie: Stupid, yes. Also dumb. But it is something I've gotta do.
Richie Cunningham: Fonz, you're not jumping over garbage cans on a bike. You're jumping over a shark. On nothing! On a couple of little skis! One little slip and chomp! Chomp! Chomp!
Fonzie: Thanks a lot for your support. Look, I was challenged. I gotta jump.

Krash · Post by **Krash** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:14 am

Fonzie Jumps the Shark

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:34 pm

well, am sad to say this..but am no longer in, but out.

Obviously its no longer the cool thing to do, and quite passe. And in all honesty i cant be associated with things that are just plainly out of fashion.

/puts on his yellow jumpsuit

All seriousness, i do have to withdraw my name from this, since I am going to be moving here shortly, and doubt if i will be able to give this appropriate attention. Sorry CR.

/puts on his purple, star shaped sunglasses, and walks out.

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:34 am

project is winding down. should have some spare time now.

I'll play.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:39 am

revised

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:21 am

Lassr wrote:Could this be it, has the WW variant game jumped the shark?

I'm thinking of joining, just not sure of how much time I'd have right now to put into the game.

nah, Not a jump the shark issue.

I'd simply say not everyone has a "play every single game" kinda schedule is all. and I'm sure others simply have to take a break every once and again.

I was buried under a major project the past 3 weeks.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:29 am

revised

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:31 am

Chaosraven wrote:I think it'd be cool if some ran a 10 player, 2 normal bad guy, 1 normal seer, 1 killed first night, no variant stuff.

I have been thinking about doing that. Help bring the newbies in a little.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:52 am

Remus West wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:I think it'd be cool if some ran a 10 player, 2 normal bad guy, 1 normal seer, 1 killed first night, no variant stuff.
I have been thinking about doing that. Help bring the newbies in a little.

I also had started working on a smaller game based on Invasion of the Body Snatchers but stopped when I saw Chaos had started a game. It had 10 or 12 players, 2 bad guys and 2 specials.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:55 am

Lassr wrote:
Remus West wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:I think it'd be cool if some ran a 10 player, 2 normal bad guy, 1 normal seer, 1 killed first night, no variant stuff.
I have been thinking about doing that. Help bring the newbies in a little.
I also had started working on a smaller game based on Invasion of the Body Snatchers but stopped when I saw Chaos had started a game. It had 10 or 12 players, 2 bad guys and 2 specials.

I'm not working on a game, I was going to rip off the original. 11 players: 2 werewolves, 1 seer, 8 villagers. PMing allowed. No rules about what you can say when. Full on back to basics.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:02 am

revised

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:09 am

Chaosraven wrote:Well hell, go ahead and start one.

It'll probably be over by the time the signup finishes for this one

We shall see. Let the race begin.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:12 am

Yeah, I've been holding off my game for a while. I figure there will be a nice lull at some point in the summer. I'm in no rush.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 9:52 am

If you need someone to play, I will. However, during the week I will likely be unable to participate during work hours... If you get someone else who wants to play before the game starts, bump me.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon May 07, 2007 9:49 am

*ahem*

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Mon May 07, 2007 9:52 am

Ok count me in for this one.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Mon May 07, 2007 10:13 am

withdraw Grundbegriff

Ralph Wiggum

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon May 07, 2007 1:18 pm

Play the game, play the game! Men of OO, of EBG, my brothers! I see in your posts the same fear that would lynch the best of us. A day may come when the courage of Innocents fails, when we forsake our forum games and delete all posts of Werewolf Variants, but it is not this day. A game of loss and spurious accusations, when the age of WW tumbles off the first page! But it is not this day! This day we play! By all those you wish to hang in this good Game, I bid you *play, Men of OO!*

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon May 07, 2007 1:21 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Play the game, play the game! Men of OO, of EBG, my brothers! I see in your posts the same fear that would lynch the best of us. A day may come when the courage of Innocents fails, when we forsake our forum games and delete all posts of Werewolf Variants, but it is not this day. A game of loss and spurious accusations, when the age of WW tumbles off the first page! But it is not this day! This day we play! By all those you wish to hang in this good Game, I bid you *play, Men of OO!*

Watched LotR on TNT last night, did you?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon May 07, 2007 1:26 pm

revised

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:45 am

revised

Kraegor · Post by **Kraegor** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:03 am

Revised wrote: Revised

Revised.

what the hell have i signed up for?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:09 am

No body is currently signed up.

Aw crap.

I could have just started a New Thread with New Rules, couldn't I?

Dang.