Octopus Overlords

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

Arcanis wrote:I heard about these people on the radio the other day and wanted to do my due diligence and see it for myself. They really are out of their minds if they honestly want all of these demands.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

Honestly some of the demands I could understand, even if I disagree, and have a dialog on, at least until they go about expressing how it should be implemented. The methods they want show that reality has no bearing on what these people's demands are.


As a side note while looking for this information one of the first articles I found was a blog by the Huffington post. First I don't know how google could mistake this for news reporting. Second what the hell is she babbling about? The title is "What Occupy Wall Street Wants" and then doesn't even mention their list of demands.

silverjon wrote:Isn't this the thing Fed posted when commenting "AND A POOOOOOOOOONYYY"?

noxiousdog wrote:According to NPR they are doing their voting with Jazz Hands.

Arcanis wrote:Ah I hadn't been reading the Day of Rage thread.

I guess my thread can die, but those people are still Nucking Futs!

msduncan wrote:To compare these people to the Tea Party movement is ridiculous and dishonest.

msduncan wrote:To compare these people to the Tea Party movement is ridiculous and dishonest.

msduncan wrote:To compare these people to the Tea Party movement is ridiculous and dishonest.

LawBeefaroni wrote:

msduncan wrote:To compare these people to the Tea Party movement is ridiculous and dishonest.

Yet if they got together with the Tea Party and focused on the 50%+ of their objectives that are the exact same, they could both get some serious shit accomplished. But no. Neither side wants to dirty themselves with the other's largely philosophical differences.

Kraken wrote:

LawBeefaroni wrote:

msduncan wrote:To compare these people to the Tea Party movement is ridiculous and dishonest.

Yet if they got together with the Tea Party and focused on the 50%+ of their objectives that are the exact same, they could both get some serious shit accomplished. But no. Neither side wants to dirty themselves with the other's largely philosophical differences.

Both groups feel marginalized, angry, and disenfranchised. So if the left and the right wings both feel this way, whose interests does Washington represent? There's your common ground.

Arcanis wrote:I heard about these people on the radio the other day and wanted to do my due diligence and see it for myself. They really are out of their minds if they honestly want all of these demands.

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

Honestly some of the demands I could understand, even if I disagree, and have a dialog on, at least until they go about expressing how it should be implemented. The methods they want show that reality has no bearing on what these people's demands are.


As a side note while looking for this information one of the first articles I found was a blog by the Huffington post. First I don't know how google could mistake this for news reporting. Second what the hell is she babbling about? The title is "What Occupy Wall Street Wants" and then doesn't even mention their list of demands.

LawBeefaroni wrote:

Kraken wrote:

LawBeefaroni wrote:

msduncan wrote:To compare these people to the Tea Party movement is ridiculous and dishonest.

Yet if they got together with the Tea Party and focused on the 50%+ of their objectives that are the exact same, they could both get some serious shit accomplished. But no. Neither side wants to dirty themselves with the other's largely philosophical differences.

Both groups feel marginalized, angry, and disenfranchised. So if the left and the right wings both feel this way, whose interests does Washington represent? There's your common ground.

I know it's there. I'm saying they will never cooperate because the two-party paradigm dominates everyone's thinking when it comes to anything political.

LawBeefaroni wrote:

Kraken wrote:

LawBeefaroni wrote:

msduncan wrote:To compare these people to the Tea Party movement is ridiculous and dishonest.

Yet if they got together with the Tea Party and focused on the 50%+ of their objectives that are the exact same, they could both get some serious shit accomplished. But no. Neither side wants to dirty themselves with the other's largely philosophical differences.

Both groups feel marginalized, angry, and disenfranchised. So if the left and the right wings both feel this way, whose interests does Washington represent? There's your common ground.

I know it's there. I'm saying they will never cooperate because the two-party paradigm dominates everyone's thinking when it comes to anything political.

Zarathud wrote:Reading the postings by occupywallstreet.org supporters on the "We are the 99%" website last night was heartbreaking.

Kraken wrote:I agree; "us" and "them" are pretty rigidly defined in most people's minds.

Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
And the General sat, as the lines on the map
Moved from side to side

hepcat wrote: 1) Lawbeef to coach me on the ways of women. His "Why don't you carve me off a kiss' comment at Octocon in regards to the carving station girl at the Jolly Inn proved he's an almost Barry White figure in the world of Lotharios.

GreenGoo wrote:
Is this true? Because it is *awesome*!

Damn Lawbeef.

Holman wrote:So... These things have been going on for a significant number of days. I really expected silly violence before now--not because I think this is some kind of inherently violent movement (or even one that thinks it's starting a revolution), but because the laws of boredom and narrative interest would seem to trend that way.

Whatever else is involved, they have more discipline than I would have given them credit for.

Smoove_B wrote:Occupy the streets of NYC for 6+ months? To quote you GRRM fanboys, "Winter is coming."

Smoove_B wrote:Occupy the streets of NYC for 6+ months? To quote you GRRM fanboys, "Winter is coming."

Smoove_B wrote:Occupy the streets of NYC for 6+ months? To quote you GRRM fanboys, "Winter is coming."

msduncan wrote:To compare these people to the Tea Party movement is ridiculous and dishonest.

Kraken wrote:

Smoove_B wrote:Occupy the streets of NYC for 6+ months? To quote you GRRM fanboys, "Winter is coming."

I don't expect to see conflict/violence until next summer, assuming that the economy is still dead in the water, Congress remains paralyzed, and presidential campaign rhetoric further inflames people. This might not happen if it's a milquetoast Obama v Romney matchup, unless both of them play to the extremes.

LawBeefaroni wrote:I think he means literal winter. It's going to get cold in NYC.