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Technically speaking, Kim didn't say anything in his speech since it was all translatedMax Peck wrote:Technically, Kim himself didn't call Trump a dotard; the hero of the day is the anonymous Nork translator that converted the original Korean text to English. Apparently the literal translation would be something along the line of "old beast lunatic."
Especially since Trump wants to back out of the Iran deal. It shows that American cannot be trusted to keep their promises.Moliere wrote:Why would NK ever abandon their nukes? We've been trying to bribe/strongarm them against getting nukes for decades and it hasn't worked.Kraken wrote:The burden of proof is on Trump to show that he's not a mentally deranged dotard. If the end goal is to convince NK to abandon its nuclear deterrent, threatening them with annihilation is not constructive.
I was going to mention Iran as an example of a regime freezing its nuclear program to win international acceptance, but yeah, Trump is undermining that, too. I doubt that anyone expects NK to give up what it's already achieved, but it might consider forgoing future testing and deployment after it can reliably deter US aggression.Grifman wrote:Especially since Trump wants to back out of the Iran deal. It shows that American cannot be trusted to keep their promises.Moliere wrote:Why would NK ever abandon their nukes? We've been trying to bribe/strongarm them against getting nukes for decades and it hasn't worked.Kraken wrote:The burden of proof is on Trump to show that he's not a mentally deranged dotard. If the end goal is to convince NK to abandon its nuclear deterrent, threatening them with annihilation is not constructive.
You throw out NK cheating and I'll throw out Libya and South Africa as examples of successful denuclearization. Just because NK cheated does not logically mean that Iran is.Rip wrote:Yea, I remember the same kind of comments back when they thought NK honored their agreement. Then the truth came out.
Should be fun to find out what the argument for these stupid agreements will be when it becomes obvious that Iran hasn't frozen shit. We never learn it seems.
Of course, if anything should convince NK and Iran to give up nuclear weapons pursuit.Grifman wrote:You throw out NK cheating and I'll throw out Libya and South Africa as examples of successful denuclearization. Just because NK cheated does not logically mean that Iran is.Rip wrote:Yea, I remember the same kind of comments back when they thought NK honored their agreement. Then the truth came out.
Should be fun to find out what the argument for these stupid agreements will be when it becomes obvious that Iran hasn't frozen shit. We never learn it seems.
Of course Iran is happy they get the rejoin and still get to do pretty much everything they were doing before. Iran is just a generation behind NK, they still have us believing the lie. Iran just past the stage NK was in 1994. At the end of this agreement we will go through the same dance we went through with NK in 2007/2008.Holman wrote:Iran has spent decades as a pariah state, and they know how much it cripples them. They have an economy with potential and an educated middle class eager to make it happen. They understand that the deal makes it possible for them to rejoin the global community.
NK has nothing but pariah state to go with. That's the difference.
That does nothing to disprove my point that Libya and South Africa are examples of successful nuclearization.Rip wrote:Of course, if anything should convince NK and Iran to give up nuclear weapons pursuit.Grifman wrote:You throw out NK cheating and I'll throw out Libya and South Africa as examples of successful denuclearization. Just because NK cheated does not logically mean that Iran is.Rip wrote:Yea, I remember the same kind of comments back when they thought NK honored their agreement. Then the truth came out.
Should be fun to find out what the argument for these stupid agreements will be when it becomes obvious that Iran hasn't frozen shit. We never learn it seems.
That should do it.
How many times has it failed in the past. I should also add as successful examples all of the ex-Soviet Republics that also gave up the former Soviet nukes stationed in their territories. As far as I know, the firner agreement with NK is the only to have failed so far. Can you name any others since you seem to think this is a trend?Rip wrote:How many times do we need to see this approach fail?
I know of at least one ex-Soviet Republic who wishes that hadn't given them up......Grifman wrote:How many times has it failed in the past. I should also add as successful examples all of the ex-Soviet Republics that also gave up the former Soviet nukes stationed in their territories. As far as I know, the firner agreement with NK is the only to have failed so far. Can you name any others since you seem to think this is a trend?Rip wrote:How many times do we need to see this approach fail?
The view from his submarine is rather limited.Zarathud wrote:Rip is psychic from all his time on Drudge.
Or shell shocked. Not sure.
He is certainly trying to provoke a confrontation, and it's likely to get a lot of Koreans killed on both sides of the border.Captain Caveman wrote:https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 4169823232
He’s going to kill us all, isn’t he?
Thats not a septic tank.Zarathud wrote:A submarine or septic tank?
North Korea's foreign minister has accused US President Donald Trump of declaring war on his country.
Ri Yong-ho told reporters in New York that North Korea reserved the right to shoot down US bombers.
This applied even when they were not in North Korean airspace, the minister added. The world "should clearly remember" it was the US that first declared war, Mr Ri said.
The two sides have been engaged in an increasingly angry war of words.
Er, it's my understanding that the US and NK have never not been at war. Well, not since before the war anyway.Unagi wrote:North Korea's foreign minister just accused Trump of declaring war on NK and says they have the right now to shoot down our bombers...
If we don't know it yet how can you proclaim it? Your entire post is so full of stupidity it boggles the mind.Rip wrote:The Iran deal has failed already, just that we don't know it because the deal didn't even meet the most basic of requirements. They have violated it but the inspection protocol is so weak that we don't even know it yet.
All of them would be my early estimate.hepcat wrote:I wonder how many of their kids have to die in a conflict escalated over effing Twitter before Trump's hardcore supporters wake up to the fact that they voted for an idiot?
"Don't let their deaths be in vain" has led to a lot of dying in vain.Remus West wrote:All of them would be my early estimate.hepcat wrote:I wonder how many of their kids have to die in a conflict escalated over effing Twitter before Trump's hardcore supporters wake up to the fact that they voted for an idiot?
<spits coffee all over keyboard>Chaz wrote:Pretty sure it's a propane tank. I've got one sitting next to my house.
It does seem appropriate that Rip would be captain of a vessel full of gas under pressure, ready to explode when exposed to flame.
Anecdotally, most of my Trump supporter friends are wondering why the hell we haven't bombed them yet. I'm guessing *actually* going to war would be like Christmas morning for them.hepcat wrote:I wonder how many of their kids have to die in a conflict escalated over effing Twitter before Trump's hardcore supporters wake up to the fact that they voted for an idiot?
Do they know about South Korea? It's not us that will take the bruntYellowKing wrote:Anecdotally, most of my Trump supporter friends are wondering why the hell we haven't bombed them yet. I'm guessing *actually* going to war would be like Christmas morning for them.hepcat wrote:I wonder how many of their kids have to die in a conflict escalated over effing Twitter before Trump's hardcore supporters wake up to the fact that they voted for an idiot?
Fun fact: None of them have kids actively serving in the military.
Chaz wrote:It does seem appropriate that Rip would be captain of a vessel full of gas under pressure, ready to explode when exposed to flame.
While it's probably a bit different with Trump in office, NK loves to randomly declare war over any perceived slight.Unagi wrote:North Korea's foreign minister just accused Trump of declaring war on NK and says they have the right now to shoot down our bombers...
China on Thursday ordered North Korean companies in the country to close down within 120 days of the United Nations Security Council's passage of the latest of sanctions on Sept. 12.
The decision, made public on the website of China's commerce ministry, is seen as part of its efforts to intensify pressure on the reclusive state to give up nuclear weapons. It will also apply to China-North Korea joint ventures, it said.
This past weekend, President Trump put in a busy week of golf, bestowing golf trophies, and tweeting insults at Puerto Ricans devastated by Hurricane Maria. But he made sure to take at least five minutes of his time to undercut his secretary of state, Rex Tillerson:
I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 1, 2017
…Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 1, 2017
Being nice to Rocket Man hasn't worked in 25 years, why would it work now? Clinton failed, Bush failed, and Obama failed. I won't fail.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 1, 2017
I hope that the only thing these tweets accomplished was that they kneecapped Tillerson. Because if Pyongyang takes them seriously, then everyone is in trouble.
Please understand that Trump’s tweets are actually worse than the rhetoric he deployed in his demented U.N. General Assembly speech, in which he said, “Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime.” For all of the recklessness of that speech, however, those threats to North Korea were contingent: “If it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea.” As bad as that language is, the message was that the military option would be a response to further DPRK provocation.
There is no contingency in Trump’s tweets over the weekend, and that is a serious problem. It signals to North Korea that nothing sort of abject acquiescence will stop the militarization of the crisis.
@NateSilver538 wrote:If Trump's rash statements & tweets increase the risk of nuclear war from say 2% to 10% that's bigger than almost any other story right now
@ollie wrote:almost?
@NateSilver538 wrote:I wouldn't say it's as important as the use of a private email server. But pretty far up there.
A state-owned Russian telecommunications firm has given North Korea a new Internet connection, potentially increasing Pyongyang's ability to stage cyberattacks and protect the embattled country's online infrastructure.
The new connection was first spotted by Internet analysts at Oracle Dyn, who noted that a new connection for North Koreans provided by the Russian firm TransTeleCom appeared in Internet routing databases about 5:38 p.m. Pyongyang time Sunday.
The new connection appears to supplement a connection run by China Unicom that has operated since 2010. With two connections, experts argue, North Korean Internet users could expect a higher international bandwidth capacity as well as a greater ability to withstand attacks.
“In practical terms, [having multiple connections] will allow additional resiliency if one of those connections were to be rendered inactive for any number of reasons,” said Doug Madory, director of Internet analysis at Oracle Dyn.
The new connection “will improve the resiliency of their network and increase their ability to conduct command and control over those activities,” Bryce Boland, cybersecurity firm FireEye’s chief technology office for the Asia-Pacific region, told Reuters.
On Saturday, The Washington Post reported that a U.S. Cyber Command operation had targeted hackers at North Korea’s military spy agency, the Reconnaissance General Bureau. The U.S. operation used what is known as a denial-of-service attack, choking off access to the Internet for North Korean users. It ended Saturday, shortly before North Korea's new Internet connection went online.