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Enemies? That mindset is why we're in the mess we're in. It works if you want a bloodbath of a civil war. It doesn't work for any other solution.

Pump the hate brakes, Thanos.
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Awful lot of those vunerable targets are actually the diehard SS of this new fascist America.
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Wait a minute - since when were Republicans enemies with Russia? I hate these hypocrites.
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I don't know how we see political healing in this country when monsters like Kennedy and McCarthy and Trump are the norm in the GOP. This country has a grave shadow over it and very few seem willing to confront it. And Brown tried to injection reason at the end of the clip but Kennedy clearly wanted the Foxnews soundbite of her admitting to being a communist.
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Eh I expect nothing less from them at this point. Hell in Florida they killed people in droves over the summer and he's getting more popular. So do they actually think this will pass the senate? I really see Manchin doing the famous thumbs down McCain style.
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The deficit hit is smaller than the infrastructure bill but I still expect Manchinema to croon about it like the hypocrites they are. They will extract some corruption based cuts and pass it though.
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malchior wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:53 amAnd Brown tried to injection reason at the end of the clip but Kennedy clearly wanted the Foxnews soundbite of her admitting to being a communist.
DIAF. He didn't get his soundbite so he just lied about it. I'm at about an 8 on the Drazzil scale on Kennedy right now.

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malchior wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:20 am He didn't get his soundbite so he just lied about it.
Wow. Just bald faced lied right to everyone like it's nothing and not easily verifiable. Kennedy don't care and his voters don't care. What does it take for a nation to recover from shitstains like that?
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Did paid family leave stay in? That would be a huge deal considering you know every other flipping country in the known universe has it. It's so confusing as to what is in and out anymore. :lol:
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malchior wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:53 am I don't know how we see political healing in this country when monsters like Kennedy and McCarthy and Trump are the norm in the GOP. This country has a grave shadow over it and very few seem willing to confront it. And Brown tried to injection reason at the end of the clip but Kennedy clearly wanted the Foxnews soundbite of her admitting to being a communist.
Yeah, I think one of the big projects for the 21st century is going to be rebuilding America's political and constitutional institutions to make them more fair and representative (and functional). I expect that we'll get there at some point (we did manage to come back from a bitter multi-year civil war), but the question is how much pain and suffering will we have to endure on the way.
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Octavious wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:33 am Did paid family leave stay in? That would be a huge deal considering you know every other flipping country in the known universe has it. It's so confusing as to what is in and out anymore. :lol:
I believe they added in a paltry 4 weeks, which the Senate will now cut.
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The one thing that if I'm reading it correctly that will bite them in the ass is the nicotine tax. It looks like vapers will get a gigantic tax increase. It's really not super clear to me, but one example I saw was something that cost 15 dollars would now cost 45. That could just be a lot of BS, but if it's even remotely true it's going to piss a lot of people off. And would fly in the face of saying no tax increases. Sure you don't have to vape, but it will not make them popular.
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Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:39 am
Octavious wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:33 am Did paid family leave stay in? That would be a huge deal considering you know every other flipping country in the known universe has it. It's so confusing as to what is in and out anymore. :lol:
I believe they added in a paltry 4 weeks, which the Senate will now cut.
I know they'll cut it, and I know that other countries have much more in family leave...but just going from 0 to 4 weeks would be a huge, huge deal. There's so much going on in that first four weeks, especially for one's first kid, that having that time off from work makes such a big difference.
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It's real strange that our birthrates have plunged, right? Society has made it so easy to work and have a family nowadays. We can't tack on a tiny FLI tax to cover them. That's socialism. Welp guess we need to coerce them to have those kids instead.
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El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:41 pm
Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:39 am
Octavious wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:33 am Did paid family leave stay in? That would be a huge deal considering you know every other flipping country in the known universe has it. It's so confusing as to what is in and out anymore. :lol:
I believe they added in a paltry 4 weeks, which the Senate will now cut.
I know they'll cut it, and I know that other countries have much more in family leave...but just going from 0 to 4 weeks would be a huge, huge deal. There's so much going on in that first four weeks, especially for one's first kid, that having that time off from work makes such a big difference.
Understood, but hard to get excited about when we already have 12 weeks in MA. I imagine Manchin killing PFML will spur other blue states to implement their own programs.
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YellowKing wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:27 am Wait a minute - since when were Republicans enemies with Russia? I hate these hypocrites.
They hated the Soviets for all the central planning and anticapitalism.

They love Russia for the kleptocratic oligarchal authoritarianism.
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Holman wrote:
YellowKing wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:27 am Wait a minute - since when were Republicans enemies with Russia? I hate these hypocrites.
They hated the Soviets for all the central planning and anticapitalism.

They love Russia for the kleptocratic oligarchal authoritarianism.
Let's not forget the hate for banishing religion. That was a huge part of the godless communist narrative.
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Pyperkub wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:13 pm
Holman wrote:
YellowKing wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:27 am Wait a minute - since when were Republicans enemies with Russia? I hate these hypocrites.
They hated the Soviets for all the central planning and anticapitalism.

They love Russia for the kleptocratic oligarchal authoritarianism.
Let's not forget the hate for banishing religion. That was a huge part of the godless communist narrative.
Right. And Putin has been harnessing the Russian Orthodox church for purely nationalistic purposes.

Right-wing American evangelicals are reading the script.
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El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:34 am
malchior wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:53 am I don't know how we see political healing in this country when monsters like Kennedy and McCarthy and Trump are the norm in the GOP. This country has a grave shadow over it and very few seem willing to confront it. And Brown tried to injection reason at the end of the clip but Kennedy clearly wanted the Foxnews soundbite of her admitting to being a communist.
Yeah, I think one of the big projects for the 21st century is going to be rebuilding America's political and constitutional institutions to make them more fair and representative (and functional). I expect that we'll get there at some point (we did manage to come back from a bitter multi-year civil war), but the question is how much pain and suffering will we have to endure on the way.
As much as our collective cowardice allows us to, and not one bit more.
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El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:34 am
malchior wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:53 am I don't know how we see political healing in this country when monsters like Kennedy and McCarthy and Trump are the norm in the GOP. This country has a grave shadow over it and very few seem willing to confront it. And Brown tried to injection reason at the end of the clip but Kennedy clearly wanted the Foxnews soundbite of her admitting to being a communist.
Yeah, I think one of the big projects for the 21st century is going to be rebuilding America's political and constitutional institutions to make them more fair and representative (and functional). I expect that we'll get there at some point (we did manage to come back from a bitter multi-year civil war), but the question is how much pain and suffering will we have to endure on the way.
You’re making a rather large assumption that people want those institutions rebuilt. I’d argue that a very significant percentage of the population currently wants them to continue to be torn down even further.

And that percentage is currently winning.
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Skinypupy wrote:
El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:34 am
malchior wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:53 am I don't know how we see political healing in this country when monsters like Kennedy and McCarthy and Trump are the norm in the GOP. This country has a grave shadow over it and very few seem willing to confront it. And Brown tried to injection reason at the end of the clip but Kennedy clearly wanted the Foxnews soundbite of her admitting to being a communist.
Yeah, I think one of the big projects for the 21st century is going to be rebuilding America's political and constitutional institutions to make them more fair and representative (and functional). I expect that we'll get there at some point (we did manage to come back from a bitter multi-year civil war), but the question is how much pain and suffering will we have to endure on the way.
You’re making a rather large assumption that people want those institutions rebuilt. I’d argue that a very significant percentage of the population currently wants them to continue to be torn down even further.

And that percentage is currently winning.
Nah, it's the monopolistic money which doesn't want it to change. Bailouts and tax cuts are also financing that destruction.

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Skinypupy wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:59 pm
El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:34 am
malchior wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:53 am I don't know how we see political healing in this country when monsters like Kennedy and McCarthy and Trump are the norm in the GOP. This country has a grave shadow over it and very few seem willing to confront it. And Brown tried to injection reason at the end of the clip but Kennedy clearly wanted the Foxnews soundbite of her admitting to being a communist.
Yeah, I think one of the big projects for the 21st century is going to be rebuilding America's political and constitutional institutions to make them more fair and representative (and functional). I expect that we'll get there at some point (we did manage to come back from a bitter multi-year civil war), but the question is how much pain and suffering will we have to endure on the way.
You’re making a rather large assumption that people want those institutions rebuilt. I’d argue that a very significant percentage of the population currently wants them to continue to be torn down even further.

And that percentage is currently winning.
They're part of what we'll need to overcome.

But to be clear, maybe I should say "reconstituted" or redone. Made to actually work consistently.
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Boebert continues to be a massive chunk of human feces stuffed into a pair of jeans.


"Rejecting an apology and hanging up on someone is part of cancel culture 101, and a pillar of the Democrat Party. Make no mistake, I will continue to put America first, never sympathizing with terrorists," Boebert said in her video. "Unfortunately, Ilhan can't say the same thing, and our country is worse off for it."
Who's the terrorist in her view? Because it sure sounds like she's saying anyone who's a Muslim in that statement.

The Republican Party needs to find its soul and purge its ranks of these people. But I fear that won't be happening any time soon.
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hepcat wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:19 am The Republican Party needs to find its soul and purge its ranks of these people. But I fear that won't be happening any time soon.
She should also be censured and stripped of her committee assignments (affecting her husband's salary), but I don't think McCarthy (I don't think) has said a single thing about her comments. Find their soul? It's long gone.
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I mean this is relatively mild compared to Gosar's bullshit and they were up in arms about the Democrats 'overreaching' when they censured him. We're through the looking glass. The GOP isn't going to self-police.
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This is their soul at this point.
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Find its soul? You’re looking at it! If anything, I think it’s been bared, finally, and we are seeing behavior that up until the past several years I guess has mostly just been in peoples’ heads.

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Smoove_B wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:33 am
hepcat wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:19 am The Republican Party needs to find its soul and purge its ranks of these people. But I fear that won't be happening any time soon.
She should also be censured and stripped of her committee assignments (affecting her husband's salary), but I don't think McCarthy (I don't think) has said a single thing about her comments. Find their soul? It's long gone.
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The Radicalization of the 21st Century GOP is actually accelerating:
In April 2021, Nathaniel Rakich of FiveThirtyEight noted that “Of the 293 Republicans who were serving in the Senate or House on Jan. 20, 2017—the day of Trump’s inauguration—a full 132 (45 percent) are no longer in Congress or have announced their retirement or resignation.” Under pressure from the former president, the party continues to radicalize, with firebrands like Boebert, Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), Matt Gaetz (R-FL), and Gosar gaining influence.

Republican leadership has refused to call out Representative Lauren Boebert (R-CO) for recent Islamophobic statements aimed at Boebert’s colleague Representative Ilhan Omar (D-MN) suggesting she was a terrorist. This, coming on top of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-CA) support for Representative Paul Gosar (R-AZ) after he released a video illustrating himself killing Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and slashing at the president, indicates either that McCarthy has lost control of his caucus or is afraid of it, or both.
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The GOP set the mob on their enemies hoping for a short-term reprieve from the Purge.
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Yep. I think we are seeing the culmination of the culture war that was started decades ago.

Spoiler: the end game is re-establishment of a more patriarchal (read white, male dominant) society, with a LOT of militarization worship and a very healthy dose of authoritarianism thrown in for good measure.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:30 pm Yep. I think we are seeing the culmination of the culture war that was started decades ago.
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Blackhawk wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:16 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:30 pm Yep. I think we are seeing the culmination of the culture war that was started decades ago.
You forgot 'straight' in the list.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:30 pm Yep. I think we are seeing the culmination of the culture war that was started decades ago.
This is why I always say the modern GOP was born as a reaction to the Civil Rights movement, although it's probably more accurate to include the sexual revolution (which led to gay rights) and feminism as well. Eisenhower's Republican Party ceased to exist as Goldwater/Nixon/Reagan embraced disaffected racist Southern Democrats and and the Democrats became the party of a broader, more expansive America.

I'd go as far as to say that America didn't even become a democracy until the Civil Rights Act of 1965, and the GOP has been fighting a rear-guard action against democracy ever since.
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Holman wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:28 pmI'd go as far as to say that America didn't even become a democracy until the Civil Rights Act of 1965, and the GOP has been fighting a rear-guard action against democracy ever since.
I've heard this idea several times and it essentially makes sense. I wouldn't describe it as a rear-guard though. It really was an insurgency effort that was fought in fits and starts with the classic above ground legitimate party supported by an underground dirty tricks network that got more and more capable over time. Unfortunately the Democrats slept through the whole thing.
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Blackhawk wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:16 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 5:30 pm Yep. I think we are seeing the culmination of the culture war that was started decades ago.
You forgot 'straight' in the list.
Right but with the realization that there are a lot of very conservative gay men. Several of the power players in the GOP who've broken ranks over the last few years - Stuart Stevens comes to mind - have commented on how think tanks/messaging gurus were often not straight. They however weren't afraid at all to use 'not straight' as one of many issue wedges to further their political goals.
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