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It really feels like Germany 1932 here sometimes. What we've continued to see isn't so different from the 'stabbed in the back' rhetoric of that time.

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Grifman wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:49 am This so saddens me:

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... epublicans
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It saddens me that he thought the Dems would embrace fascism before the Republicans would.

No, it actually doesn't. He would be a Republican with a need to be afraid of something, anything, so he can shoot his constituents in the foot.
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The obvious Sleaze Ball and quite possibly sex trafficker wins primary in Florida.


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malchior wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:57 pm It really feels like Germany 1932 here sometimes. What we've continued to see isn't so different from the 'stabbed in the back' rhetoric of that time.

He's promoting voting over violence, nominally at least. it's not elegant and there is an undertone of race-baiting but hey, just another mischaracterization in 144 characters or less meant to whip up outrage. No big deal.
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Meanwhile, in Texas, the GOP accepted "book banning" craze has reached the "this ain't funny anymore" level

A school just banned the book written by the person the school was named after.

George Dawson Middle School in Southlake Texas has just banned "Life is So Good" written by George Dawson. Yes, same one.

George Dawson was the grandson of a slave, learned to read at 98, and co-wrote a book about his life when he was 103.

Apparently the school's journalism class has "tabled" the book "until we can talk to the principal". But then, Texas's educational guidance on the Holocaust was "balance it with alternative views".
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:44 pm
malchior wrote: Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:57 pm It really feels like Germany 1932 here sometimes. What we've continued to see isn't so different from the 'stabbed in the back' rhetoric of that time.

He's promoting voting over violence, nominally at least. it's not elegant and there is an undertone of race-baiting but hey, just another mischaracterization in 144 characters or less meant to whip up outrage. No big deal.
I'm a little confused here. How can a word for word quote be a mischaracterization of what he said? This is not some 6-second cut out of context. This is a fairly long snippet of the speech. Enough to see at least that he used the violent imagery and race-baiting often used to delegitimize opposition. The word nominally is accurate.
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I normally agree that tweets can be misleading, but this one seems on the money.
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It's really scary how close the Loomer race was.

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It's sad that it's a relief that a far-right election denier won over a far, far right election denier.
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Straight from Momma’s basement:

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An interesting look at what the transition to Fox News Republicans had truly meant:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... m-00053991
despite all that Fox’s detractors said about the network being a mouthpiece for the Republican Party, the two organizations had fundamentally different aims.
Good politics is often bad TV. As much as we rightly lament the decline of the American electorate’s aspirations and expectations, at least a plurality of voters still clearly prefer competency, cooperation and decency. And what could be more boring than that?
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Pyperkub wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:57 pm An interesting look at what the transition to Fox News Republicans had truly meant:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... m-00053991
That's pure Deathwatch material. Fox's news division was a relatively staid information gathering and reporting function tied to a misinformation cult. It was only a matter of time before it'd come to a head.
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Good lord.

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Trump's doing great.

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It gets even weirder. He's also reposting fake quotes from his own daughter.

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It is almost entirely thanks to trump that Republicans are not only going to be denied their red wave, but Democrats actually have a narrow path to keep their majorities. Keep spouting that lunacy!
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I guess the real question is whether, if he actually gets indicted, Trump will keep his calls for violence implicit or just declare for armed MAGA resistance.

I don't think there's any doubt that he's willing to burn America down in order to keep himself on top.
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IN some ways, it is very hard to argue that it isn't.
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But no matter what the motivation, the result is the same. It’s sedition. So anyone who wants to throw in with Trump on the “oh he doesn’t really mean it” tip is signing up for sedition and rejects the Constitution.

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Signs of anger against the GOP are showing up everywhere. Alaska's special election has voted in a newbie Democrat, Mary Peltola, for the house seat, that had been red since the 1970s, and her opponent was Sarah Palin, one of the more famous GOPers around who had a history WITH Alaska. Even reporters try to reason that "people are just tired of Palin". They can't contemplate that it's a ground swell that'll capsize the GOP except in some true red states that actually think these increasingly Christian-Taliban policies are actually going to SAVE them instead of SINK them.

The sucky part is this special election was only for 4 months, since the seat will be up for election AGAIN in November.
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Let's be clear Cotton knows what happened. A good chunk of folks voted for Bergin and their second choice was Not Palin. The result was more democratic but the message he intentionally chose is any election that the Democrats win is illegitimate.

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Yeah I can't imagine getting a politician you don't want even though a higher percentage of people voted for the other person. That's rough. :violin:
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Signs that GOP had gone off the rails:

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We don't have to label them. They have labeled themselves.

Didn't help when Louie Gohmert (R-TX) flew to Miami to present a US flag that flew over the Capitol to Simone Gold, who just got out of Fed Jail for her role in Jan 6th.

Yes, we have Texas Republican congressman openly honoring rioters and insurrectionists who tried to storm Congress. F- that.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:00 pm https://www.conservative.org/video/cpac ... 022-day-3/

5h31m mark

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YellowKing wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:11 am Yeah I can't imagine getting a politician you don't want even though a higher percentage of people voted for the other person. That's rough. :violin:
That's just mental gymnastics and equivocation. Cotton was IMPLYING that if you vote R the winner should be R. But he's trying to obfuscate / neglect-to-mention that there were TWO R candidates vs. 1 D candidate on the ballot. The fact that R failed to force one candidate to drop out as not to dilute the votes was simply not mentioned. Blame the constituents, not their own strategy. It's NEVER GOP's fault that they lost.

Didn't Kemp accused Dem's of cheating when he described exactly what Reps did in the previous election, and now Dem's returning the favor?

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Kasey Chang wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:42 am
YellowKing wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:11 am Yeah I can't imagine getting a politician you don't want even though a higher percentage of people voted for the other person. That's rough. :violin:
That's just mental gymnastics and equivocation. Cotton was IMPLYING that if you vote R the winner should be R. But he's trying to obfuscate / neglect-to-mention that there were TWO R candidates vs. 1 D candidate on the ballot. The fact that R failed to force one candidate to drop out as not to dilute the votes was simply not mentioned. Blame the constituents, not their own strategy. It's NEVER GOP's fault that they lost.

Didn't Kemp accused Dem's of cheating when he described exactly what Reps did in the previous election, and now Dem's returning the favor?

Entitled losers.
The thing is that the Democrats didn't win because Republicans split their vote, which is what Cotton is kind of trying to make it sound like. Because of ranked choice voting, voters were asked to rank their preferences in terms of which candidate that they wanted 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. So the Democrat won not because Republicans split their votes among Republicans, but because enough Republicans who voted for the losing Republican picked the Democratic candidate as their second choice, instead of Sarah Palin.

But anytime a Republican loses, they want to revise the electorate so that they have to choose a Republican next time.
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El Guapo wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:37 pm
Kasey Chang wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:42 am That's just mental gymnastics and equivocation. Cotton was IMPLYING that if you vote R the winner should be R. But he's trying to obfuscate / neglect-to-mention that there were TWO R candidates vs. 1 D candidate on the ballot. The fact that R failed to force one candidate to drop out as not to dilute the votes was simply not mentioned. Blame the constituents, not their own strategy. It's NEVER GOP's fault that they lost.
The thing is that the Democrats didn't win because Republicans split their vote, which is what Cotton is kind of trying to make it sound like. Because of ranked choice voting, voters were asked to rank their preferences in terms of which candidate that they wanted 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. So the Democrat won not because Republicans split their votes among Republicans, but because enough Republicans who voted for the losing Republican picked the Democratic candidate as their second choice, instead of Sarah Palin.

But anytime a Republican loses, they want to revise the electorate so that they have to choose a Republican next time.
And depending on how you read the vote, that PROVES the point: enough Republican voters felt "if my guy doesn't win then my vote goes to the Dems". They are NOT voting party line. And whose fault is that? The Republican party, of course. The loser should have dropped out and endorsed the other candidate to ensure their win. They didn't. They lost. And they're blaming the system instead of themselves.
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It's cool that now DeSantis is joining Abbott laughing it up by shipping human beings to own the libs.

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DeSantis and Abbot are all about the political theater these days. They know they need to outdo Trump if they want to continue down the path they’ve chosen (extremism). They’d sell their own families into slavery to keep skin in the game.
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hepcat wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:30 pm DeSantis and Abbot are all about the political theater these days. They know they need to outdo Trump if they want to continue down the path they’ve chosen (extremism). They’d sell their own families into slavery to keep skin color in the game.
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malchior wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:21 pm It's cool that now DeSantis is joining Abbott laughing it up by shipping human beings to own the libs.

Do these migrants go willingly? Are they forced onto the plane and then just abandoned at the airport?
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Alefroth wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:55 pm Do these migrants go willingly? Are they forced onto the plane and then just abandoned at the airport?
I'd take a free ride to the Vineyard. But MV is quite tony and there's no work in the off-season, so I reckon they'll be on a ferry to the mainland pretty soon. The Cape would have loved more laborers before the season ended, if they could have figured out where to house them.
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Kraken wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:33 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:55 pm Do these migrants go willingly? Are they forced onto the plane and then just abandoned at the airport?
I'd take a free ride to the Vineyard. But MV is quite tony and there's no work in the off-season, so I reckon they'll be on a ferry to the mainland pretty soon. The Cape would have loved more laborers before the season ended, if they could have figured out where to house them.
I kind of assume that the migrants are re-arrested fairly promptly? I can't imagine that the arrival of the planes was a complete surprise to anyone. And all DeSantis cares about is the "own the libs" headline, so I don't think he's exactly inclined to help the migrants evade arrest after arrival.
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The way to handle this bullshit is to run targeted ads in Florida and Texas accusing their Governors of using government funds to assist illegal aliens seeking asylum in the US. Giving a free ride and assisting illegal immigration — with you tax dollars. Why does DeSantis help the traffickers, and not you?

They do it to own the libs and boost their standing with the conservative base. So turn it against them.
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El Guapo wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:47 am
Kraken wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:33 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:55 pm Do these migrants go willingly? Are they forced onto the plane and then just abandoned at the airport?
I'd take a free ride to the Vineyard. But MV is quite tony and there's no work in the off-season, so I reckon they'll be on a ferry to the mainland pretty soon. The Cape would have loved more laborers before the season ended, if they could have figured out where to house them.
I kind of assume that the migrants are re-arrested fairly promptly? I can't imagine that the arrival of the planes was a complete surprise to anyone. And all DeSantis cares about is the "own the libs" headline, so I don't think he's exactly inclined to help the migrants evade arrest after arrival.
Boston is a sanctuary city, so I don't think arrest is in the cards. If I understand it correctly we don't arrest people who are waiting for a hearing anyway. And unless DeSatan is sending us the lowest dregs, these folks will have no trouble finding jobs, if we can house them.
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El Guapo wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:47 am
Kraken wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:33 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:55 pm Do these migrants go willingly? Are they forced onto the plane and then just abandoned at the airport?
I'd take a free ride to the Vineyard. But MV is quite tony and there's no work in the off-season, so I reckon they'll be on a ferry to the mainland pretty soon. The Cape would have loved more laborers before the season ended, if they could have figured out where to house them.
I kind of assume that the migrants are re-arrested fairly promptly? I can't imagine that the arrival of the planes was a complete surprise to anyone. And all DeSantis cares about is the "own the libs" headline, so I don't think he's exactly inclined to help the migrants evade arrest after arrival.
It was a surprise. Desantis notified Fox News for an exclusive story but no one else. And as noted, the whole reason he sends to sanctuary cities/states is because he knows it's a huge disruption. They don't have the same federally funded resources that Texas and Florida do to deal with sudden bus/plane loads of migrants.
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Kraken wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:42 am
El Guapo wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:47 am
Kraken wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:33 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:55 pm Do these migrants go willingly? Are they forced onto the plane and then just abandoned at the airport?
I'd take a free ride to the Vineyard. But MV is quite tony and there's no work in the off-season, so I reckon they'll be on a ferry to the mainland pretty soon. The Cape would have loved more laborers before the season ended, if they could have figured out where to house them.
I kind of assume that the migrants are re-arrested fairly promptly? I can't imagine that the arrival of the planes was a complete surprise to anyone. And all DeSantis cares about is the "own the libs" headline, so I don't think he's exactly inclined to help the migrants evade arrest after arrival.
unless DeSatan is sending us the lowest dregs.
Not sending his best and brightest. Mostly rapists and murderers.
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