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I think, overall, we've captured the decline of the GOP quite well in this thread.

However, they haven't hit bottom yet. Pretty damn depressing actually.
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We should send a copy of the thread to all of them. :twisted:
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As expected. I think this is the first out in the open acknowledgement of the political reality we face.

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Oh you had to know that was coming. What exactly will they impeach him on? Not being popular? Doesn't matter as long as they can do it. I wish Cruz would quit too and join Nunez. I'm sure that will work out well.
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Octavious wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 3:17 pm Oh you had to know that was coming. What exactly will they impeach him on? Not being popular?
Probably for being a Democrat. Pretty sure they consider that worse than being a traitor. :wink:
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Just one, Ted?
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Octavious wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 3:17 pm Oh you had to know that was coming. What exactly will they impeach him on? Not being popular? Doesn't matter as long as they can do it. I wish Cruz would quit too and join Nunez. I'm sure that will work out well.
The short answer is a hodgepodge of whatever is floating around the Murdoch-verse in early 2023 and whatever Trump is bleating about (to the extent that there is any difference). I suspect that impeachment articles will wind up including charges related to "stealing" the 2020 election, for one.
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She’s the future:

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Grifman wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:12 pm She’s the future:

If so, we're in a lot better shape. Trump is far better at extending that hate enough to win a national election. Wake me up when she can win a competitive election.
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Moment of silence for Capitol Police today, and exactly 2 Republicans showed up.

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If I were a Capital Police Officer I would escort the next group of rioters to the Republicans. Fuck them. Whatever they truly believe regarding the insurrection those Officers stood in harms way for their benefit.
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Remus West wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 2:58 pm If I were a Capital Police Officer I would escort the next group of rioters to the Republicans.
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Never in my life did I expect to see Dick Cheney be a beacon of integrity.
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gilraen wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:11 pm Never in my life did I expect to see Dick Cheney be a beacon of integrity.
I wouldn't be inviting him along on any skeet shoots any time soon.
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Dick Cheney (and his daughter) are like the rest of the Never-Trumpers. They were perfectly comfortable playing political games to secure the wealth and untouchability of the 1%, and they thought (because of their lifelong narrative of noble capitalism resisting socialism) they were patriots for doing so.

Once the anti-government/white-supremacist base woke up to the possibility of just replacing the Republic with something more vicious and self-serving of *their* goals, the Never-Trumpers balked. So I guess they get a few points for that.
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Holman wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:46 pm Dick Cheney (and his daughter) are like the rest of the Never-Trumpers. They were perfectly comfortable playing political games to secure the wealth and untouchability of the 1%, and they thought (because of their lifelong narrative of noble capitalism resisting socialism) they were patriots for doing so.

Once the anti-government/white-supremacist base woke up to the possibility of just replacing the Republic with something more vicious and self-serving of *their* goals, the Never-Trumpers balked. So I guess they get a few points for that.
This. It's sort of like the people praising Karl Rove for his WSJ editorial. Karl Rove pretty much wrote the early drafts of the playbooks that the GOP is running now to build an authoritarian, white nationalist state. But he popped out on the anniversary of the insurrection to talk about the sorry state of the GOP. Great. I'll give him credit if he does that everyday for the rest of his life and works to fix the mess he helped create.
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It's like Dr. Frankenstein complaining when his creation ran amok. Only the people with pitchforks are following the monster, not chasing it.
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Ted Cruz groveling to Tucker Carlson last night was genuinely disturbing. He essentially went to Tucker to beg for forgiveness for properly decrying the 1/6 assault on our democracy. The issue was supposedly over the work 'terrorism' but IMO this is about the 1/6 white wash on the right where many of MAGA think the folks who stormed the Capitol are political prisoners. This is a play on the messaging strategy where you shift slowly over time from 'insurgent' to 'freedom fighter'. It hasn't gotten there 100% yet but it is moving that way.

So the words Cruz used 'politicized by the media and Democrats' in his spineless sliterback?! It was a goddamn insurrection. He is such a piece of shit. Calling it terrorism probably doesn't meet the legal definition but it terrorized a whole lot of folks. Man. This is grim stuff.

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Jaymann wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:40 am It's like Dr. Frankenstein complaining when his creation ran amok. Only the people with pitchforks are following the monster, not chasing it.
If Dr. Frankenstein was a committee, Rove and Cheney would be the two guys watching as the monster rampages weakly saying stop while the rest of the committee start obeying it because it is too powerful and keeps hinting loosely at doling out gifts to them.
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When did Tucker become Saruman. We've always known Cruz was Wormtongue.
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malchior wrote:
Holman wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:46 pm Dick Cheney (and his daughter) are like the rest of the Never-Trumpers. They were perfectly comfortable playing political games to secure the wealth and untouchability of the 1%, and they thought (because of their lifelong narrative of noble capitalism resisting socialism) they were patriots for doing so.

Once the anti-government/white-supremacist base woke up to the possibility of just replacing the Republic with something more vicious and self-serving of *their* goals, the Never-Trumpers balked. So I guess they get a few points for that.
This. It's sort of like the people praising Karl Rove for his WSJ editorial. Karl Rove pretty much wrote the early drafts of the playbooks that the GOP is running now to build an authoritarian, white nationalist state. But he popped out on the anniversary of the insurrection to talk about the sorry state of the GOP. Great. I'll give him credit if he does that everyday for the rest of his life and works to fix the mess he helped create.
While I agree that both Darth Cheney and Rove did a LOT!!! too get the GOP to where it is today, I'm OK with giving them some credit for actually standing up to and calling out today's GOP.

As long as it isn't a long grift so they can get back in on it.

What I'd really like to see is follow up actions besides the words. Go on the attack against the new buffoons with boots on the ground and the donors facilitating this.
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Pyperkub wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:13 pm
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Holman wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:46 pm Dick Cheney (and his daughter) are like the rest of the Never-Trumpers. They were perfectly comfortable playing political games to secure the wealth and untouchability of the 1%, and they thought (because of their lifelong narrative of noble capitalism resisting socialism) they were patriots for doing so.

Once the anti-government/white-supremacist base woke up to the possibility of just replacing the Republic with something more vicious and self-serving of *their* goals, the Never-Trumpers balked. So I guess they get a few points for that.
This. It's sort of like the people praising Karl Rove for his WSJ editorial. Karl Rove pretty much wrote the early drafts of the playbooks that the GOP is running now to build an authoritarian, white nationalist state. But he popped out on the anniversary of the insurrection to talk about the sorry state of the GOP. Great. I'll give him credit if he does that everyday for the rest of his life and works to fix the mess he helped create.
While I agree that both Darth Cheney and Rove did a LOT!!! too get the GOP to where it is today, I'm OK with giving them some credit for actually standing up to and calling out today's GOP.

As long as it isn't a long grift so they can get back in on it.

What I'd really like to see is follow up actions besides the words. Go on the attack against the new buffoons with boots on the ground and the donors facilitating this.
Everyone with credibility on the right who speaks out against the authoritarian and Trumpist push helps. In the case of Rove, he absolutely gets credit for the WSJ editorial - he has credibility on the right, and his column was correct and solid. BUT obviously overall his ledger in terms of his impact on the Republic is decidedly negative, and if this WSJ editorial is all he does on this, then that won't be worth very much.

Liz Cheney is really putting everything she can into the fight to save democracy. Doesn't make her politics beyond this any less noxious, but she gets a ton of credit, and I'm thankful that she's in Congress.
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El Guapo wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:19 pm Liz Cheney is really putting everything she can into the fight to save democracy. Doesn't make her politics beyond this any less noxious, but she gets a ton of credit, and I'm thankful that she's in Congress.
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So much to unpack in just over a minute.

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Skinypupy wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:20 pm

“Reading is the debbil!”
That woman on the right has a pretty deep voice. I'm just saying...
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Totally a dude. In fact, I believe that's Adam Sandler in drag.

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Skinypupy wrote:

“Reading is the debbil!”
Someone's should point out to her that if god created both man and woman in his image, then I guess that means 'they' must be non-binary.
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Do libraries actually expect you to return a library card if you’re not using it? I mean, is there a ceremony I haven’t been privy too where they put it in a tiny coffin and light it on fire or something?
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hepcat wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:13 pm Do libraries actually expect you to return a library card if you’re not using it? I mean, is there a ceremony I haven’t been privy too where they put it in a tiny coffin and light it on fire or something?
Yeah, "I returned my library card" is just bullshit. It's not like you even pay a fee for it.

This video did remind me, however, that I need to renew my membership in the American Library Association (a very evil organization).
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hepcat wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:13 pm Do libraries actually expect you to return a library card if you’re not using it? I mean, is there a ceremony I haven’t been privy too where they put it in a tiny coffin and light it on fire or something?
Do they still even use cards? I haven't used an actual card in...15 years? Couldn't even begin to find it if I had a sudden hard-on to return it in a show of righteous indignation (which looks pretty cool in my mind's eye, actually). Huh.

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Two librarians, an asian lesbian, and a black gay man, sitting behind a desk in a quiet suburban library branch. Suddenly, the glass doors slam open with a bang, and wind wooshes in, immedaitely snuffing out the joint in the black man's mouth, and blowing the cocaine that was in front of the other all over. The wind gust loudly whips the pages of the dozens of open porn mags on the counter, with candy on top (to entice the kids).

The pot smoke clears, and a man in an all-white outfit emerges from the outside with blinding light behind him, and what sounds like a choir going "aaaaaaaAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!".

The man makes wide, purposeful, weighty steps toward the counter, reaches into his pocket, eyes narrowed at the cultural delinquints, nose ablaze with the smell of evil that permeates the small lobby. He dramatically pulls out a shiny object and holds it high above his head...a silver plastic rectangle, flashing in the blinding light the seems to now emanate from the Man in White.

"BEHOLD!!!!" he thunders, and the sniveling, vile pair cower as he slams down the desecrated plastic artifact of evil before them on the counter, glaring purposefully into both of their widened eyes. As they scramble to get under their desks to flee from his righteous countenance, they repent loudly of all their sins, begging forgiveness, and swearing to do better. The man smiles as only men who know they are Right can do, and leaves in a swirl of smoke and light.
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The GOP (definition) - a political party that is characterized by whiny, childish overreaction and bottomless hypocrisy serving up grievance to a population of angry and vile nihilists (reference: deplorables)

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House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy has vowed to remove three Democratic lawmakers from key committee assignments if Republicans win back the chamber in the upcoming midterm elections.

Citing a "new standard" that Democrats had created last year by removing GOP Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia and Paul Gosar of Arizona from their committees for inflammatory rhetoric and posts, McCarthy told Breitbart he would strip Democratic Reps. Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, both of California, and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota of their committee assignments.

Schiff and Swalwell serve on the House Intelligence Committee, while Omar serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

"The Democrats have created a new thing where they're picking and choosing who could be on committee. Never in the history have you had the majority tell the minority who could be on committee," McCarthy lamented in the interview.

The California Republican had previously hinted that if Republicans win back the House, a GOP majority may kick some House Democrats off their committee seats. "[House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi has set new policies here. Those same members that I talked about in my speech ... voted for these new policies," McCarthy said in November, alluding to Schiff, Swalwell, Omar and Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters, also of California. "This isn't about threats, but it's about holding people accountable."

"I think the majority is going to have to approve any of those members on the committees on which they can serve," he said at the time.
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Thank you Indiana GOP:
On Wednesday, during an Indiana state Senate committee hearing about a proposed bill that would ban “divisive concepts” in school classrooms, Republican Sen. Scott Baldwin said teachers’ lessons about fascism and Nazism should be impartial.

“Marxism, Nazism, fascism … I have no problem with the education system providing instruction on the existence of those ‘isms,’ ” said Baldwin, who co-wrote the bill. “I believe that we’ve gone too far when we take a position. … We need to be impartial.”

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Baldwin, who was elected in 2020, has faced scrutiny in the past, the Star reported, after his name was included on a list of purported members of Oath Keepers — a far-right, self-styled militia group accused of participating in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. The state senator denied involvement, telling the newspaper he made a $30 donation to the group during an unsuccessful 2010 bid for county sheriff but had no interaction with the Oath Keepers since.

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Smoove_B wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:41 pm :shock:

Thank you Indiana GOP:

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The Washington Post focused on the sensational part and didn't talk about the part where the same bill makes teaching in Indiana an impossible task. Can you imagine being the typical underpaid Indiana teacher (38th lowest average salary in the nation) customizing lesson plans based on individual parent objections? There already is a model for customizable lesson plan for parents - home schooling. This is trying to make a hybrid model that appears pretty unworkable if you think about it for 5 minutes.

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That’s the point guys. It’s yet another underlying strategy by the GOP, nationwide, years in the making and developing at the local and state levels: if you can’t kill public education, at least cripple it as much as possible. If that’s not possible, make them so bad that people are BEGGING for anything else.

Like Trump, DeVos was not an anomaly, but a culmination of those decades of pushing for this idea.

This is part of the long game plan, and yet again liberals are losing because they don’t seem to have one (except for status quo, existing rule of law, yadda yadda yadda :D)

I assume there’s a chapter or two in ‘Jesus and John Wayne’ about it, so I’ll have to look it up, but I would bet a lot of money this plan started soon after, and was a direct result of, segregation.

To be fair, I’m sure the success and therefore obviousness of said plan is highly dependent on the state. It’s been evident here in SC for a long time, but definitely got kicked into high gear with our current Trump boot-licking Guvnah.
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Because nothing says education like ignoring potential suicide and moral Nazis.
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This hasn’t actually been about education for a looong time.
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