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malchior wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:48 am
Unagi wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:33 am I say we import massive numbers of immigrants.
We should have little choice. The labor participation rate for the 25-54 age bracket across all ages, races, and genders is essentially maxed out here. Foreign-born men have a +10% edge in the participation rate compared to native-born men (hard to tease out the why but probably mostly because they are younger). Or we need to automate heavily. But then again these aren't policy arguments they are making.
I’m sorry I wasn’t totally clear there.

I mean: to seize control of the country electorally.
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Unagi wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:52 am
malchior wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:48 am
Unagi wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:33 am I say we import massive numbers of immigrants.
We should have little choice. The labor participation rate for the 25-54 age bracket across all ages, races, and genders is essentially maxed out here. Foreign-born men have a +10% edge in the participation rate compared to native-born men (hard to tease out the why but probably mostly because they are younger). Or we need to automate heavily. But then again these aren't policy arguments they are making.
I’m sorry I wasn’t totally clear there.

I mean: to seize control of the country electorally.
Ah right.
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Unagi wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:33 am I say we import massive numbers of immigrants.


Let’s drain Ukraine of the democracy lovers and send the GOP over there to kiss Putin’s boot.

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malchior wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:23 amThe 2024 GOP nomination[/url] race is on and the players think winning is a matter of showing how radical they can be.
And they’re probably right.
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That's what it all comes down to:

They do what they do because it is working.
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Elise Stephanik is grotesque.

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Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 8:35 pm
malchior wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:23 amThe 2024 GOP nomination[/url] race is on and the players think winning is a matter of showing how radical they can be.
And they’re probably right.
It's also dumb because Trump's almost certainly going to run, and if and when he announces no one's going to be able to oppose him anyway.
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Carpet_pissr wrote:
malchior wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:23 amThe 2024 GOP nomination[/url] race is on and the players think winning is a matter of showing how radical they can be.
And they’re probably right.
If we are stupid enough to give them power again, we kind of deserve it.
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Pyperkub wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:16 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote:
malchior wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:23 amThe 2024 GOP nomination[/url] race is on and the players think winning is a matter of showing how radical they can be.
And they’re probably right.
If we are stupid enough to give them power again, we kind of deserve it.
Deserve's got nuthin to do with it.

That said, it does not relieve of us ownership and accountability. :cry:
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LordMortis wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:32 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 1:16 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote:
malchior wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 6:23 amThe 2024 GOP nomination[/url] race is on and the players think winning is a matter of showing how radical they can be.
And they’re probably right.
If we are stupid enough to give them power again, we kind of deserve it.
Deserve's got nuthin to do with it.

That said, it does not relieve of us ownership and accountability. :cry:
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These are relatively minor voices but I think it's frankly important to listen to this kind of talk. Feeding these folks red meat is how the top ranks keep the grift flowing at the top.

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malchior wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 11:13 am These are relatively minor voices but I think it's frankly important to listen to this kind of talk. Feeding these folks red meat is how the top ranks keep the grift flowing at the top.

Its important to pay attention because these psychos are the ones they built their power base upon and are the ones chopping the last pillars of Democracy down in our nation.
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Has CPAC held its conference internationally at any point before this?
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El Guapo wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:36 pm Has CPAC held its conference internationally at any point before this?
I don't think so, but while they're out of the country this might be a good time to secure those borders. Just saying.
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El Guapo wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:36 pm Has CPAC held its conference internationally at any point before this?
Per Wikipedia, they've been held in Japan, South Korea, Australia, Brazil, and now Hungary.

It's easy to imagine the Asian locations as a fun vacation junket, but the Brazil (2019 and after) CPAC is held under the auspices of the authoritarian Bolsonaro, and of course the Hungary location speaks for itself.
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They wanted to hold it in Germany, but they found out Hitler lost after someone on the committee watched the History Channel one night,
He won. Period.
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I can't really see "What Happens in Budapest Stays in Budapest" convincing anyone unless they're already on board with the Hungarian Interior Ministry.
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LA Senator Cassidy: (Paraphrasing) The Louisiana maternal death rate isn't bad if you ignore the black 1/3 of our population.

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Surprising no one: Georgia's 14th district says that Marjorie Taylor Greene is the definition of the 21st Century Republican Party.
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Looking to see what craziness Was bouncing around the right wing echo chamber about the latest mass shooting, I took a break from the Celtics - Heat playoff came to switch over to Fox. I didn’t even get to gun craziness. Instead, I tuned into a commercial with Mike Huckabee touting The Trump Guide for Kids.

This is unreal levels of cult behavior. I wasn’t sure it was real at first. But it is. Unbelievable.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 10:42 pm Enlarge Image
I remember all the commercials for that on MSNBC
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Let’s play, “Which one of these is not like the other?”

The Biden one is obviously a parody.

The Trump one is startlingly serious.
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Oh, I certainly was not equating the two in terms of audience or desired impact.
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And if my sarcasm wasn't clear... You can also add that one of them was seriously advertised on a news station devoted to the cult, and the other one wasn't pawned off by way of a news station at all.
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As I don’t watch tv news, I couldn’t determine if it was accurate or sarcasm.
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Isgrimnur wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 11:10 pm As I don’t watch tv news, I couldn’t determine if it was accurate or sarcasm.
I also have no idea if it's accurate. But it was sarcasm.
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One party thinks its leader is a flawed but lovable goof.

The other thinks its leader is the second coming of Christ in the form of a venal, criminally dishonest narcissist who must never be questioned.
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In 47 years on this earth, I had never seen someone hang a freaking 15-foot banner of a president in their garage until Trump came along. And not during his campaign, AFTER he was out of office. And there are two of these people in my neighborhood alone. Lunatics.
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You should burn a lower-case t on their lawn to let them know it's 'time to leave'.
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Holman wrote:One party thinks its leader is a flawed but lovable goof.

The other thinks its leader is the second coming of Christ in the form of a venal, criminally dishonest narcissist who must never be questioned.
And the first would be wrong.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... er-russia/

Competence matters.
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Pyperkub wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:12 am
Holman wrote:One party thinks its leader is a flawed but lovable goof.

The other thinks its leader is the second coming of Christ in the form of a venal, criminally dishonest narcissist who must never be questioned.
And the first would be wrong.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... er-russia/

Competence matters.
Agree. But "flawed" doesn't mean "incompetent."
(My point was that Dems are able to criticize their leaders without being branded as heretics.)
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Holman wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 3:45 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 11:12 am
Holman wrote:One party thinks its leader is a flawed but lovable goof.

The other thinks its leader is the second coming of Christ in the form of a venal, criminally dishonest narcissist who must never be questioned.
And the first would be wrong.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... er-russia/

Competence matters.
Agree. But "flawed" doesn't mean "incompetent."
(My point was that Dems are able to criticize their leaders without being branded as heretics.)
Fair enough- my issue is in falling too deeply into the RW talking points - even vaguely repeating them achieves the goal...
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Wonder what the seed for this lunacy is. Maybe wastewater monitoring for COVID?

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It's called "correction trolling". Just ignore her. She has no real power, and her district is still going to re-elect her no matter what.
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Today's Globe had a story about the vanishing New England moderate Republican -- Even in MA, GOP politics are all about trump.
They are an increasingly marginalized breed in Texas and Florida. They haven’t made it to the front of the presidential pack in a decade. And even in Massachusetts, once a cradle of Rockefeller Republicanism, the moderate GOP teeters on the brink of extinction: most of the party’s candidates for statewide office this year revere Donald Trump and reject the politics of retiring Governor Charlie Baker.

At the Massachusetts GOP’s convention two weekends ago, speakers falsely claimed that the 2020 election was “stolen,” labeled Democrats “evil,” and reprised a 2016 greatest hit, chanting “Lock her up! Lock her up!” at the mention of Hillary Clinton. Baker, the party’s top elected official and one of the nation’s most popular governors, was present only on the back of candy wrappers, sporting a red clown nose under mocking valediction: “Adiόs, Chuckles.” Rayla Campbell, the GOP’s candidate for secretary of state, baselessly warned the crowd that public schools are instructing 5-year-olds to perform oral sex on each other. (Many fellow Republicans disavowed her vulgarity, but backed up the sentiment.)

That rhetoric is easy to dismiss as irrelevant in a reliably blue state where those extreme voices are unlikely to win elected office. But the hard-right turn the party has taken nonetheless signals the continued decline of the moderate New England Republican, long popular here for conservative fiscal policy, a hands-off approach to social issues, and as a counterbalance to a Democratic-dominated Legislature.
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on social issues, Democrats enjoy a major edge over Republicans in Massachusetts. Seventy-four percent of Massachusetts adults believe abortion should be legal in most or all cases, polling has shown, and 98 percent of registered voters support background checks for anyone who buys a gun. The state GOP’s leadership vehemently opposes abortion, and the candidate the party endorsed for governor, Geoff Diehl, has in the past earned support from the National Rifle Association.

Trump won roughly 32 percent of the vote in Massachusetts in 2020 and 2016, less than Mitt Romney in 2012 and John McCain in 2008.

But you would not have known it from the crowd at the MassGOP convention, where Trump was a particularly animating force, even if not all delegates were blindly loyal to the former president.
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Some Republican strategists caution against overinterpreting the rhetoric of the state party convention. It’s common for such events to draw the most extreme members of any party: It’s the most dedicated activists who are willing to spend on tickets and travel and devote their sunny spring weekends to debates on political endorsements and party platform planks. The positions of those party faithful do not necessarily represent the average party voter, some analysts point out.

“The state party convention is inside, inside, inside, inside baseball…. That is not the new Republican party,” said Jennifer Nassour, a former chair of the MassGOP. “The Republican Party is the one that believes in fiscal conservatism, the one that believes that the next governor should carry on the same messaging that Governor Baker has.”
Fewer than 10% of Mass. voters are registered Republicans, and outside of the governor's office the GOP has next-to-no presence in state government, so they can't do much worse by going all trumpy. It's still disheartening to see the last bastion of rational Republicanism fall to the wingnuts.
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Seems like that is a result of the majority of the rational ones leaving the party because the national party is already insane and they want no part of it.
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