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Remus West wrote: Wed Jun 01, 2022 12:40 pm Seems like that is a result of the majority of the rational ones leaving the party because the national party is already insane and they want no part of it.
Yep. The purge appears to be waning because it's almost complete.
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It's awesome how people like Ted Cruz say this nonsense and his constituents presumably lap it all up.


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Because I like finding articles that cross topics, please enjoy the deep thoughts of a potential future AZ GOP representative, Blake Masters:
Tech investor and Arizona Republican Senate hopeful Blake Masters acknowledges that the United States has a gun violence problem. But he also has a theory about why there’s a problem—it’s “Black people, frankly.”

Masters boiled the issue down in an April 11 interview on the Jeff Oravits Show podcast, telling the host that “we do have a gun violence problem in this country, and it’s gang violence.”

“It’s people in Chicago, St. Louis shooting each other. Very often, you know, Black people, frankly,” Masters clarified. “And the Democrats don’t want to do anything about that.”
Hadn't actually seen this floated in a while, so it's good to see the GOP is keeping it alive.
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It's a faulty premise, but the fuel is still purchased on the global market and subject to national policy.
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noxiousdog wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:39 pm It's a faulty premise, but the fuel is still purchased on the global market and subject to national policy.
Right the biggest inputs are but I'd like to see any credible linkage between Biden's policies and actual oil/lng prices. It's almost certainly next to zilch. He is dumping oil into the market and it didn't even perturb prices (as predicted).
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Apparently we're going to be hearing quite a bit more about Blake Masters


73 year old man who showed up at a Republican event in a BLM shirt is physically attacked and assaulted by AZ US Senate candidate Blake Masters.
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Instant endorsement from Trump. Might as well pencil him in for the spot now.

Edit... checks notes. Already endorced. Because of course.
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A great Thread on 21st Century GOP messaging and, generally, their entire platform:


Here is the Republican message on everything of importance:
1. They can tell people what to do.
2. You cannot tell them what to do.

This often gets mistaken for hypocrisy, there’s an additional layer of complexity to this (later in the thread), but this is the basic formula...

...You've watched the Republican Party champion the idea of "freedom" while you have also watched the same party openly assault various freedoms, like the freedom to vote, freedom to choose, freedom to marry who you want and so on...

...If this has been a source of confusion, then your assessments of what Republicans mean by “freedom” were likely too generous. Here’s what they mean:

1. The freedom to tell people what to do.
2. Freedom from being told what to do.
Examples from later in the thread:
As you can see, this is a very stunning commitment to refusing to be told what to do. So much so that it is not in fact “pro-life.” But Republicans will nevertheless claim to be the “pro-life” party. That is because they recognize “pro-life” can be used to tell people what to do...

...The reason they say they are “pro-life” when they are trying to tell women what to do with their bodies is not out of genuine concern for human life, but because they recognize that in this position, they can tell women what to do with their bodies...

...That’s why when you use that same appeal—“pro-life”—when you ask Republicans to do something about gun violence in schools, it doesn’t work. Because you are now in the position of telling Republicans what to do. That’s precisely why they don’t want to do anything about it...

...Anyway, gun violence in schools is not a problem, but their children having to wear masks in schools is. Because somebody is telling their children what to do. Dead children don’t bother them, but telling their children what to do? Only *they* should do that...

...They claim to be for “small government”, but that really means a government that tells them what to do should be as small as possible. But when the Republican Party recognizes it has an opportunity to tell people what to do, the government required for that tends to be large.
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Now here’s where things get interesting: when you explain to Republicans you want them to do something and explain it’s on the basis of benefitting other people. Now you have really crossed a line. Not only did you tell them what to do, you told them to consider others...

...The whole point of an arrangement where you can tell people what to do, but you can’t be told what to do, is precisely to avoid having to consider others. This is why this is their ideal arrangement: so they don’t have to do that.
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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:35 pm Apparently we're going to be hearing quite a bit more about Blake Masters
73 year old man who showed up at a Republican event in a BLM shirt is physically attacked and assaulted by AZ US Senate candidate Blake Masters.
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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:35 pm Apparently we're going to be hearing quite a bit more about Blake Masters


73 year old man who showed up at a Republican event in a BLM shirt is physically attacked and assaulted by AZ US Senate candidate Blake Masters.
You mean this guy?

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Ugh. I was referring to the post I'd made on Monday about him, but that's also...something.
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20 minutes to order food? Sir you need to use your finger and not your gun to tap on the screen.

I saw one comment online yesterday saying that the average person uses 40 gallons of gas a week. And based off that someone making minimum wage is making no money now. Apparently everyone on average drives between 800 to 1,200 miles a week. I feel like such a slacker. :P
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I suspect that population of "average people" would include folks who drive 40 hours a week or more for a living to meet that target.
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40 gal / week - 300 million people... So 12 billion gals of gas. / week ... or 624 billion gals gas/year.

However, in 2021, I've read America consumed about 134 billion gals gas/year.

So if we force that consumption on 'the average American' it would be more likely about 8 gal/week. But of course, it's not right to spread that 134 billion gal of gas around to everyone.


edit: I suppose I'm wrong to use our full population in these numbers.
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I'm pretty sure I now have DeSantis in my top 5 most dangerous Republicans in the land right now.

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I think he sees a niche that even Trump won’t fill or hasn’t filled yet. Extreme intolerance from the evangelicals and their hateful world view. I’m curious to see what the Eye of Sauron that is Trump will do when he finally recognizes the threat he poses to his re-election plans.
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A group should stage a drag show outside of his kids' school(s).
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I’ve spent the past week visiting my brother in Tennessee. We’ve spent time in Nashville, Gatlinburg, and Chattanooga.

I’m realizing just how severely I underestimated the Southern fixation on Jesus, guns, and Donald Trump. It’s everywhere here, and this is coming from someone who lives in what I thought was the capital of Jesus and guns, if not quite as Trumpy (Salt Lake). It’s all just SO in your face down here and these people are just so very angry. So many “Let’s Go Brandon” stickers, Trump flags, MAGa hats, “Fuck Joe Biden” (at theme parks and water parks…classy) and “Trump is my President” shirts, etc. And they’re all on (and apologies for the generalization here) nearly the exact same person: white, fat, middle aged, and loud.

I get the strong sense that few of them know what they’re actually mad about other than “DEMS BAD!!”, but I can absolutely see how and why the messaging works. If this is the background noise every day and you are primed to lean that way to begin with, it’s a very easy nudge over to MAGA-land.
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Skinypupy wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:46 pm I’ve spent the past week visiting my brother in Tennessee. We’ve spent time in Nashville, Gatlinburg, and Chattanooga.
I've been assuming that Nashville was one of the more decent places to live in the South. I haven't been there in 25 years, but the latest I've heard is that it (like Atlanta and some college towns) is one of the few Deep-South cities where you can be gay without being miserable.
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I wouldn't call Nashville "Deep South" but semantics and all that.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:00 pm I wouldn't call Nashville "Deep South" but semantics and all that.
Technically it's not. But I feel like TN joined the neo-CSA somewhere in the 1970s or 80s.
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At some point we are going to have to realign or reconsider the typical, easy "The South" as MAGA-land, or far right land even. MAGAts now infest most parts of the country, and have some very serious strongholds in states that are definitely not "Southern" geographically.

Yes, I'm a bit defensive about this, but I think we can all agree that far-rightism has spread far outside the typical core Southern states that it was once relatively contained in.

Maybe consider "red states"? Hell, I like MAGA-Land (as a name!). Someone either in this thread or another, not too long ago, made a comment about deep sixing The South or something like that, and while I was not able to respond at the moment, I was thinking "OK, fine, now what about ALL those other Trump-loving, non-Southern red states?" Whoever made that comment needs to look at a CURRENT political map I think. Might be surprised.

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Carpet_pissr wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:24 pm At some point we are going to have to realign or reconsider the typical, easy "The South" as MAGA-land, or far right land even. MAGAts now infest most parts of the country, and have some very serious strongholds in states that are definitely not "Southern" geographically.

Yes, I'm a bit defensive about this, but I think we can all agree that far-rightism has spread far outside the typical core Southern states that it was once relatively contained in.

Proceed. :D
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Don't get me started on the collapse of civilization in the Midwest.
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Holman wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:00 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:46 pm I’ve spent the past week visiting my brother in Tennessee. We’ve spent time in Nashville, Gatlinburg, and Chattanooga.
I've been assuming that Nashville was one of the more decent places to live in the South. I haven't been there in 25 years, but the latest I've heard is that it (like Atlanta and some college towns) is one of the few Deep-South cities where you can be gay without being miserable.
Nashville proper isn’t terrible. It gets far more pervasive the further you get outside Nashville.

Gatlinburg was MAGA central, complete with multiple Trump stores located in strip malls.
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Skinypupy wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:48 pm Gatlinburg was MAGA central, complete with multiple Trump stores located in strip malls.
That's what I'd expect.

I visited Gatlinburg as a kid when it was a fun town-sized tourist trap. A decade or more ago I heard that it all burned to the ground in a wildfire. Has it recovered?
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Holman wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:24 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:48 pm Gatlinburg was MAGA central, complete with multiple Trump stores located in strip malls.
That's what I'd expect.

I visited Gatlinburg as a kid when it was a fun town-sized tourist trap. A decade or more ago I heard that it all burned to the ground in a wildfire. Has it recovered?
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Must have been interesting coming down the mountain without skis.
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Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:29 am Must have been interesting coming down the mountain without skis.
I assume they rode the chairlift down as well.
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During the summer, you can ride up many of the lifts at the Utah resorts then hike back down. It’s fun.

Gatlinburg was definitely a huge tourist trap. It was packed too, I was shocked how many people were up there. Pigeon Forge is the one that makes me laugh though. It’s like a wanna-be Vegas, complete with gaudy neon light all down the main strip. It’s hilarious.
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Unagi wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:18 am
Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:29 am Must have been interesting coming down the mountain without skis.
I assume they rode the chairlift down as well.
Doesn't mean it wouldn't have been interesting.
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If that’s not a pic of a ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’ situation I don’t know what is.

Hilarity ensued when young Kraken and ‘companion’ tried to get down the mountain (whether on skis or not, for the literalists around here :p)
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The Gatlinburg Sky Lift isn't a ski lift. It's just a scenic ride.
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Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:29 am The Gatlinburg Sky Lift isn't a ski lift. It's just a scenic ride.
Doesn't mean you couldn't wear skis.
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Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:39 am
Unagi wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:18 am
Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:29 am Must have been interesting coming down the mountain without skis.
I assume they rode the chairlift down as well.
Doesn't mean it wouldn't have been interesting.
Sure.

It must have been interesting coming down the mountain without a hang-glider.
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Skinypupy wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:57 am During the summer, you can ride up many of the lifts at the Utah resorts then hike back down. It’s fun.
Totally. It’s a great way to fish some killer remote mountain lakes.



Of course, Kraken and his father didn’t look like they were dressed for that and the time of day, and all that. Also, one can see people riding the chairs down in the picture.
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Holman wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:31 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:24 pm At some point we are going to have to realign or reconsider the typical, easy "The South" as MAGA-land, or far right land even. MAGAts now infest most parts of the country, and have some very serious strongholds in states that are definitely not "Southern" geographically.

Yes, I'm a bit defensive about this, but I think we can all agree that far-rightism has spread far outside the typical core Southern states that it was once relatively contained in.

Proceed. :D
I think Red/Blue is a better indicator than regions. And that goes within regions as well: the good people of Atlanta and Nashville and Austin and the Research Triangle don't deserve to be lumped in with the Deplorable South, and Pennsylbama deserves none of the glory shed by Philly and Pittsburgh.

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Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:39 am
Unagi wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:18 am
Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:29 am Must have been interesting coming down the mountain without skis.
I assume they rode the chairlift down as well.
Doesn't mean it wouldn't have been interesting.
IIRC we just tucked our knees under our chins and rolled downhill. The roundtrip lift ticket was too expensive.

Gatlinburg in 1970 was gaudy and tacky and great fun for a 13-year-old. Politics were divisive then, what with Vietnam and the race riots and all, but they didn't cleave as sharply along party lines and I only really began paying attention to them when Watergate broke a few years later. Democrats and Republicans at least inhabited the same reality, got their news from the same sources and watched the same entertainments. Gatlinburg wasn't hostile territory, anyway.

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Carpet_pissr wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:24 pm At some point we are going to have to realign or reconsider the typical, easy "The South" as MAGA-land, or far right land even. MAGAts now infest most parts of the country, and have some very serious strongholds in states that are definitely not "Southern" geographically.

Yes, I'm a bit defensive about this, but I think we can all agree that far-rightism has spread far outside the typical core Southern states that it was once relatively contained in.

Maybe consider "red states"? Hell, I like MAGA-Land (as a name!). Someone either in this thread or another, not too long ago, made a comment about deep sixing The South or something like that, and while I was not able to respond at the moment, I was thinking "OK, fine, now what about ALL those other Trump-loving, non-Southern red states?" Whoever made that comment needs to look at a CURRENT political map I think. Might be surprised.

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