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If I'm understanding it correctly...
The conservative, Reich-wing Federalists *spits* are pissed at Disney's current "pro-gay politics stance". So they are suggesting all good social conservative asshats spend their money at Dollywood as an alternative. What said Federalists don't know is that Dolly has been somewhat of a gay rights supporter over the years, and some say she IS gay (I have no idea, and don't really care). Which is hilariously ironic. Assumption being that country music = "our peeps" which is probably MOSTLY true, with some notable country "greats" exceptions, icons even (Parton, (suggested) Cash, Nelson to name a few). Thought TBH Cash is iffy at best here, but would love to have that argument in a separate thread.
Oh I see now. Ok ty. Dolly would bitch slap the idiots. I also for some reason thought of Disney as anti gay. Their 'wholesome' bs.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:45 pmThe conservative, Reich-wing Federalists *spits* are pissed at Disney's current "pro-gay politics stance". So they are suggesting all good social conservative asshats spend their money at Dollywood as an alternative. What said Federalists don't know is that Dolly has been somewhat of a gay rights supporter over the years, and some say she IS gay (I have no idea, and don't really care). Which is hilariously ironic. Assumption being that country music = "our peeps" which is probably MOSTLY true, with some notable country "greats" exceptions, icons even (Parton, (suggested) Cash, Nelson to name a few). Thought TBH Cash is iffy at best here, but would love to have that argument in a separate thread.
This is what happens when you view the world in black and white IMO. You make stupid mistakes like this that make you look like even more of an asshat than you are. And for these fuckers, that is truly an accomplishment.
EDIT: I KNEW I was going to get BAMmed, and sho nuf...BAM!
Eh. I'd give you credit. You had more specifics. I was just giving it my best interpretation without the facts. I am glad that I mostly got it right. Thanks for the additional information!Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:45 pmThe conservative, Reich-wing Federalists *spits* are pissed at Disney's current "pro-gay politics stance". So they are suggesting all good social conservative asshats spend their money at Dollywood as an alternative. What said Federalists don't know is that Dolly has been somewhat of a gay rights supporter over the years, and some say she IS gay (I have no idea, and don't really care). Which is hilariously ironic. Assumption being that country music = "our peeps" which is probably MOSTLY true, with some notable country "greats" exceptions, icons even (Parton, (suggested) Cash, Nelson to name a few). Thought TBH Cash is iffy at best here, but would love to have that argument in a separate thread.
This is what happens when you view the world in black and white IMO. You make stupid mistakes like this that make you look like even more of an asshat than you are. And for these fuckers, that is truly an accomplishment.
EDIT: I KNEW I was going to get BAMmed, and sho nuf...BAM!
They weren't - I'm pretty sure they were corporate leader in giving domestic partners rights before marriage was legalized. Which is not to say they have a perfect track record.
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Ahhhh thank you. The deplorable are sheep. Sheep that call others sheep.TheMix wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:17 pmIf I'm understanding it correctly...
"The Federalist is an American conservative online magazine and podcast" ... and they posted a tweet suggesting that everyone boycott(?) Disney by going to DollyWood (or at least they want people to support Dolly over Disney). Apparently they assumed that Dolly is conservative (because, as others suggested above, she is a Country singer). However, apparently Dolly is not remotely conservative. Which is what Grace Segers is pointing out.
Well, they are a very old company with a body of work that reflects those... less enlightened times.
Yeah Walt Disney was famously not crazy about Jews. And actually my daughter back in maybe 2nd grade was doing a project on him for school, and I mentioned that to her. A few weeks later I got her project back and it was Walt Disney's name with like a word dictionary around him. And it had "started Disney" "made movies" "created Disney World" as well as "Not crazy about Jews". Well, good that she was listening.Daehawk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:35 pmAhhhh thank you. The deplorable are sheep. Sheep that call others sheep.TheMix wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:17 pmIf I'm understanding it correctly...
"The Federalist is an American conservative online magazine and podcast" ... and they posted a tweet suggesting that everyone boycott(?) Disney by going to DollyWood (or at least they want people to support Dolly over Disney). Apparently they assumed that Dolly is conservative (because, as others suggested above, she is a Country singer). However, apparently Dolly is not remotely conservative. Which is what Grace Segers is pointing out.
Maybe it was Jews Walt hated in the day. I know Disney was anti something a long time.
Lt. Gov. Brian A. Benjamin of New York, the state’s second-in-command to Gov. Kathy Hochul, surrendered early Tuesday morning to face a federal bribery conspiracy indictment in connection with a scheme to funnel fraudulent donations to a previous campaign, according to people with knowledge of the matter.
I think you're find his views about Jews were crazy.
Gee, who would have thought that campaign finance is corrupt?AWS260 wrote:New York's latest political scandal only involves our lieutenant governor. Not even the actual governor! We're really slacking off here.
Lt. Gov. Brian A. Benjamin of New York, the state’s second-in-command to Gov. Kathy Hochul, surrendered early Tuesday morning to face a federal bribery conspiracy indictment in connection with a scheme to funnel fraudulent donations to a previous campaign, according to people with knowledge of the matter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... -rcna24123
Jason Ravnsborg was suspended ahead of a Senate trial, which could result in permanent removal from office if a two-thirds majority votes to convict him.
Yeah. Of everything that happened that summer, that seemed clearly the most egregious. How they could have been cleared is unfathomable.
"that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
I stopped reading his stuff quite a long time ago, and have no idea what his current ideas are, but maybe he's throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, maybe the crazier the better (to get attention that he lost years ago). ??? No idea.malchior wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:16 pm Nate Silver's journey into incoherence and irrelevance is pretty much complete. Political handicapping was his touchstone and this idea he has been pushing lately is patently laughable. We have reams of evidence that people are voting in line with all sorts of fake issues. His belief that somehow there is alignment between the state of the economy and economics is also...baffling. What's the theory here? Who knows because he doesn't actually explain any of this in any sort of coherent rigorous way.
In any just world it would be unfathomable. In this highly unjust timeline it's par for the course and expected.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:40 am"that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
-Inigo Montoya
Totes fathomable. I would even say typical and unsurprising in the current political/rule of law(lessness) climate.
Assuming this is rhetorical. Cause we all know exactly what’s going to happen.
In a 36-31 vote, the House decided to impeach the attorney general both for crimes and malfeasance in office.
Semi-rhetorical.
The letter included multiple errors and appeared to have been a draft that was not completed before its release. In one sentence, words that were supposed to have been deleted appeared as strike throughs. In the opening sentence he had the wrong date of the accident.
But those opening paragraphs of the letter slammed Noem, who called on his resignation and then impeachment over a year ago. Ravnsborg accused the governor of using the accident as a political weapon. Her motivation, he said, was to install a new attorney general of her choosing.
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He accused Noem of violating his due process rights and privacy rights, and said that his office's investigations into her activities played a role in her animosity toward him.
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Ravnsborg also issued an apology to Boever's family.
"It has been 576 days since the accident," he wrote. "I mark it on my calendar each day and reflect. I want to say, 'I am Sorry'. Every day I think about Joe Boever, a man I had never met, who changed my life forever. I am sorry the family has had to endure this tragedy in so many ways and has been put in the middle of this highly political situation."
Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:20 amIt's also a sorta outcome. The majority of GOP members still voted to not impeach. And the process...was not great to get there. The Senate trial could very well exonerate him because there are only 3 Democrats out of 35 in the SD Senate. Worse this is essentially watching infighting between Trumpists. Is this happening because of 'rule of law' or local party power politics? It sure looks a ton like the latter.
To me I think there's a pretty big distinction between like the Russian hack and release of e-mails (which I think would be hard to dispute that that had a big impact) and Russian troll farm-esque activity ("Comes to rally today to support on Trump against Clinton!!!"), which *could* have had a material impact but that's a tougher / less clear argument to make.malchior wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:16 pm Nate Silver's journey into incoherence and irrelevance is pretty much complete. Political handicapping was his touchstone and this idea he has been pushing lately is patently laughable. We have reams of evidence that people are voting in line with all sorts of fake issues. His belief that somehow there is some overarching alignment between the state of the economy and (edit: party affiliation) is also...baffling. What's the theory here? Who knows because he doesn't actually explain any of this in any sort of coherent rigorous way.
IMO that is one and the same activity. The assessments I've seen, my own thoughts, even revelations from the Mueller report point to strong evidence that the Russians had an organized campaign to influence our elections. Troll farms, hacking, and other forms of misinformation were part of a single larger campaign to impact our elections and they succeeded beyond anyone's expectations. They were targeted but also opportunistic. For example, the hacking portion provided some of fuel for the misinformation campaign to leverage. They were just more effective because they were anchored to tangible evidence but that didn't also prevent manufactured stories as well. Beyond the Russia angle we had and still have destabilizing impacts of social media that amplified the foreign attacks and paired up with domestic misinformation as well.El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:34 amTo me I think there's a pretty big distinction between like the Russian hack and release of e-mails (which I think would be hard to dispute that that had a big impact) and Russian troll farm-esque activity ("Comes to rally today to support on Trump against Clinton!!!"), which *could* have had a material impact but that's a tougher / less clear argument to make.malchior wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:16 pm Nate Silver's journey into incoherence and irrelevance is pretty much complete. Political handicapping was his touchstone and this idea he has been pushing lately is patently laughable. We have reams of evidence that people are voting in line with all sorts of fake issues. His belief that somehow there is some overarching alignment between the state of the economy and (edit: party affiliation) is also...baffling. What's the theory here? Who knows because he doesn't actually explain any of this in any sort of coherent rigorous way.
There was clearly an organized Russian campaign to influence our elections. The question is to what extent has it succeeded in terms of changing electoral outcomes, and if so which parts of the campaign have done so. Has anyone written a comprehensive paper on this question? That Trump won in 2016 isn't really enough to conclude that the Russian campaign changed the outcome. Not that this would be an easy thing to prove, but I think we need more than Russian campaign + Trump win.malchior wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:14 pmIMO that is one and the same activity. The assessments I've seen, my own thoughts, even revelations from the Mueller report point to strong evidence that the Russians had an organized campaign to influence our elections. Troll farms, hacking, and other forms of misinformation were part of a single larger campaign to impact our elections and they succeeded beyond anyone's expectations. They were targeted but also opportunistic. For example, the hacking portion provided some of fuel for the misinformation campaign to leverage. They were just more effective because they were anchored to tangible evidence but that didn't also prevent manufactured stories as well. Beyond the Russia angle we had and still have destabilizing impacts of social media that amplified the foreign attacks and paired up with domestic misinformation as well.El Guapo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:34 amTo me I think there's a pretty big distinction between like the Russian hack and release of e-mails (which I think would be hard to dispute that that had a big impact) and Russian troll farm-esque activity ("Comes to rally today to support on Trump against Clinton!!!"), which *could* have had a material impact but that's a tougher / less clear argument to make.malchior wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:16 pm Nate Silver's journey into incoherence and irrelevance is pretty much complete. Political handicapping was his touchstone and this idea he has been pushing lately is patently laughable. We have reams of evidence that people are voting in line with all sorts of fake issues. His belief that somehow there is some overarching alignment between the state of the economy and (edit: party affiliation) is also...baffling. What's the theory here? Who knows because he doesn't actually explain any of this in any sort of coherent rigorous way.
It's impossible IMO to cohesively and competently analyze recent elections if they are handwaved aside in favor of 'mostly the economy' type analysis. That model is just too simple. That is part of the way I evaluate this at least. Especially considering how even the most outlandish rumors are able to be amplified nowadays. It also doesn't model the why the electorate is so divided in such exploitable ways which are also misinformation driven.
His used of underbaked seems backwards to me. Seems like the word he was looking for was overbaked.malchior wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:16 pm Nate Silver's journey into incoherence and irrelevance is pretty much complete. Political handicapping was his touchstone and this idea he has been pushing lately is patently laughable. We have reams of evidence that people are voting in line with all sorts of fake issues. His belief that somehow there is some overarching alignment between the state of the economy and (edit: party affiliation) is also...baffling. What's the theory here? Who knows because he doesn't actually explain any of this in any sort of coherent rigorous way.
overbaked
/ˌōvərˈbākt/
adjective
1.
(of food) baked too much or for too long.
"an overbaked cake"
2.
done to excess; exaggerated.
"a laughably overbaked conclusion"
Definition of half-baked
1a : poorly developed or carried out a half-baked idea half-baked research
b : lacking adequate planning or forethought a half-baked scheme for getting rich
c : lacking in judgment, intelligence, or common sense
