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I got a call from my very good friend tonight. He and his husband moved to Texas last year, and they're getting ready to abandon ship. They wanted to pick my brain about some places I've lived. The general gist I got is that the gay community is rallying themselves and actively supporting the mass migration that's about to happen.

It was brought up that the most fabulous thing they could do would be to coordinate all of the non-cis people in the affected states and move en masse to any two or three purple states.
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Blackhawk wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:18 pm I got a call from my very good friend tonight. He and his husband moved to Texas last year, and they're getting ready to abandon ship. They wanted to pick my brain about some places I've lived. The general gist I got is that the gay community is rallying themselves and actively supporting the mass migration that's about to happen.

It was brought up that the most fabulous thing they could do would be to coordinate all of the non-cis people in the affected states and move en masse to any two or three purple states.
Well, that would have the downside of removing a lot of blue-leaning people from states (like TX) that could go purple. And I wonder if people who were drawn to TX would find places like PA, MI, or WI appealing. But I do like the sentiment.
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Kraken wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:57 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:18 pm I got a call from my very good friend tonight. He and his husband moved to Texas last year, and they're getting ready to abandon ship. They wanted to pick my brain about some places I've lived. The general gist I got is that the gay community is rallying themselves and actively supporting the mass migration that's about to happen.

It was brought up that the most fabulous thing they could do would be to coordinate all of the non-cis people in the affected states and move en masse to any two or three purple states.
Well, that would have the downside of removing a lot of blue-leaning people from states (like TX) that could go purple. And I wonder if people who were drawn to TX would find places like PA, MI, or WI appealing. But I do like the sentiment.
They're leaving Texas anyway - for their own safety. And with the rising attacks, it sound like a good idea. The sentiment is that certain states are one bad day away from an LGBTQ version of kristallnacht, and they don't want to be there for that.

And if they left Florida and Texas and flipped PA, MI, and WI from purple to blue, it would likely be more impactful than making Texas purple (especially when those two states are in the midst of a red fervor.)
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Very well then, you have my blessing. Unleash the gays.

Seriously, I understand why they're leaving and I would, too.
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Blackhawk wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:56 am They're leaving Texas anyway - for their own safety. And with the rising attacks, it sound like a good idea. The sentiment is that certain states are one bad day away from an LGBTQ version of kristallnacht, and they don't want to be there for that.
I'm sorry to read all this, but I honestly can't blame them. Saw this earlier:

If you are straight and cisgendered, over the next few years you may start seeing and hearing LGBTQ people a lot less.

It may be very gradual and subtle, and therefore hard for you to notice.

So, I'm going to say now, while you can still see and hear me- this was deliberate.

Do not for one moment allow yourself to believe that LGBTQ people simply lost a taste for "identity politics" or that LGBTQ identities were a phase or a fad.

They're driving us out with laws and violence and, perhaps soon, violent laws.

Perhaps there's more you could or should be doing about this, but maybe you, like me, are racking your brain and feeling helpless.

One thing you can do is cement the truth in your mind of what is hapening. When the time comes at least you can tell the truth to your children.

I've been accused of being too negative, and that's fair enough.

But what I see is mainstream news outlets who 5 yrs ago would run a story like "First Openly Trans Woman Does X" aren't running those stories. But they are running "Shouldn't There Be Less Trans People, Maybe?"

Trans journalists are leaving journalism or going private if they have a big enough audience. I know bc I'm one of them. Can't place stories, not as much interest.

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I guess this guy doesn't listen to NPR.
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What does the "cis" in cisgender stand for?
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:03 pm What does the "cis" in cisgender stand for?
I tried typing it all out, but the dictionary does it better:
As the term transgender has become increasingly prominent in the lexicon, a contrasting term has also settled into the language. Cisgender (also styled as cisgendered and often shortened to cis) describes someone whose internal sense of gender corresponds with the sex the person had or was identified as having at birth. Most people can be described as cisgender. If the pronouncement your mom heard at your birth—It's a girl! or It's a boy!—still feels like it was accurate, then you're cisgender.
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While transgender dates to at least 1970, cisgender is a child of the 1990s: our evidence dates it back as far as 1994. It got its first element from a prefix that means "on this side," from the Latin cis or citra, which has the same meaning.

Interestingly enough, cis has been an adjective with an entirely different meaning since the late 19th century. It's defined in this dictionary as "characterized by having certain atoms or groups of atoms on the same side of the longitudinal axis of a double bond or of the plane of a ring in a molecule."
I always took it to mean that 'cis' conferred "alignment" with how someone felt (internally) and how they identified (to the world) - atoms or groups of atoms on the same side. Where 'trans' has them oppositely aligned.
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Jaymann wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:03 pm What does the "cis" in cisgender stand for?
It's the opposite of trans. There are trans fats and cis fats. for instance.
In this case cisgender means, 'your gender' matches your biological sex (at birth).

The above is from my non-binary autistic kid - so it must be accurate.
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Makes sense if a bit obscure. I looked up the definition but didn't see the origin.
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Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'
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Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:32 pm
Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'
So, if I drive to the grocery store down the street, it's a cisoceanic voyage. Got it.
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And my younger brother and his partner STILL are posting frequently on facebook about how much they love Trump and the republican party. I just don't get it. They own a friggin' camp that caters to the gay community, for Christ's sake. You'd think a group that openly wants you gone, or at the very least hidden from view, would be the LAST one you'd want to be a part of. :grund:
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hepcat wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:08 pm And my younger brother and his partner STILL are posting frequently on facebook about how much they love Trump and the republican party. I just don't get it. They own a friggin' camp that caters to the gay community, for Christ's sake. You'd think a group that openly wants you gone, or at the very least hidden from view, would be the LAST one you'd want to be a part of. :grund:
What's their single-issue? I mean I have to assume they have one.
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I wish it were a single political issue, but it's not. It's more cultural issues. They were both born and raised in a very red area....as was I. But they met in and then moved to equally red areas. My brother's partner is an ex marine who vehemently defends his right to own guns, and railed against the government allowing parents to get gender reassignment procedures for children the last time i saw him (for some reason that really bothered him).. They've bought into the cultural narrative of the Trumpers and consider the BLM movement and Antifa to be the boogeyman plaguing our country. The list goes on from there. Immigration, cancel culture, etc..
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:20 pm
hepcat wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:08 pm And my younger brother and his partner STILL are posting frequently on facebook about how much they love Trump and the republican party. I just don't get it. They own a friggin' camp that caters to the gay community, for Christ's sake. You'd think a group that openly wants you gone, or at the very least hidden from view, would be the LAST one you'd want to be a part of. :grund:
What's their single-issue? I mean I have to assume they have one.
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hepcat wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:08 pm And my younger brother and his partner STILL are posting frequently on facebook about how much they love Trump and the republican party. I just don't get it. They own a friggin' camp that caters to the gay community, for Christ's sake. You'd think a group that openly wants you gone, or at the very least hidden from view, would be the LAST one you'd want to be a part of. :grund:
Knowing where you grew up and out of curiosity is his camp the Circle JJ? (This is a serious question, as the circle JJ is a real gay ranch).
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They left Ohio ages ago. I'm hesitant to give out the name on a public forum in light of my complaining.
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hepcat wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:58 pm They left Ohio ages ago. I'm hesitant to give out the name on a public forum in light of my complaining.
That's understandable. But if they left Ohio, then it's not the one I was thinking of anyway.
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One of my best friends in college was a gay Catholic Republican with AIDS studying for his Masters in Divinity. He received early trials for one of the med cocktails that kept him alive until his brain fried from the side effects. He fought to open the first GLBT Alliance at a Catholic college in the 90s, and to keep the College Republicans open without discrimination against Log Cabin Republicans.

He viewed the religious right as dangerous elements antithetical to the Republican freedoms. He wanted his own farmland to keep his gay friends safe, with the tax-free money free of regulation to realize his right to bear arms against any trespassers — especially the college socialists. He loved Pride Parade but yelled at anyone who militantly raised their fists there — because historically defiantly yelling anti-police slogans would get you beaten up as well as bad publicity. Better to show them that your blood was as American red as theirs, he argued.
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In case you're wondering what's coming next


And there it is. Ted Cruz says the Supreme Court was wrong to legalize same-sex marriage.
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Or maybe this is coming next:
In the four years since opening a one-person firm in Austin, Mitchell has litigated on a wide range of issues, including affirmative action, marriage equality, and contraception mandates.

Mitchell now has set his sights on Descovy and Truvada, two medications that help prevent HIV transmission when taken as PrEP, or pre-exposure prophylaxis, because those medications enable homosexual behavior, the suit states.

In the case Kelley v. the United States of America, filed in federal court in 2020, Mitchell represents several clients who object to the Affordable Care Act’s mandate that insurance providers cover, among other things, preventive medications specifically for PrEP.

“The PrEP mandate forces religious employers to provide coverage for drugs that facilitate and encourage homosexual behavior, prostitution, sexual promiscuity, and intravenous drug use,” the lawsuit states. “It also compels religious employers and religious individuals who purchase health insurance to subsidize these behaviors as a condition of purchasing health insurance.”
I don't even know what to say anymore. It's a full-on assault on every aspect of social and cultural progress from the last 50+ years.
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I require a reminder as to why raining arcane destruction is not an appropriate response to all of life's indignities.
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Sometimes it feels like it should be, I have to agree. :(
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Smoove_B wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:59 pm Or maybe this is coming next:
In the four years since opening a one-person firm in Austin, Mitchell has litigated on a wide range of issues, including affirmative action, marriage equality, and contraception mandates.

Mitchell now has set his sights on Descovy and Truvada, two medications that help prevent HIV transmission when taken as PrEP, or pre-exposure prophylaxis, because those medications enable homosexual behavior, the suit states.

In the case Kelley v. the United States of America, filed in federal court in 2020, Mitchell represents several clients who object to the Affordable Care Act’s mandate that insurance providers cover, among other things, preventive medications specifically for PrEP.

“The PrEP mandate forces religious employers to provide coverage for drugs that facilitate and encourage homosexual behavior, prostitution, sexual promiscuity, and intravenous drug use,” the lawsuit states. “It also compels religious employers and religious individuals who purchase health insurance to subsidize these behaviors as a condition of purchasing health insurance.”
I don't even know what to say anymore. It's a full-on assault on every aspect of social and cultural progress from the last 50+ years.
I'd be willing to bet that he's a recreational Viagra user. This is such a strange crusade.
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I hate that I feel this way, but I'm at the point now where I secretly root for Anonymous and other groups to dox these people. Find evidence they are hypocrites and post that info.

But as I said, I hate that I feel this way. :(
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hepcat wrote:I hate that I feel this way, but I'm at the point now where I secretly root for Anonymous and other groups to dox these people. Find evidence they are hypocrites and post that info.

But as I said, I hate that I feel this way. :(
It is a weird position to be in. We try to be the bigger people. I suppose, ask Mueller, Comey and maybe Garland, Schumer, and Pelosi how thats going? For decades the extremists have been screaming that we are at war and everyone in the middle said wtf are you talking about, that isnt a thing. And it kept creeping and creeping. And the right became more and more brazen. And we said its not a war its a disagreement. Then trump came along and made a lot more people choose sides. And a lot of people started realizing they were on the wrong side and others started to bunker down in their tribe as the world became more heated. Then Jan 6 happened and every said, Are we in an actual fight? Nah, that was one small group doing something EVERYONE disgrees with. Then the congressional minority said it wasn't an insurrection, and the official republican platform said it was righteous, and it involved the family and knowledge of the supreme court. And instead of recusing and apologizing, the supreme court has gone to war on 60- 80 percent of the country. And state governments have gone to war against their own people. And the war profiteers are making record profits while the proles fight each other. And the inquisition is gather firewood in towns all across the country.

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Waiting for news articles...
267-157, House approves bill to codify same-sex marriage. Forty-seven Republicans voted for it. All NO votes were Republicans.
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Smoove_B wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:13 pm Waiting for news articles...
267-157, House approves bill to codify same-sex marriage. Forty-seven Republicans voted for it. All NO votes were Republicans.
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Wary of political fallout, GOP leaders did not direct their lawmakers to hold the party line against the bill, aides said.

...

While the Respect for Marriage Act is expected to pass the House, with a Democratic majority, it is almost certain to stall in the evenly split Senate, where most Republicans would likely join a filibuster to block it. It’s one of several bills, including those enshrining abortion access, that Democrats are proposing to confront the court’s conservative majority. Another bill, guaranteeing access to contraceptive services, is set for a vote later this week.
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I saw a picture of Brad Pitt in a skirt today. I'm sorry but guys should do that.
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dbt1949 wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:54 am I saw a picture of Brad Pitt in a skirt today. I'm sorry but guys should do that.
I'll have to take a pass on that.
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I meant to say "not". :oops:
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dbt1949 wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:44 am I meant to say "not". :oops:
Oh, now you tell me?
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And to top it off his legs aren't that good.
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dbt1949 wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:54 am I saw a picture of Brad Pitt in a skirt today. I'm sorry but guys should do that.
I disagree (assuming the implied and now implicitly corrected not). Wear whatever the hell you find comfortable, fun or makes you happy. It's not for me, but who am I to say what anyone else should wear?
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If you haven't personally tried wearing a utilikilt, don't knock it.
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coopasonic wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:04 pm
dbt1949 wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:54 am I saw a picture of Brad Pitt in a skirt today. I'm sorry but guys should do that.
I disagree (assuming the implied and now implicitly corrected not). Wear whatever the hell you find comfortable, fun or makes you happy. It's not for me, but who am I to say what anyone else should wear?
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