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How is that dodgy?
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:29 am How is that dodgy?
I edited quick but keep in mind this guy is (was!) Ukrainian. He was a streamer who basically styled himself as telling the truth about what Ukraine was really doing (aka Pro-Putin fan fiction) and self-appointed himself a leader in the occupied region. Putin legitimized him as an official. They made a big deal of him getting his Russian passport. Etc. He was pretty reviled so I won't be shocked to hear that either side killed him for one reason or another but I'd lean heavily into Ukraine partisan above all other causes. But also possible is Russian house cleaning.
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Another crazy rumor right now (heaping grains of salt) is that the Ukrainians are capturing hundreds of Russian soldiers dressed up as civilians in villages north and east of Kherson city. Are they deserters? Clumsy infiltrators? It seems like the locals weren't having it and started turning them in.

Edit: Found some corroboration

Edit 2: Thinking it through these might be folks that simply got left behind too - the Russians are calling this a strategic withdrawal but the Ukrainians essentially harried them so much it turned into a rout much like what happened in the east recently as well. That might be why last night Biden seemingly hardened on Zelensky's position (no sleep until Crimea). Well maybe not Crimea (which might be a stretch) but he did say Putin out of Ukraine and we officially recognize Crimea as part of Ukraine still.

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Was he thrown from the vehicle? I'd score that as a variant of window-adjacent demise.
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Max Peck wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:06 am Was he thrown from the vehicle? I'd score that as a variant of window-adjacent demise.
No. You don't have to worry about being ejected from a vehicle when you're safely duck-taped to the seat.
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LOL to both posts above. :clap:
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Super nice to see.
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I wonder where they kept that massive flag hidden during the Russian occupation? That's not something you whip up with poster paint and a pillow case.
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I'm sure we're not hearing everything, and probably some war crimes will come out, but I'm surprised that we're not seeing a bloody housecleaning in newly liberated areas.

Wars in Eastern Europe usually aren't very tolerant of collaborators.
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Russia has been telling civilians to evacuate from Kherson for several weeks now. I'd expect that most if not all open collaborators there did so.

The Kharkiv counteroffensive was relatively unexpected and rapid, so if there was a reckoning with collaborators, that's where I'd expect to hear about it.
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Ok, I cried at this:

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Likewise. Didn't even take 9 seconds.
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My god that's beautiful. Thanks for sharing Grifman.
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Blackhawk wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:47 pm I wonder where they kept that massive flag hidden during the Russian occupation? That's not something you whip up with poster paint and a pillow case.
“In a video the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine posted, one woman in Kherson digs up a Ukrainian flag buried under paving slabs that appears to have been hidden when Putin's troops seized the city.“
Not the same flag, but it speaks to the resourcefulness and pride/patriotism of the people under duress.
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There's another video making the rounds that shows a woman that had put a Ukrainian flag into a jar and buried it to hide it from the Russians.
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Also disgusting



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It surprises me Russia doesn't know his whereabouts and can't get a missile on him.
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CNBC is reporting AP is reporting Russian missile went into Poland. 2 are dead.

Verification still pending.

Edit: Apparently this reported 9 hours ago...

https://www.abqjournal.com/2549717/zele ... rshed.html
US official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2

By Associated Press
Published: Tuesday, November 15th, 2022 at 2:40AM
DEVELOPING... Story will be updated as new information can be verified. Updated 4 times

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — A senior U.S. intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing two people.

Polish government spokesman Piotr Mueller did not immediately confirm the information, but said top leaders were holding an emergency meeting due to a “crisis situation.”

Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.
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Rumor that a Russian missile overshot and killed a few people in Poland. Then this.
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Well that's not great. The problem with a reckless war driven by incompetents. You always risk escalation. I'm sure the morons will start rambling again about negotiating again.
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That's one way to get Polish F16s into Ukrainian air space...
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Not good. Hopefully Putin’s smart enough to apologize immediately.
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At a minimum, I suspect that a Patriot missile battery might be deployed at the Polish border. Now I'd be interested in how far into Ukrainian territory can a Patriot battery cover and if the rules of engagement might err on the side of intercepting a missile that's flying in the general direction of Poland, even it's in Ukrainian territory. :think:
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:17 pm Not good. Hopefully Putin’s smart enough to apologize immediately.
Does "Sorry, but that wasn't one of our missiles" qualify as an apology?

There seems to be evidence that the missile as actually a Ukrainian S-300 SAM.

So what crashed in the village of Przewodów, Poland today?

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we analyzed the available photos of fragments and came to a clear conclusion that they belong to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one.
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The investigation is underway but what is starting to come out is that the debris from a shootdown of a Russian cruise missile is what killed the folks in Poland. They are finding remnants of both devices and appears it wasn't a conventional explosion but a fire from the debris and unexpended fuel from both the missile and the rocket.



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Blaming the Ukrainian defenses? That seems a bit harsh. I mean, if Russia wasn't sending missiles, then Ukraine wouldn't be defending, right?

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A blast that killed two people in Poland was most likely an accident caused by a Ukrainian defense missile hitting a Russian attack missile
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Who was responsible for having missiles in places where they could land on Poland?

Hold Ukraine responsible, and more Russian missiles will start being diverted to a via-Poland (or other third-party nation) flight plan.
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FWIW Poland's articulated position is the Russians are ultimately responsible for the incident.
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It does matter that Russia (apparently) wasn't intentionally targeting a location in Poland. Indicates that Russia wasn't trying to escalate the war, and gives Poland less of a casus belli or reason to intervene more directly. But it doesn't make Russia's aggression against Ukraine any less intolerable, of course.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:13 pm Indicates that Russia wasn't trying to escalate the war, and gives Poland NATO less of a casus belli or reason to intervene more directly.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:16 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:13 pm Indicates that Russia wasn't trying to escalate the war, and gives Poland NATO less of a casus belli or reason to intervene more directly.
True.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:13 pmIndicates that Russia wasn't trying to escalate the war, and gives Poland less of a casus belli or reason to intervene more directly.
Zero parties want escalation so this circumstance was fortuitous because all parties didn't have to spend extraordinary effort to avoid escalation.
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I have a friend in the Navy who was in meetings all day at the Pentagon yesterday re: this incident. He sent me a text that simply said, "WW3 averted...for now." :D
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WW3 ?

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El Guapo wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:13 pm It does matter that Russia (apparently) wasn't intentionally targeting a location in Poland.
I never thought that they were - I figured it was a targeting error/malfunction rather than a deliberate attack. If Russia was going to deliberately attack Poland, it wouldn't be two missiles into farmland.
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Another "suicide".
“Yes, Colonel Boyko committed suicide within the walls of the [naval college],” the unnamed sources were quoted saying.

Reporting by the Russian Telegram channel Baza described a very different series of events, however.

The channel, citing unspecified sources, said multiple gunshots were heard outside Boyko’s office just before the desk sergeant went in and found his body with five gunshot wounds to the chest.

No suicide note was found at the scene, according to Baza, and investigators found five shell casings and four Makarov pistols.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-colo ... 32020.html




LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:46 pm

Proper Russians use a poke from an umbrella.
Domestically they use defenestration or 9x18 Makarov.
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Don't discount the possibility that he was "fragged" too lightly.
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