Canada 2015-25 and Beyond: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

[WYBaugh]

Why would anyone want to join this shit hole country?

We're going through a rough time with idiots running the show, but hopefully that will change. We're still far from the worst country in the world.

It was an older Trump comment. And just a joke.

Ah, okay. I was hoping it wasn't an indication that you were giving up.

Never!

[hepcat]

We gotta fight the good fight, brother!

[Rumpy]

Well, you have a point. But I do wish he'd have more respect for our Country.

He doesn't even respect his own country. Its all bluster and won't / can't happen FFS.

Easy to say, but you have to realize how it feels. It feels like someone who's standing over you and breathing down your neck. He's not said it once or twice, but multiple times. We are a target of his fixation, which is scary, and we didn't even do anything to earn it other than simply existing. This is why we have to work hard to stand up to him.

[Rumpy]

Thought I'd share this. I originally posted it in the Trumponics thread, but I figure it's probaby more appropriate here. This is one of the best, if not the best impersonation I've seen.

[stimpy]

We gonna need a bigger flag....

[naednek]

Well, we couldn't very well make the entire country one state. Especially a mostly-blue state. We'd have to gerrymander your provinces to turn 3/4 of them red before they'd be eligible for statehood.

Out of idle curiosity, if Canada's provinces all became states in their current form, how many would be blue vs. red?

[naednek]

We gonna need a bigger flag....

damn you. I saw this like 3 hours ago and then saw Kraken's response later. I couldnt' remember where I found and spent 15 minutes scrolling reddit and you beat me to it

[stimpy]

I'm fully behind the takeover if it means this guy finally comes back to what will then be southern USA.

[Rumpy]

Well, we couldn't very well make the entire country one state. Especially a mostly-blue state. We'd have to gerrymander your provinces to turn 3/4 of them red before they'd be eligible for statehood.

Out of idle curiosity, if Canada's provinces all became states in their current form, how many would be blue vs. red?

The funny thing is that most of them would be blue. Most of Canada sits left. The right-wingers are few. So, even if he hypothetically takes us over, I don't see how it would be any advantage to him. I could maybe see Alberta being red, but that's it.

[Alefroth]

The funny thing is that most of them would be blue. Most of Canada sits left. The right-wingers are few. So, even if he hypothetically takes us over, I don't see how it would be any advantage to him. I could maybe see Alberta being red, but that's it.

That seems in direct conflict with Goo's answer.

[IceBear]

We gonna need a bigger flag....

It's shit like that, that truly infuriates me. I know he's trolling but too many of his people are going to want it to be a reality.

[IceBear]

The funny thing is that most of them would be blue. Most of Canada sits left. The right-wingers are few. So, even if he hypothetically takes us over, I don't see how it would be any advantage to him. I could maybe see Alberta being red, but that's it.

That seems in direct conflict with Goo's answer.

Up here, our Liberal party (your Democrats) uses the color red and our PC party (your Republican party) uses blue

[Holman]

It's shit like that, that truly infuriates me. I know he's trolling but too many of his people are going to want it to be a reality.

Trump is a bad comedian who thinks he's a great comedian.

If you've ever forced yourself to watch a few of his rallies, it's clear that he lives for the applause lines, so much so that he sometimes comes back around and tells the same joke or makes the same outrageous claim more than once at the same rally.

"We're taking Canada/Greenland/The Panama Canal" is one of those lines. It's just more visible because he's doing it over and over on social media rather than at a rally. And of course the MAGAs are riding high on the fart-smell of their victory, so it's all a huge feedback loop of self-congratulation.

Trump can't invade Canada or Greenland. There's simply no way. But what he *can* do is weaken NATO or even soft-quit the alliance, and stoking MAGA mockery of other NATO countries makes that easier to pull off.

[LawBeefaroni]

Well, we couldn't very well make the entire country one state. Especially a mostly-blue state. We'd have to gerrymander your provinces to turn 3/4 of them red before they'd be eligible for statehood.

Out of idle curiosity, if Canada's provinces all became states in their current form, how many would be blue vs. red?

The funny thing is that most of them would be blue. Most of Canada sits left. The right-wingers are few. So, even if he hypothetically takes us over, I don't see how it would be any advantage to him. I could maybe see Alberta being red, but that's it.

Gerrymandering, fellow citizen. Gerrymandering.

[GreenGoo]

That seems in direct conflict with Goo's answer.

The colours are reversed up here. Since Kraken asked about red/blue, I gave him the answer he asked, not the question he meant to ask.

And come on guys. It's like you've never been trolled before. Getting you worked up is most of the point. I get it, it's annoying and insulting. Welcome to the US of A in 2025.

Next thing you can expect from your obnoxious new neighbour is speakers pointed north playing Nugent and Kid Rock at 1am. Getting sweaty just makes trolls enjoy it all the more. Don't give them what they want. Don't feed the trolls.

[Rumpy]

The funny thing is that most of them would be blue. Most of Canada sits left. The right-wingers are few. So, even if he hypothetically takes us over, I don't see how it would be any advantage to him. I could maybe see Alberta being red, but that's it.

That seems in direct conflict with Goo's answer.

Up here, our Liberal party (your Democrats) uses the color red and our PC party (your Republican party) uses blue

Yep, that too. When I tell Americans this, it's often accompanied by surprise. See, we can play the confusion game too

[Alefroth]

That seems in direct conflict with Goo's answer.

The colours are reversed up here. Since Kraken asked about red/blue, I gave him the answer he asked, not the question he meant to ask.

Oh, I thought you had edited your answer to align it with his frame of reference.

[GreenGoo]

Oh, I thought you had edited your answer to align it with his frame of reference.

Yeah, sorry. Whoops.

We have universal healthcare. That should answer the question without colours confusing things.

[IceBear]

That seems in direct conflict with Goo's answer.

The colours are reversed up here. Since Kraken asked about red/blue, I gave him the answer he asked, not the question he meant to ask.

And come on guys. It's like you've never been trolled before. Getting you worked up is most of the point. I get it, it's annoying and insulting. Welcome to the US of A in 2025.

Next thing you can expect from your obnoxious new neighbour is speakers pointed north playing Nugent and Kid Rock at 1am. Getting sweaty just makes trolls enjoy it all the more. Don't give them what they want. Don't feed the trolls.

I understand what you're saying logically...I have just gotten so jaded with the bad guys winning all the time that I have about given up. Pollieve has everyone excited by "Axe the Tax" but I have yet to hear how they are planning on dealing with climate change (I know, they're just going to deny it and kill us all a little faster). I was hoping for the good guys to win once and awhile, but I have given up on that.

Pulled into my local grocery store just before Christmas and there were two big pickup trucks in front of me with "Axe the Tax" and "Fuck Trudeau" stickers in their windows. I get it, money is tight, but people need to use their brains and maybe not drive monster sized trucks if gas is that expensive

[Max Peck]

We have universal healthcare.

For now. Maybe we should put a pin in that and see what Pierre can accomplish in a few years if he gets a majority government (assuming Trump doesn't just invade and break everything we have).

Side note: I'm old enough to remember when a Canadian googling "Pierre" would get at least some hits on Pierre Trudeau. Now it's wall-to-wall Poilievre (with a side of Jordan Peterson talking about Poilievre). Thanks Google AI...

Fun political slogan: You can't spell Poilievre without lie!

[hepcat]

We gonna need a bigger flag....

Now ask Trump to find the Gulf of Mexico OR the Gulf of America on that map.

[Rumpy]

Pulled into my local grocery store just before Christmas and there were two big pickup trucks in front of me with "Axe the Tax" and "Fuck Trudeau" stickers in their windows. I get it, money is tight, but people need to use their brains and maybe not drive monster sized trucks if gas is that expensive

Yep, we have some of those camped out in a parking lot near a set of lights every weekend. Wonder what they're gonna do now that Trudeau resigned. They were all getting together with signs and getting people to honk their horns, and they'd been doing this every weekend since 2 years ago after the Trucker encampment in Ottawa.

[Kraken]

Out of idle curiosity, if Canada's provinces all became states in their current form, how many would be blue vs. red?

The liberal leaning areas would be lumped together into one state while the conservative areas would be divided into a dozen or more Dakotas with two senators each.

Yeah, I said they'd have to be gerrymandered to suit the fascists. That's why I specified "in their current form." If we just integrated them as-is, with each province becoming a state, the US would gain a whole lot of Dem senators overnight (is my impression, anyway).

[Rumpy]

Oh and I realize how I contributed to the confusion. In trying to make it easier to understand, I was using the American colors (Blue Dems, Red Repbubs) as that is what would be most recognizable to Americans. I was not using the Canadian colours (red Libs, Cons Blue). What we were saying though boiled down to the same thing.

[Max Peck]

Traditionally, it was said that even Canadian conservatives would be American Democrats in terms of policy, but that was before Preston Manning, Doris Day (if you know, you know), Stephen Harper and their fellow travellers began moving the Canadian right more in line with the American GOP.

[Rumpy]

Yeah, and I would say it sharpened drastically during Trudeau's reign and the whole trucker encampment. Maybe it's always been there, but it became more prevalent, and now I think it would be fair to say the Conservatives are more closely aligned to Republicans.

[Rumpy]

This is a good article. It expands on what GG and I have been saying:

The answer, our analysis found, is that Democrats would benefit significantly, with the new great state of Canada serving as a kind of second California, a massive blue state that would hold dozens of House seats and create a huge Democratic advantage in the Electoral College.

Canada would be solidly blue, and we’re not just talking about the temperature: An informal survey of our colleagues in the Great White North — subscribe to Ottawa Playbook! — found they were confident their countrymen would vote for Democrats, and a hypothetical preelection poll found Canadians overwhelmingly siding with Kamala Harris over Trump.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/0 ... ege-001966

[GreenGoo]

I no longer have confidence in my opinions of my fellow Canadians. I wouldn't bet money on which way this would turn out.

[Rumpy]

Yeah, Polievre is really turning the screw, so to speak.

[Rumpy]

I don't know if anyone's seen this, but this is a great speech by Elizabeth May, who for Americans who may not know, is the Leader of the Green Party.

[LordMortis]

She doesn't ask to take Michigan. Please!!!! Those who don't want to go can go to Ohio or Kentucky.

[Rumpy]

I'm sure it could be arranged

[GreenGoo]

The fact that very serious politicians are giving this any attention at all, and that it is all over the media wherever I go, I assume means we are living in a reality tv show. Not sure for who. Perhaps Omicron Persei 8.

I mean, really. What's next? Bat boy?

I get that it is news worthy that the president elect of the USofA said it. I don't get that it is worthy of discussion beyond "what is he smoking?" or "is he mentally fit for the presidency?"

[Rumpy]

Well, it is the new reality that we're living in. And it does affect us one way or another. And I rather hear a competent politician than an incompetent one any day.

[GreenGoo]

Well, it is the new reality that we're living in. And it does affect us one way or another. And I rather hear a competent politician than an incompetent one any day.

It's not a reality. It's a contrived controversy.

He is going to take exactly zero steps towards conquering Canada. Geezus H.

Tomorrow he will talk about joining the Eastern Bloc. He doesn't know it doesn't exist any more but he's sure it will be a great day for America.

There are things within his power, and things that aren't. Canada as a 51st state is not. Tariffs are.

[Max Peck]

It's serious enough for academics to write articles on it.

How the U.S. could in fact make Canada an American territory

“We take nothing by conquest…Thank God,” wrote the National Intelligencer and Washington Advertiser, an influential Washington newspaper, in February 1847.

The United States had just purchased 55 per cent of Mexico for US$15 million as part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. The pact concluded the bloody Mexican-American War, which claimed thousands of lives.

Despite the loss of life, and American ambitions to take all of Mexico, the treaty painted the whole experience as a rightful “cession” of land rather than a conquest.

Not impossible, not unthinkable

Every Canadian needs to pay attention to this bit of American history. In one treaty, the U.S. annexed the present-day states of California, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas and Wyoming. It subsequently illegally invaded Indigenous territory in the west.

Canada could be next — perhaps not immediately as the 51st state, but quite possibly as a U.S. territory that would deny Canadians any voting rights for Congress or the presidency, allow only some autonomy and make questions of citizenship ambiguous. The constitutional architecture exists in the U.S. to make it happen.

Impossible? Unthinkable? Many pundits dismiss Trump’s bellicose rhetoric as hot-headed bargaining. It’s just tough talk, they say. Some have argued his bluster is simply part of his favoured “art of the deal” negotiating tactics.

That’s the wrong reading. How Trump could make good on the threat can be found in the U.S. Constitution. There is both potential and precedent for the U.S. to acquire territory through cession or subjugation.

[GreenGoo]

It's serious enough for academics to write articles on it.

Sure, and tenured professors wrote articles about how airplane fuel doesn't burn hot enough to cut through the steel in the twin towers.

I get that it's fun and gets clicks, but honestly, enough is enough. Maybe if the algorithm didn't follow me around and shove 40 new inane articles in my face every day, I wouldn't be as annoyed.

[Rumpy]

Well, it is the new reality that we're living in. And it does affect us one way or another. And I rather hear a competent politician than an incompetent one any day.

It's not a reality. It's a contrived controversy.

He is going to take exactly zero steps towards conquering Canada. Geezus H.

I know that. We know that. But I mean that currently what Trump speaks of does affect us in some ways. And I do feel it's important to stand up to his bullying tactics. And by reality, I mean here's a sitting president spouting nonsense that ends up affecting us, and it's something we'll have to live with for the next 4 years.

And fine, maybe I shouldn't be posting this, in a discussion thread about Canada.

[GreenGoo]

Then I want serious articles about what his grandstanding will impact, not articles that are nothing other than Drumpf says, Trudeau says, with no analysis, or articles like Max posted that take the concept seriously.

He has literally been trolling Americans for 12 years. He turns around and trolls Canadians and we lose our minds. It's embarrassing.

[GreenGoo]

And fine, maybe I shouldn't be posting this, in a discussion thread about Canada.

You can do what you want, and I can do what I want.

You stand up to bully's talking about banging your mom by laughing at them, not by seriously considering the ramifications of what would happen if he actually banged your mom, and repeating that he said it 400 times a day, then asking scholars whether it's possible for the bully to actually have sex with your mom, then publish their article about mom banging.