Secret Hitler

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:23 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:Action on El Guapo: Please nominate as chancellor someone not in the set {Vorret, Holman}.

You should nominate bb2112 so we can have another 7-2 rejected slate.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:26 pm

We used to have cool elections with people selling their salad
The passion is gone, we need therapy!

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:42 pm

Hey Grund, here's my NO vote on anyone who isn't LordMortis as El Gestapos Chancellor.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:01 pm

Go card flip!!

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:15 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Hey Grund, here's my NO vote on anyone who isn't LordMortis as El Gestapos Chancellor.

PMs only so one vote does not influence another.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:12 pm

Moliere

Is the people's chancellor.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:29 pm

El Guapo wrote: Moliere

Is the people's chancellor.

Great, another opportunity to be handed 2 F cards.

Please vote NO.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:20 pm

El Guapo wrote: Moliere

Is the people's chancellor.

Another opportunity for the Rheinvolk to prove their great worth.

What say ye? YES or NO (by PM) to the El Guapo/Moliere ticket?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:08 pm

I'm feeling a real groundswell here. 9-0 vote for El Guapo! And whomever else it was that he picked.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:50 pm

I need votes from Remus West, Scoop20906, and Vorret.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:55 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:I need votes from Remus West, Scoop20906, and Vorret.

I checked with them, and they told me to tell you that they vote yes.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:47 am

El Guapo wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:I need votes from Remus West, Scoop20906, and Vorret.
I checked with them, and they told me to tell you that they vote yes.

Good to hear you got the fascist forum up and running for this game.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:27 pm

We await etc.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:47 pm

The election of El Guapo/Moliere fails on a vote of 7 to 2.

bb2112 YES
Chaosraven NO
El Guapo YES
Holman NO
Molière NO
Remus West NO
Scoop20906 NO
stessier NO
Vorret NO

The failed election counter moves to 3. Random.org enacts the following policy:

FASCIST POLICY

The failed election counter moves to 0.
Veto power is unlocked.

Here's where we stand:

Final Roster

bb2112
Chaosraven
El Guapo
Holman <----- The new Presidential Nominee
Molière
Remus West
Scoop20906
stessier
Vorret

9 players:

5 Liberals
3 normal Fascists
1 Hitler Fascist

The Liberal Policy Track

Elections whiffed: 0
1st Policy Passed? Yes
2nd Policy Passed? Yes
3rd Policy Passed? Yes
4th Policy Passed? Yes
5th Policy Passed? No

The Fascist Policy Track

1st Policy Passed (Chaosraven investigated bb2112's identity)? Yes
2nd Policy Passed (Holman investigated Chaosraven's identity)? Yes
3rd Policy Passed (Moliere selects as the next Presidential candidate)? Yes
4th Policy Passed (Assassination obviated by popular uprising)? Yes
5th Policy Passed (Assassination obviated by popular uprising)? Yes
6th Policy Passed (Fascist Victory)? No

Deck 1 contained: 11 Fascist Policies and 6 Liberal Policies, shuffled.
Deck 2 contained: 8 Fascist Policies and 4 Liberal Policies, shuffled.
Talon count: 4
Discard count: 4
Enacted count: 9 (4 LIBERAL, 5 FASCIST)

Electoral History So Far:

Code: Select all

1. LIBERAL POLICY, Vorret & El Guapo
2. LIBERAL POLICY, bb2112 & Holman
3. FASCIST POLICY, Chaosraven & El Guapo
4. rejected slate, El Guapo & Holman
5. FASCIST POLICY, Holman & Vorret
6. FASCIST POLICY, Moliere & Scoop20906
7. LIBERAL POLICY, Vorret & Holman
8. rejected slate, Remus West & Chaosraven
9. rejected slate, Scoop20906 & Chaosraven
10a. rejected slate, stessier & El Guapo
10b. FASCIST POLICY autoenacted.
11. LIBERAL POLICY, Vorret & Holman
12. rejected slate, bb2112 & Moliere
13. rejected slate, Chaosraven & Remus West
14a. rejected slate, El Guapo & Moliere
14b. FASCIST POLICY autoenacted.

Action on Holman: Please nominate as chancellor anyone you wish. Everyone is eligible because of the auto-enactment.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:48 pm

Of course.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:08 pm

I suppose a Liberal flip would have been anti-climax anyway.

OK, let's win this thing for the good guys.

Chaosraven

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:20 pm

Dude! Are you serious?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:35 pm

Presidential candidate Holman has nominated Chaosraven for chancellor. PM me your vote, whether YES or NO.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:49 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Dude! Are you serious?

What do you mean? I scanned Chaosraven. He's Liberal.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:53 pm

Exactly and it's too obvious. No way I'm voting for this ticket.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:56 pm

Then you are a Fascist.

If Holman passes me a L we win.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:58 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Then you are a Fascist.

If Holman passes me a L we win.

Or you could be hitler and we lose. No deal.

Vorret was a safer choice.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:58 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Exactly and it's too obvious. No way I'm voting for this ticket.

I've been supporting Chaosraven for more than half the game, ever since I scanned him. Where have you been?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:02 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Then you are a Fascist.

If Holman passes me a L we win.
Or you could be hitler and we lose. No deal.

Vorret was a safer choice.

Vorret hasn't been Chancellor since the threshold any more than Chaosraven has. I've scanned CR, not Vorret.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:07 pm

Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Then you are a Fascist.

If Holman passes me a L we win.
Or you could be hitler and we lose. No deal.

Vorret was a safer choice.
Vorret hasn't been Chancellor since the threshold any more than Chaosraven has. I've scanned CR, not Vorret.

Frankly Holman it's just your word and now we are up against the limit. I was hoping we won with the flip but of course we didn't.

I made it clear that I don't trust your word about chaosraven. It's too convenient.

I'd feel better about this ticket if you hadn't made your proclamation about him.

As it us it feels like a set up. I made it clear I thought vorret was the safer choice so my vote is now. I hope the others see we can't this risk at the very end of the fame.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:08 pm

Autocorrect hates me.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:15 pm

All of your drama here at the end reads Bad Guy to me, but it doesn't matter. We'll win this turn.

I've been pushing Chaosraven as my ally from the 5th round of the game, when I got my scan (which clarified him, bb2112, and El Guapo all at once). It's now the 12th round.

Vorret has been acting reliably Liberal, and I have little doubt that he is so. But he *could* still be Hitler playing a brilliant game. (The fact that he has never pushed for his own Chancellorship as we moved towards the present round is further evidence that he is good.) He's almost certainly Liberal, but I know 100% that Chaosraven is.

Consider this: if I'm a bad guy, isn't it likely that Vorret (my regular administrative partner) has been bad as well? If you don't trust me, you can't trust him. Why would you?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:17 pm

Yeah I can't figure out your game. It doesn't make sense to me. I am confused.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:18 pm

Holman wrote:It's now the 12th round.

15th.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:19 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Yeah I can't figure out your game. It doesn't make sense to me. I am confused.

I've been 100% consistent: this game is straightforward when you're a Liberal and you've had a scan.

What doesn't make sense?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:20 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Holman wrote:It's now the 12th round.
15th.

Oops. Something double digitty anyway.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:25 pm

You consistently refuse to acknowledge my concern. You have been working very hard to portray Chaosraven and yourself as a liberal so you can choose him as hitler.

I don't care what you say you scan him as.

You and Vorret have been successful over and over but now you choose a different partner at s crucial point in the game.

Of course you make good points. It doesn't change that this was the wrong move and it makes me very uncomfortable.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:29 pm

So, Scoop, if you vote no here are you intending to go to another flip or are you intending to vote for my ticket (since you proclaimed Moliete Fascist)?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:32 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:You consistently refuse to acknowledge my concern. You have been working very hard to portray Chaosraven and yourself as a liberal so you can choose him as hitler.

I don't care what you say you scan him as.

You and Vorret have been successful over and over but now you choose a different partner at s crucial point in the game.

Of course you make good points. It doesn't change that this was the wrong move and it makes me very uncomfortable.

I chose the safest possible partner: the one I've scanned. I was under the impression that other players expected this move, which is why your "concern" baffles me. (Except it doesn't, as I believe you're just blowing smoke appropriate to your role.)

Remember, Scoop's trust in Vorret is based on my success with him, just as his trust in me is based on Vorret's success with me. It's nonsensical for him to doubt me because I didn't pick Vorret instead of the player I've been pushing as 100% Liberal for most of the game.: if he doubts me now, he should doubt Vorret now.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:32 pm

I don't know yet. Holman surprised me with his selection. I thought we were going to make the safer/smarter choice.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:34 pm

Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:You consistently refuse to acknowledge my concern. You have been working very hard to portray Chaosraven and yourself as a liberal so you can choose him as hitler.

I don't care what you say you scan him as.

You and Vorret have been successful over and over but now you choose a different partner at s crucial point in the game.

Of course you make good points. It doesn't change that this was the wrong move and it makes me very uncomfortable.
I chose the safest possible partner: the one I've scanned. I was under the impression that other players expected this move, which is why your "concern" baffles me. (Except it doesn't, as I believe you're just blowing smoke appropriate to your role.)

Remember, Scoop's trust in Vorret is based on my success with him, just as his trust in me is based on Vorret's success with me. It's nonsensical for him to doubt me because I didn't pick Vorret instead of the player I've been pushing as 100% Liberal for most of the game.: if he doubts me now, he should doubt Vorret now.

Vorret, if you are a fascist you HAD to play a liberal game if you wanted to protect your scan of chaos. Why do you discount this? You must have a reason too.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:36 pm

Remus West wrote:So, Scoop, if you vote no here are you intending to go to another flip or are you intending to vote for my ticket (since you proclaimed Moliete Fascist)?

Do you feel comfortable with this ticket?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:36 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I don't know yet. Holman surprised me with his selection. I thought we were going to make the safer/smarter choice.

Which is exactly what he has told you he did. Vorret could be Hitler since he has not been Chancellor since the reset.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:41 pm

Scoop20906 wrote: Vorret, if you are a fascist you HAD to play a liberal game if you wanted to protect your scan of chaos. Why do you discount this? You must have a reason too.

[I assume you're talking to me and not Vorret.] It doesn't even occur to me as something to worry about. I'm Liberal, CR is Liberal.

Surely you can see that if I'm a Liberal then CR is the only safe choice for me--no Liberal in my position (as I am) would make a different choice. From where I sit, Vorret has been a great help but is not 100% known. I could lose the game by picking him.