That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
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The electorate gave us Trump.malchior wrote:They are *totally* going to have a replacement plan by March. If the electorate had any brains it'd be clear to them that campaigning for years for something and then totally not being prepared to do it is *gross incompetence*.
The excuse is that the ACA is really the only private market approach that will work, and it was originally a Republican plan. Their options are to tinker with it or revert to the chaos that existed before the ACA. Because of its integration, removing just the unpopular bits brings the whole thing down. If one must insist on a system run by and for insurance companies, then one's solution is going to wind up looking like the ACA.Grifman wrote:The Republicans have had years to develop a plan to replace the ACA, but instead they chose to have I think it was, 60+ fruitless votes to repeal it under Obama. There's no excuse for them to not have had a plan now to pull off the shelf and implement, or at least form the basis for implementation after hearings and input from the health care industry. Or course, the reason is that this is hard work and they don't really have an agreement among themselves as to what it should be. Such a bunch of doofs.malchior wrote:The Republican healthcare "plan" apparently is chaos.The Health lobby doesn't even know what to do at this point. They have the Mad Man in Chief hanging over them.
Some companies, anxious about changes in health policy, said they were afraid to speak out because they feared that Mr. Trump would attack them on Twitter, as he has badgered Boeing, Ford, General Motors, Lockheed Martin and Toyota.
As far as I've can tell, the speculation is to turn the exchanges into FSAs and say that insuring everyone.Kraken wrote:The excuse is that the ACA is really the only private market approach that will work, and it was originally a Republican plan. Their options are to tinker with it or revert to the chaos that existed before the ACA. Because of its integration, removing just the unpopular bits brings the whole thing down. If one must insist on a system run by and for insurance companies, then one's solution is going to wind up looking like the ACA.
While many Republicans would probably be fine with reverting to chaos, their party would likely take a drubbing for it.
Oh, I agree totally. ACA is a private sector approach to insuring everyone, and any Republican replacement is going to look a lot like it. And yes, removing things like the mandate and penalties and other things that the Republicans have complained about will bring the whole thing crashing down - it either won't work or will crash the budget. This is the problem the Republicans locked themselves into by opposing this from the beginning. They really didn't want to add all these people but now that they are there in the system, they just can't be seen to just dump them all.Kraken wrote:The excuse is that the ACA is really the only private market approach that will work, and it was originally a Republican plan. Their options are to tinker with it or revert to the chaos that existed before the ACA. Because of its integration, removing just the unpopular bits brings the whole thing down. If one must insist on a system run by and for insurance companies, then one's solution is going to wind up looking like the ACA
Gallblader removal cost patient around US$ 750 - US$ 1500 in Indonesia.RunningMn9 wrote:That's the price. That's not what I'm looking for. What is the cost of the procedure, on the supply side?
If I recall my original question correctly, I would say the same thing. I wasn't looking for the patient cost to the surgeon for performing the surgery. I was wondering how much it "costs" the surgeon to perform the surgery.Victoria Raverna wrote:Gallblader removal cost patient around US$ 750 - US$ 1500 in Indonesia.RunningMn9 wrote:That's the price. That's not what I'm looking for. What is the cost of the procedure, on the supply side?
It's almost like...they're not working together.The new criterion Trump threw into the mix is that nothing at all will happen until Tom Price is confirmed as secretary of HHS. Price has to go through two confirmation hearings. The first is on January 18, at the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee. The second and “voting” committee on his confirmation is Finance, which hasn’t even scheduled a hearing. But the Senate is voting on amendments to the basic blueprint for Obamacare repeal right now; final passage in that chamber will probably occur tomorrow after votes today and tonight on literally more than a hundred amendments that could shape the repeal. If Trump thinks nothing should happen for weeks, he should have probably shared that sentiment with congressional Republicans, who have been talking for months, publicly and privately, about moving on Obamacare before Trump’s inauguration.
Indeed.Trump is also suggesting “we” will be “submitting” a “plan” for the whole set of problems. Who is “we?” HHS? The White House? The Republican Party?
So awesome.Surely someone has told him by now that anything worth calling a “replacement” for Obamacare, with its many insurance regulations and other non-budget features, cannot be done via a budget measure, and thus will require 60 Senate votes. How is that going to happen? It won’t if it resembles any of the plans that Republicans are currently discussing.
While I endorse it, The republican Congress is going to have a fit. Trump suggests his replacement is going to leverage treatments with the weight of the population of the US. You know where government negotiates on behalf of its people rather than letting the free market determine how much it can get for your health....Smoove_B wrote:Trump just screwed up repeal even more:
It's almost like...they're not working together.The new criterion Trump threw into the mix is that nothing at all will happen until Tom Price is confirmed as secretary of HHS. Price has to go through two confirmation hearings. The first is on January 18, at the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee. The second and “voting” committee on his confirmation is Finance, which hasn’t even scheduled a hearing. But the Senate is voting on amendments to the basic blueprint for Obamacare repeal right now; final passage in that chamber will probably occur tomorrow after votes today and tonight on literally more than a hundred amendments that could shape the repeal. If Trump thinks nothing should happen for weeks, he should have probably shared that sentiment with congressional Republicans, who have been talking for months, publicly and privately, about moving on Obamacare before Trump’s inauguration.
Indeed.Trump is also suggesting “we” will be “submitting” a “plan” for the whole set of problems. Who is “we?” HHS? The White House? The Republican Party?
So awesome.Surely someone has told him by now that anything worth calling a “replacement” for Obamacare, with its many insurance regulations and other non-budget features, cannot be done via a budget measure, and thus will require 60 Senate votes. How is that going to happen? It won’t if it resembles any of the plans that Republicans are currently discussing.
Does he mean it? Or is it market manipulation? Fortunes being made and lost. Still, I hope he means it.We’re the largest buyer of drugs in the world and yet we don’t bid properly and we’re going to save billions of dollars.”
Might as well say it again: Trump is not a Republican.Jeff V wrote:A government negotiating prices on behalf of its citizens? Sounds suspiciously socialist to me.
Does he mean anything he says? He so readily contradicts his past statements without shame that nothing he says is worth anything.LordMortis wrote:Does he mean it? Or is it market manipulation? Fortunes being made and lost. Still, I hope he means it.We’re the largest buyer of drugs in the world and yet we don’t bid properly and we’re going to save billions of dollars.”
Until we have actions to judge him (us?) by, I only accept this approach if we apply it to everything he says, brushing off all of the stuff that makes me want to pull my hair out. It's hard to say "Does he mean anything he says?" without applying it as an axiom and I am too quick to judge too many things he says harshly to not be happy when he says something that aligns with my vision of how things ought to be.El Guapo wrote:Does he mean anything he says? He so readily contradicts his past statements without shame that nothing he says is worth anything.LordMortis wrote:Does he mean it? Or is it market manipulation? Fortunes being made and lost. Still, I hope he means it.We’re the largest buyer of drugs in the world and yet we don’t bid properly and we’re going to save billions of dollars.”
Very true, and I will say it again, the Dems ought to be praising the GOP conversion to Socialism from the highest pulpit (by running TV ads on the stations airing the televangelist shows the fundamentalists are so fond of). While they are at it, suggest that the other great Socialist policy position - extreme gun control, is most certainly next. They need to seize the opportunity to use those same buzzwords that have long been used against them in Idiot America.pr0ner wrote:Might as well say it again: Trump is not a Republican.Jeff V wrote:A government negotiating prices on behalf of its citizens? Sounds suspiciously socialist to me.
I'll give Trump credit for anything he does as president that is actually good. And hey, maybe he'll do this. I'm just saying that him saying now that he will do it is pretty much worthless.LordMortis wrote:Until we have actions to judge him (us?) by, I only accept this approach if we apply it to everything he says, brushing off all of the stuff that makes me want to pull my hair out. It's hard to say "Does he mean anything he says?" without applying it as an axiom and I am too quick to judge too many things he says harshly to not be happy when he says something that aligns with my vision of how things ought to be.El Guapo wrote:Does he mean anything he says? He so readily contradicts his past statements without shame that nothing he says is worth anything.LordMortis wrote:Does he mean it? Or is it market manipulation? Fortunes being made and lost. Still, I hope he means it.We’re the largest buyer of drugs in the world and yet we don’t bid properly and we’re going to save billions of dollars.”
linkThe U.S. Senate took the first major step toward repealing the Affordable Care Act after a marathon voting session that started Wednesday evening and extended into early Thursday.
The vote does not repeal President Obama's signature achievement, but it does set the stage for Republicans to clear the first procedural hurdle for repeal of the massive health care law. The bill will now go to the House of Representatives for a vote expected to take place on Friday.
And they did at it 1am this morning. It's Medicare Part D all over again.malchior wrote:These guys are pure pond scum.
That it certainly will.Defiant wrote:
“This is our opportunity to keep our campaign promise,” said Senator Roger Wicker, Republican of Mississippi. “This is our opportunity to help the president-elect and the vice president-elect keep their campaign promises and show to the American people that elections have consequences.”
Then? Then they're going to unveil their perpetual motion machine in front of the newly opened unicorn petting zoo.El Guapo wrote:That it certainly will.Defiant wrote:
“This is our opportunity to keep our campaign promise,” said Senator Roger Wicker, Republican of Mississippi. “This is our opportunity to help the president-elect and the vice president-elect keep their campaign promises and show to the American people that elections have consequences.”
Still, the GOP seems to be careening down without a real plan. They have this non-binding deadline of January 27th to come up with a replacement plan, which isn't going to happen. Then.... ??
I hate to state the obvious but isn't this a complete contradiction of what Trump just said. That there would only be a repeal if there was a replace? Not that I expect any consistency from him and the Republicans at this point.malchior wrote:If you look under the hood of what they passed they dropped preexisting conditions and covering contraceptives. A disaster for Healthcare looms and the media is too preoccupied to call it out. These guys are pure pond scum. I can only hope it comes around to bite the but i doubt it.
Obamacare hasn't been repealed yet. This was a (mostly non-binding) budgetary framework that doesn't become law. What this does is allow the Republicans to mostly repeal Obamacare at a later date via a budget reconciliation bill, which can't be filibustered. Of course, they can't "replace" via budget reconciliation, so any replacement plan could be filibustered, and the democrats have no incentive to sign off on any bare bones "replacement".Grifman wrote:I hate to state the obvious but isn't this a complete contradiction of what Trump just said. That there would only be a repeal if there was a replace? Not that I expect any consistency from him and the Republicans at this point.malchior wrote:If you look under the hood of what they passed they dropped preexisting conditions and covering contraceptives. A disaster for Healthcare looms and the media is too preoccupied to call it out. These guys are pure pond scum. I can only hope it comes around to bite the but i doubt it.
And yes, taking out the mandate is a recipe for an insurance market disaster. What insurance company is going to offer a plan in the marketplace now? This is pure idiocy.
When you have Duterte pushing free contraceptives in the Phillipines while American politicians are taking them away from poor women that need them most - that's when you know that the world has gone completely insane.malchior wrote:If you look under the hood of what they passed they dropped preexisting conditions and covering contraceptives. A disaster for Healthcare looms and the media is too preoccupied to call it out. These guys are pure pond scum. I can only hope it comes around to bite the but i doubt it.
Some Guy on the Internets wrote:They say a Republican is a Democrat who got mugged.
Sounds like a Democrat is a Republican who got sick.
Speaking ofEnough wrote:Some Guy on the Internets wrote:They say a Republican is a Democrat who got mugged.
Sounds like a Democrat is a Republican who got sick.
For real.Defiant wrote:
It's going to be grimly hilarious when I hear people making this argument again in 2020.geezer wrote:For real.Defiant wrote:
If democrats insist on running Clinton again then we've already lost.El Guapo wrote:It's going to be grimly hilarious when I hear people making this argument again in 2020.geezer wrote:For real.Defiant wrote:
That's not going to happen, but if the left/progressive/not-right continues to be fragmented into warring factions instead of making common cause against their actual ideological foe, the Democrats start at a disadvantage.LordMortis wrote:If democrats insist on running Clinton again then we've already lost.
You can't swing a dead cat these days without hitting someone who has made fun of congressional Republicans for not having a plan to replace Obamacare. And the critics are right: Republicans don't have a plan. They have a whole bunch of plans. House Speaker Paul Ryan has one. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz has another. HHS nominee Tom Price not only has a plan, he has a bill: The Empowering Patients First Act. The trouble is that Republicans haven't collated all those plans into one single, omnibus proposal.
The Empowering Patients First Act
My name is Max Peck, and I approve this act.Rip wrote:What? You are against empowering patients?
Duterte is pro-Death and US is pro-Life.gilraen wrote:When you have Duterte pushing free contraceptives in the Phillipines while American politicians are taking them away from poor women that need them most - that's when you know that the world has gone completely insane.malchior wrote:If you look under the hood of what they passed they dropped preexisting conditions and covering contraceptives. A disaster for Healthcare looms and the media is too preoccupied to call it out. These guys are pure pond scum. I can only hope it comes around to bite the but i doubt it.
Are you suggesting that contraception is equivalent to killing a "life"? i.e. that by not allowing the sperm and egg to hook up, it's the same as aborting a fetus? That may be the most extreme viewpoint I've ever encountered.Victoria Raverna wrote:Duterte is pro-Death and US is pro-Life.gilraen wrote:When you have Duterte pushing free contraceptives in the Phillipines while American politicians are taking them away from poor women that need them most - that's when you know that the world has gone completely insane.malchior wrote:If you look under the hood of what they passed they dropped preexisting conditions and covering contraceptives. A disaster for Healthcare looms and the media is too preoccupied to call it out. These guys are pure pond scum. I can only hope it comes around to bite the but i doubt it.