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waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:05 pm He’s in the media so much he doesn’t need money for campaigning. As for the legality I’m sure it’s borderline legal but it would be a scandal if anyone but the Tancurian candidate did it (eg Biden, Obama etc)

In bringing the lawsuit against Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd, he said the dossier contained allegations that were inaccurate and breached his data protection rights.

In Thursday's ruling in London, Mrs Justice Steyn DBE said she did not make any judgement on the allegations themselves but found Mr Trump's claim had not been brought within the six-year limitation period.

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:20 pm Christopher Steele: UK High Court throws out Trump ex-spy dossier case

In bringing the lawsuit against Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd, he said the dossier contained allegations that were inaccurate and breached his data protection rights.

In Thursday's ruling in London, Mrs Justice Steyn DBE said she did not make any judgement on the allegations themselves but found Mr Trump's claim had not been brought within the six-year limitation period.

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am Can Trump run for president while being on trial?

Yes.

If he is elected as President does his trial continue?

Yes. But once inaugurated he would get various formal and informal powers to interfere with the proceedings against him, especially if Republicans also control Congress (especially the Senate). Among other things he would probably order the AG to dismiss any proceedings against him.

If he is found guilty and sentenced to prison can they put the President in prison?

Yes, although as President he would have various formal and informal powers to stop that (among other things, he would probably refuse to go and dare anyone to try to force him to go to prison).

Can he continue to serve as President from prison?

Yes, at least there's no formal rule saying that you stop being president if you're in prison.

Can he pardon himself?

That's a big and important question. Nothing in the pardon power explicitly says that the President can't pardon himself. He probably would pardon himself, which would spark various legal proceedings into that question.

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am Can Trump run for president while being on trial?

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am If he is elected as President does his trial continue?

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am If he is found guilty and sentenced to prison can they put the President in prison?

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am Can he continue to serve as President from prison?

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am Can he pardon himself?

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:01 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am Can he pardon himself?

About 100% of constitutional and presidential scholars say: "No". But that wouldn't stop him from giving it a run.

he [the President] shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment

Unagi wrote:

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am If he is elected as President does his trial continue?

Federal trials presumably would be dropped by his new DOJ.
State trials would (in theory) not be affected, but 'sitting president' would probably derail them.

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:46 pm

Unagi wrote:

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am If he is elected as President does his trial continue?

Federal trials presumably would be dropped by his new DOJ.
State trials would (in theory) not be affected, but 'sitting president' would probably derail them.

Not sure about that because of the special counsel.

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:53 pm

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:46 pm

Unagi wrote:

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am If he is elected as President does his trial continue?

Federal trials presumably would be dropped by his new DOJ.
State trials would (in theory) not be affected, but 'sitting president' would probably derail them.

Not sure about that because of the special counsel.

I’m not following what you’re saying.
Can you flesh that out a little more?

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:57 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:53 pm

Pyperkub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:46 pm

Unagi wrote:

Daehawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:37 am If he is elected as President does his trial continue?

Federal trials presumably would be dropped by his new DOJ.
State trials would (in theory) not be affected, but 'sitting president' would probably derail them.

Not sure about that because of the special counsel.

I’m not following what you’re saying.
Can you flesh that out a little more?

DOJ can't just shut down a Special Counsel (Jack Smith in this case).

Think Starr and Clinton.

Unagi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:31 pm I believe the idea is more that the very idea of a ‘pardon’ is not something one can do to oneself, by definition.
Sorta like the word ‘condone’, it implies one party doing something for another party.


However, yeah, SCOTUS…

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:18 pm Him in jail would be bad for the campaign. Therefore it's in the interest of the campaign, and beneficial to the campaign that he have the best defense that (other peoples') money can buy.

waitingtoconnect wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:17 pm

Blackhawk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:18 pm Him in jail would be bad for the campaign. Therefore it's in the interest of the campaign, and beneficial to the campaign that he have the best defense that (other peoples') money can buy.

It’d be great for the campaign! It would maytr him.

Zarathud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:41 pm I would rather have Trump in jail martyred than a second Trump Presidency. Biden needs to campaign hard that Trump doesn’t care about anything but his “get out of jail free” pass while President.

Zarathud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:41 pm I would rather have Trump in jail martyred than a second Trump Presidency. Biden needs to campaign hard that Trump doesn’t care about anything but his “get out of jail free” pass while President.

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:40 pm

The Meal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:46 pm You deserve credit for this.

Zarathud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:14 pm If America is stupid enough to elect a jailed candidate, our democratic experiment was a failure and Rome has Fallen.

In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.

The principles of a free constitution are irrecoverably lost, when the legislative power is nominated by the executive.

The Roman government appeared every day less formidable to its enemies, more odious and oppressive to its subjects.

It is scarcely possible that the eyes of contemporaries should discover in the public felicity the latent causes of decay and corruption. This long peace, and the uniform government of the Romans, introduced a slow and secret poison into the vitals of the empire. The minds of men were gradually reduced to the same level, the fire of genius was extinguished, and even the military spirit evaporated.

A nation ignorant of the equal benefits of liberty and law, must be awed by the flashes of arbitrary power: the cruelty of a despot will assume the character of justice; his profusion, of liberality; his obstinacy, of firmness.

The Meal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:46 pm You deserve credit for this.

“Trump's stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches… We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter.

"President Trump respectfully disagrees with the DC Circuit’s decision and will appeal it in order to safeguard the Presidency and the Constitution,” his campaign spokesman Steven Cheung said in a statement.

The state Ethics Commission alleges Donald Trump’s joint fundraising committee and GOP state Rep. Janel Brandtjen schemed to evade campaign finance limits as part of an effort that steered at least $40,000 to the 2022 primary challenge of Speaker Robin Vos, according to records obtained by WisPolitics.

The commission this week recommended local district attorneys investigate and charge both, as well as the campaign of Adam Steen, who lost to Vos by 260 votes, eight individuals and the three county Republican parties alleged to be involved.

The referrals accuse Steen, Brandtjen, the Save America Joint Fundraising Committee and others of committing felonies.