Re: Shootings
Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 11:18 pm
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That's there to cover swords, maces, pikes, etc.UsulofDoom wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:16 pm It seems redundant when they say, "weapons of any kind".
No doubt about that. I'm not saying it's likely, but personally, I've been moving closer and closer to that position.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:26 pmSure but constitutional amendments are a pretty big lift.Alefroth wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 6:16 pmOn the other hand, there are ways to provide gun ownership without enshrining it in the Constitution.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 8:45 am There are ways to restrict gun ownership and gun use that don't rely on a constitutional amendment.
Seriously. There are videos of the police pinning down parents while the wailed away. And some of their own were getting their own kids out? It's seems like a natural reaction but it's also speaks to the problem where the police demonstrate that they have all sorts of 'special rules' for themselves.
There is a whole body of study that tells us polls on nearly any policy topic don't matter much unless it aligns with oligarchic goals. On this topic we just have to see the obviousness of the truth that oligarchs don't worry too much about gun violence individually.
It's against code,. obviously. And an armed cop did see him crash his car and proceed to enter the back door. The cop didn't "take him out". He allowed him to enter.
That means leave your throwing stars at home.UsulofDoom wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:16 pmIt seems redundant when they say, "weapons of any kind".
I think it's safe to say they wouldn't actually wall up the other doors - they'd just make them only open from the inside so that there were multiple egress points during a fire. It's still a wildly stupid idea, of course, but the fire safety concern isn't much of one I don't think. Focus more on the idea of getting all the targets students gathered together in a single spot at a predictable point during the day. Then focus on where these "fiscal conservatives" are going to find the money for this. Then focus on how masks are tyranny that are going to scar our kids but it's just peachy to turn the schools into prisons.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:33 amIt's against code,. obviously. And an armed cop did see him crash his car and proceed to enter the back door. The cop didn't "take him out". He allowed him to enter.
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I don't recommend watching those videos. They are absolutely heartbreaking and disgusting. It seems the cops failed over and over and over here.malchior wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:59 amSeriously. There are videos of the police pinning down parents while the wailed away. And some of their own were getting their own kids out? It's seems like a natural reaction but it's also speaks to the problem where the police demonstrate that they have all sorts of 'special rules' for themselves.
It also still boggles the mind that we're at the point that we have dedicated police departments for schools and they still fail spectacturly at their most important function. They apparently had no plan at all about what to do. They essentially trapped him in the room with schoolchildren and had no next move until the Border Patrol tactical unit showed up. And they are patting themselves on the back that they pinned him down so he didn't do more harm? Pure fuckery. I suppose nothing is more American than gun violence but a close second is unaccountable authority.
Assuming that last bit is directed to me, that's pretty obvious, I think. Unless you think he was seriously advocating retrofitting tens of thousands of schools to wall up existing doors in contravention of all common sense and safety concerns (and I get the joke that the GOP is that stupid so we want to try to dunk on them, but that's more cathartic than productive in these discussions), the only reasonable interpretation is that he wants to use only one entrance to the school while still making the other doors available for emergency exits. It's still a bad plan! It's still a distraction from the real issues! But he's not really advocating that we try to prevent the possibility of more attacks in schools by creating deadly fire hazards.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 9:59 am Every school my children has been in, 7 of em, has had all but one door locked and entrance is only allowed through a front door that (aside from the very start of school) is remote-locked, you need to buzz to get in.
The other doors exist, can be used in emergencies and are occasionally used in the day to give kids access to playfields, playgrounds, but in theory would not be available to a person trying to get in uninvited.
Not sure why you think that’s what he meant when he said ‘one door’.
The argument that schools need to be hardened (arm teachers, only one door for access) is equivalent to "she was asking for it". It's just blaming the victim to hide the inaction on the real problems.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:12 amAssuming that last bit is directed to me, that's pretty obvious, I think. Unless you think he was seriously advocating retrofitting tens of thousands of schools to wall up existing doors in contravention of all common sense and safety concerns (and I get the joke that the GOP is that stupid so we want to try to dunk on them, but that's more cathartic than productive in these discussions), the only reasonable interpretation is that he wants to use only one entrance to the school while still making the other doors available for emergency exits. It's still a bad plan! It's still a distraction from the real issues! But he's not really advocating that we try to prevent the possibility of more attacks in schools by creating deadly fire hazards.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 9:59 am Every school my children has been in, 7 of em, has had all but one door locked and entrance is only allowed through a front door that (aside from the very start of school) is remote-locked, you need to buzz to get in.
The other doors exist, can be used in emergencies and are occasionally used in the day to give kids access to playfields, playgrounds, but in theory would not be available to a person trying to get in uninvited.
Not sure why you think that’s what he meant when he said ‘one door’.
This. Referring to children and teachers in the US going about their business of education as soft targets for the mentally ill who are entitled to unlimited access to firearms without question is just mind soul crushing to me.EvilHomer3k wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:21 am The argument that schools need to be hardened (arm teachers, only one door for access) is equivalent to "she was asking for it". It's just blaming the victim to hide the inaction on the real problems.
Absolutely! It's a terrible plan!EvilHomer3k wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:21 amThe argument that schools need to be hardened (arm teachers, only one door for access) is equivalent to "she was asking for it". It's just blaming the victim to hide the inaction on the real problems.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:12 amAssuming that last bit is directed to me, that's pretty obvious, I think. Unless you think he was seriously advocating retrofitting tens of thousands of schools to wall up existing doors in contravention of all common sense and safety concerns (and I get the joke that the GOP is that stupid so we want to try to dunk on them, but that's more cathartic than productive in these discussions), the only reasonable interpretation is that he wants to use only one entrance to the school while still making the other doors available for emergency exits. It's still a bad plan! It's still a distraction from the real issues! But he's not really advocating that we try to prevent the possibility of more attacks in schools by creating deadly fire hazards.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 9:59 am Every school my children has been in, 7 of em, has had all but one door locked and entrance is only allowed through a front door that (aside from the very start of school) is remote-locked, you need to buzz to get in.
The other doors exist, can be used in emergencies and are occasionally used in the day to give kids access to playfields, playgrounds, but in theory would not be available to a person trying to get in uninvited.
Not sure why you think that’s what he meant when he said ‘one door’.
Yeah, apparently every Twitter reference omitted the word "unlocked" from the Cruz quote. He said the problem was "unlocked doors". Still a bad take but intentionally misrepresenting his quote is counterproductive.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:12 amAssuming that last bit is directed to me, that's pretty obvious, I think. Unless you think he was seriously advocating retrofitting tens of thousands of schools to wall up existing doors in contravention of all common sense and safety concerns (and I get the joke that the GOP is that stupid so we want to try to dunk on them, but that's more cathartic than productive in these discussions), the only reasonable interpretation is that he wants to use only one entrance to the school while still making the other doors available for emergency exits. It's still a bad plan! It's still a distraction from the real issues! But he's not really advocating that we try to prevent the possibility of more attacks in schools by creating deadly fire hazards.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 9:59 am Every school my children has been in, 7 of em, has had all but one door locked and entrance is only allowed through a front door that (aside from the very start of school) is remote-locked, you need to buzz to get in.
The other doors exist, can be used in emergencies and are occasionally used in the day to give kids access to playfields, playgrounds, but in theory would not be available to a person trying to get in uninvited.
Not sure why you think that’s what he meant when he said ‘one door’.
Agreed 100%LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:42 pmYeah, apparently every Twitter reference omitted the word "unlocked" from the Cruz quote. He said the problem was "unlocked doors". Still a bad take but intentionally misrepresenting his quote is counterproductive.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:12 amAssuming that last bit is directed to me, that's pretty obvious, I think. Unless you think he was seriously advocating retrofitting tens of thousands of schools to wall up existing doors in contravention of all common sense and safety concerns (and I get the joke that the GOP is that stupid so we want to try to dunk on them, but that's more cathartic than productive in these discussions), the only reasonable interpretation is that he wants to use only one entrance to the school while still making the other doors available for emergency exits. It's still a bad plan! It's still a distraction from the real issues! But he's not really advocating that we try to prevent the possibility of more attacks in schools by creating deadly fire hazards.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 9:59 am Every school my children has been in, 7 of em, has had all but one door locked and entrance is only allowed through a front door that (aside from the very start of school) is remote-locked, you need to buzz to get in.
The other doors exist, can be used in emergencies and are occasionally used in the day to give kids access to playfields, playgrounds, but in theory would not be available to a person trying to get in uninvited.
Not sure why you think that’s what he meant when he said ‘one door’.
You can almost understand how we get to police-state mentality -- where police departments are going to argue they need military surplus gear and vehicles to be able to respond to events like this. They'll sit idle for 99.99% of the time and drain tax dollars that could be spent on just about anything else, but clearly the issue with what happened here was not having the right tools to Seal Team 6 their way into the school and magically stop the shooter before he did anything.malchior wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:59 am It also still boggles the mind that we're at the point that we have dedicated police departments for schools and they still fail spectacturly at their most important function. They apparently had no plan at all about what to do. They essentially trapped him in the room with schoolchildren and had no next move until the Border Patrol tactical unit showed up. And they are patting themselves on the back that they pinned him down so he didn't do more harm? Pure fuckery. I suppose nothing is more American than gun violence but a close second is unaccountable authority.
Did you try pushing?
Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack. Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years. They leave behind four children.
So I guess that ends that.Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a bill that would have created new federal offices focused on domestic terrorism, stopping debate on a measure that the House passed after a shooting in Buffalo, New York, killed 1o Black people.
Why it matters: The Domestic Terrorism prevention act would have opened debate on gun measures in the wake of the deadly Texas school shooting and its failure highlights the challenges of advancing gun control legislation in the sharply divided Congress.
Driving the news: The bill failed in a 47-47 vote, which falls short of the 60 votes needed to overcome a Republican filibuster.
No. Those are the badasses who spent an hour at the station getting their gear together and their war faces on or whatever. The cops outside the school were afraid to enter until SWAT arrived. They spent the hour yelling at parents and threatening them with Tasers.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:16 pm
That's are the badasses that took an hour to breach classroom with one guy killing kids?
The doors are locked at my kids schools as well. They have been for a long time. That said, I don't think they're effective in stopping something like this. Most have windows and can easily be opened with a crowbar.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:12 pmAgreed 100%LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 12:42 pmYeah, apparently every Twitter reference omitted the word "unlocked" from the Cruz quote. He said the problem was "unlocked doors". Still a bad take but intentionally misrepresenting his quote is counterproductive.ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:12 amAssuming that last bit is directed to me, that's pretty obvious, I think. Unless you think he was seriously advocating retrofitting tens of thousands of schools to wall up existing doors in contravention of all common sense and safety concerns (and I get the joke that the GOP is that stupid so we want to try to dunk on them, but that's more cathartic than productive in these discussions), the only reasonable interpretation is that he wants to use only one entrance to the school while still making the other doors available for emergency exits. It's still a bad plan! It's still a distraction from the real issues! But he's not really advocating that we try to prevent the possibility of more attacks in schools by creating deadly fire hazards.Unagi wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 9:59 am Every school my children has been in, 7 of em, has had all but one door locked and entrance is only allowed through a front door that (aside from the very start of school) is remote-locked, you need to buzz to get in.
The other doors exist, can be used in emergencies and are occasionally used in the day to give kids access to playfields, playgrounds, but in theory would not be available to a person trying to get in uninvited.
Not sure why you think that’s what he meant when he said ‘one door’.
Also, to clarify: The doors that are locked in my kids’ schools can still be opened from the inside with ease, but some will sound an alarm (if, the door isn’t regularly opened for gym class or something)
I assumed this is true for most of you other parents/schools?
No?