Social Media Discussion

[Blackhawk]

Missed this nugget yesterday

If Apple & Google boot Twitter from their app stores, @elonmusk
should produce his own smartphone. Half the country would happily ditch the biased, snooping iPhone & Android. The man builds rockets to Mars, a silly little smartphone should be easy, right?

I certainly hope it does not come to that, but, yes, if there is no other choice, I will make an alternative phone

I don't know whether to be amused or horrified.

[LordMortis]

Wait, she doesn't trust Apple privacy (some of the best out there, AFAICT) but she trusts Musk and his investors implicitly as an appeal to privacy? Seriously? The guy who set up making you pay for in car monitoring for the safety of is company not the safety of the driver?

https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy ... 884415005/

[Rumpy]

The TwitPhone.

[Carpet_pissr]

Wait, she doesn't trust Apple privacy (some of the best out there, AFAICT) but she trusts Musk and his investors implicitly as an appeal to privacy? Seriously? The guy who set up making you pay for in car monitoring for the safety of is company not the safety of the driver?

https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy ... 884415005/

You’re overthinking. Apple and Google (?!) perceived by this person as ‘left’, Elon is ‘right’, therefore better in all ways.

[Alefroth]

I certainly hope it does come to that. It would be entertaining.

Have Apple or Google said anything about removing Twitter from the stores?

[Alefroth]

I certainly hope it does come to that. It would be entertaining.

Have Apple or Google said anything about removing Twitter from the stores?

[Rumpy]

There's been some talk about it, but nothing concrete from what I could tell. Probably hearsay at this point.

[Max Peck]

Have Apple or Google said anything about removing Twitter from the stores?

Not that I know of, but I've seen articles that argue it's possible that Twitter is heading in a direction that could see it in violation of the Apple/Google stores' terms of service. Additionally, a lot has been made of the fact that the Apple executive in charge of their app store has apparently deleted his Twitter account shortly after Musk took over.

[Holman]

Aren't there any managers tasked with giving Musk his gorilla channel?

[Sudy]

In terms of removal from app stores, that makes me wonder, is Twitter worth fighting for? The U.S. is worth fighting for, but most people don't have the choice to leave. There is nothing binding people to Twitter, and it probably isn't worth the grief... not when its leader encourages the survival of hate and mistruth.

But, isn't it for individual users to decide? I don't think you should be forced to sideload the app, not when that's a hassle and there are those not possessing the expertise to do so. And I mean, Truth Social is on the two app stores.

However, there's no reason people couldn't continue to access it via mobile browser.

[hepcat]

Aren't there any managers tasked with giving Musk his gorilla channel?

STILL my hands down favorite satire bit from the Trump years.

[Jeff V]

I don't think you should be forced to sideload the app,

Never installed the app. Never been forced to, compelled to, or even the least bit interested in doing so.

[Sudy]

Me neither I hate unnecessary apps. I really hate Reddit for trying to force theirs down your throat. Twitter is almost as bad. Ponces all of them.

[malchior]

[LordMortis]

I'm not an expert on employment but to my experience, an excellent manager spends the majority of their time and effort managing. They need to know what their people do but if the manager are doing the job of the managed, rather than managing their people then they are micro managing and it's huge stress for all involved, a waste of effort, and results in the company accepting a worse manager for a better job worker. Ultimately, asking a manager to do the work of those manage in addition to managing them is a way to chase managers from the position, to either climb the ladder or find an exit. OtOH, it's a good idea for someone who manages a team of people writing meaningful code, to recognize and know how to write meaningful code.

[gilraen]

I'm not an expert on employment but to my experience, an excellent manager spends the majority of their time and effort managing.

This. As someone who's dealt (extensively) with both kinds of managers, it's a major red flag when the manager keeps jumping in and doing the job of the engineer/developer/whatever.

[ImLawBoy]

In terms of removal from app stores, that makes me wonder, is Twitter worth fighting for? The U.S. is worth fighting for, but most people don't have the choice to leave. There is nothing binding people to Twitter, and it probably isn't worth the grief... not when its leader encourages the survival of hate and mistruth.

But, isn't it for individual users to decide? I don't think you should be forced to sideload the app, not when that's a hassle and there are those not possessing the expertise to do so. And I mean, Truth Social is on the two app stores.

However, there's no reason people couldn't continue to access it via mobile browser.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that it would not be removed from the app stores because of some political statement or because people generally don't like Musk, but because Twitter would be making changes to the app that would put it in violation of the app stores' existing policies, particularly around privacy protections.

[Rumpy]

I'm not an expert on employment but to my experience, an excellent manager spends the majority of their time and effort managing.

This. As someone who's dealt (extensively) with both kinds of managers, it's a major red flag when the manager keeps jumping in and doing the job of the engineer/developer/whatever.

He needs to appoint someone to manage the company for him. But he likely won't do it because he loves the attention of having the soapbox making him a public figure. You can clearly see he's lost the trust of many in the company via his bullish behavior.

[Holman]

I wish I could dig it up, but a few days ago I saw an insider posting that there's a whole team of SpaceX executives tasked with managing Musk and keeping him from interfering with the real work.

Musk is not an engineering genius who puts rockets into space. His role is to be a pile of money and a public-facing cheerleader.

[Rumpy]

I'm not at all surprised.

[Blackhawk]

After today's discussion, all I think of when I hear 'Musk' is 'Judd.'

[malchior]

So I guess the ??? -> profit missing step is to not only alienate the advertisers but also make it functionally impossible for them to use it as an advertising platform.

[hepcat]

After today's discussion, all I think of when I hear 'Musk' is 'Judd.'

He wishes he had an Iris.

[Zarathud]

He doesn’t have a captain, bridge crew or head of passenger services. Elon has drafted the passengers to manage themselves.

[Smoove_B]

I guess he was one of us all along?

Ok, the bedside table MuskTroll gets weirder.

The revolver is a 3D printed toy model of a handgun designed for the video game Deus Ex. It is an adolescent fantasy prop. Plans on line. Remember he is into 3D printing. This is his craft project.

The irony of a billionaire signaling that he's a fan of Deus Ex.

[Blackhawk]

It is an adolescent fantasy prop.

Lots of perfectly mature, competent adults like replica props. Some have even built their careers on them.

[Holman]

The irony of a billionaire signaling that he's a fan of Deus Ex.

Musk also claims to be a huge fan of Iain M. Banks, the Scottish socialist utopian SF writer who (I'm certain) would declare Musk a civilizational-level villain and parasite were he still alive to do so.

[Rumpy]

And what Musk doesn't know is that he's his own worst enemy.

[malchior]

Apparently Musk fucked around and is about to find out.

Look, you have time to avoid all this. You can still choose to keep your word, and Twitter's, and pay your ex-employees what you owe them. For whatever it's worth to you, you should know that if you do, what you pay will actually flow to them, not us as their attorneys; we've agreed not to take any contingency fee if Twitter does what it agreed to do without requiring litigation.

Or you can double down on breaking your word and screwing over your ex-employees as they head into the holidays. If so, deposing you will be a joy, and you should be aware that Washington law, among others that will apply, will allow us to obtain an award against you, personally, and not just Twitter the company.

[LordMortis]

you should be aware that Washington law, among others that will apply, will allow us to obtain an award against you, personally, and not just Twitter the company.

That's an interesting note, as Musk seems from the outside to be doing everything he legally can to do bankrupt Twitter so he TFG the company, its suppliers, and its creditors.

[Smoove_B]

I'm not really a Musk fanboy so excuse my ignorance, but has he ever been held accountable for anything? Because my impression is that he just pays money and problems disappear. Not that it excuses his current position, but I can almost see how he thinks he's going to just "push through' whatever is happening because he believes anything problematic will just require the application of cash to resolve.

Who am I kidding, of course that will work.

[LordMortis]

I'm not really a Musk fanboy so excuse my ignorance, but has he ever been held accountable for anything?

AFAIK, he had to buy Twitter after shooting off his mouth.

One of the federal commissions slapped him on the wrist for one of his Twitter turned business deal psych actions once and he's been on a vendetta against them ever since.

Aside from that, from what I've gathered, he's TFGd the courts on every other occasion. I don't know that for certain though. I do know he's been in court a lot and tied things up with spending and a huge counsel a lot. And I have learned, the PiC when he moves to town, get out of town and documents get sealed.

Edit: Here we go 40 million to settle fraud charges

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226

According to the SEC’s complaint against him, Musk tweeted on August 7, 2018 that he could take Tesla private at $420 per share — a substantial premium to its trading price at the time — that funding for the transaction had been secured, and that the only remaining uncertainty was a shareholder vote. The SEC’s complaint alleged that, in truth, Musk knew that the potential transaction was uncertain and subject to numerous contingencies. Musk had not discussed specific deal terms, including price, with any potential financing partners, and his statements about the possible transaction lacked an adequate basis in fact. According to the SEC’s complaint, Musk’s misleading tweets caused Tesla’s stock price to jump by over six percent on August 7, and led to significant market disruption.

[Rumpy]

Sooner or later, it's all going to blow up in his face. When that happens, it's not going to be so much fun anymore to be such the public figure he's made himself out to be.

[Sudy]

I dunno, man. People like that live in a different reality and they have a way of making bad decisions work for them. Look at Trump, Steven Seagal, and Alex Jones. The devotees who left them were replaced by more even worse ones. Musk's diehard, incel crypto bros would likely follow him up to the point of him committing genocide. Or even beyond that if he happened to be taking out a group they disliked.

[Rumpy]

Sure, he lives in his own world, but that won't stop the legal mess that follows in his wake. All those decisions will come back to haunt him.

[Max Peck]

I'm not sure the beds are for sleeping. Musk does have a tendency to impregnate coworkers...

Elon Musk Has Outfitted Twitter’s Headquarters With Bedrooms For Employees

Elon Musk's “extremely hardcore” vision for Twitter seems to have manifested itself in sad little conference-room sleeping quarters at the company's recently depopulated headquarters.

On Monday, employees returning to work at the company’s San Francisco location were greeted by modest bedrooms featuring unmade mattresses, drab curtains and giant conference-room telepresence monitors — a significant upgrade over the Therm-a-Rest+sleeping bag situation showcased by one Twitter employee in November. One room even has a plant.

A photo of one converted bedroom shared with Forbes showed bright orange carpeting, a wooden bedside table and what appears to be a queen bed, replete with a table lamp and two office armchairs just begging for convivial workplace collaboration.

One source said that no announcement or context was provided to employees, and presumed that the beds are for remaining “hardcore” staffers to be able to stay overnight at the office. “It’s not a good look,” they said. “It’s yet another unspoken sign of disrespect. There is no discussion. Just like, beds showed up.”

In mid-November, Musk tweeted that he would be working and sleeping at the corporate offices along Market Street “until the org is fixed.” However, that tweet has since been deleted.

Musk has previously claimed to have slept at company properties before – he once tweeted about “sleeping at factory” in 2018, referring to the Tesla factory in nearby Fremont, Calif.

Twitter’s CEO did not respond to a request for comment, nor did its communications department, which appears to have been completely disbanded since Musk’s takeover.

Journalists do seem to love pointing out that Twitter no longer has a functioning communications department.

[malchior]

I'll mark this as confirmed.

[LawBeefaroni]

I'm sure the narcotics squad could use some more building inspectors on the case!

[malchior]

I'm sure the narcotics squad could use some more building inspectors on the case!

LOL. Also "Tired employees" is doing some serious work in that Tweet. They're just sleepy and we built them some conference room bedrooms. It's totally normal. I love that cyberpunk was full of stories of the multi-city blocked sized arcology where you lived, ate, worked, and played. Musk was like...nah...too jovial and wasteful. Let's bring the Ikea living in 200 sq. ft. store display to life. HARDCORE!

[Rumpy]

That's a doozy of a diversion tactic.