Immigration Policy
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Re: Immigration Policy
So I gather everyone coming from south of the border is considered an asylum seeker.
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Of course not. However, I'm still waiting for the in-depth investigation that reveals numerous sleeper-cell infants and 6 year olds were really MS13 gang members, deep undercover and looking to sneak into America. Even noted criminal Nelson Mandela had a succinct observation:
There can be no keener revelation of a society’s soul than the way in which it treats its children.
Maybe next year, maybe no go
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Pardon me: white-collar crime is not real crime.Chaz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:03 pm Also worth noting that Paul Mannafort is being accused of several high level crimes, and he was allowed to post bail and go free. He's only back in jail because he used that opportunity to flagrantly do more crime. So we're totally fine with people accused of crimes walking free, as long as they have the money to buy their way out.
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Don't get me wrong, I hate Trump and most all his policies but I am having trouble sorting this particular thing all out.
Yes, these children are being treated wrong but most of these people coming from the south are here for financial reasons and will say anything to stay/get here.
If congress doesn't like how things are being run enact some laws to change it.
Yes, these children are being treated wrong but most of these people coming from the south are here for financial reasons and will say anything to stay/get here.
If congress doesn't like how things are being run enact some laws to change it.
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Re: Immigration Policy
They don't have to cross the border. They can, and do, request asylum at the border. We've taken their kids too.Holman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:01 pmAsylum seekers have to cross into the U.S. before they can seek asylum. There is no asylum visa request from outside the country.dbt1949 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:51 pm I was under the impression that illegal aliens were considered criminals. I realize that they may not have been convicted but they're still in jail "awaiting their trial "or whatever it's called in this case.
Other criminals in the US don't get to take their children to jail with them.
Altho I do think the children's separation should be handled better.
It's a Catch-22. Other administrations have handled it more humanely. Trump and his people are exploiting it to sinister effect because they are evil fucks.
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How much are the ones they release putting up in bond?Chaz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:03 pm Also worth noting that Paul Mannafort is being accused of several high level crimes, and he was allowed to post bail and go free. He's only back in jail because he used that opportunity to flagrantly do more crime. So we're totally fine with people accused of crimes walking free, as long as they have the money to buy their way out.
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This is a long facebook post that addresses your questions. I found it educational.dbt1949 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:05 pm Don't get me wrong, I hate Trump and most all his policies but I am having trouble sorting this particular thing all out.
Yes, these children are being treated wrong but most of these people coming from the south are here for financial reasons and will say anything to stay/get here.
If congress doesn't like how things are being run enact some laws to change it.
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Thanks! That does a good job of clearing a lot of things up.
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linkA Texas sheriff's deputy was being held Monday on a charge of "super aggravated sexual assault" of a 4-year-old girl after authorities say her mother, an undocumented immigrant, was being blackmailed to stay silent about the abuse — or face deportation.
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Fox in its favorite role as the Voice of the Deplorable
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"Summer camp"? What, did she go to Camp Crystal Lake as a child or something?
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Yeah, like sending your kids to Camp Manzanar
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After the whole boondoggle of the
you're desperately after the Hispanic vote aren't you?he's starting a war with N. Korea/he's placating N. Korea thing
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+1 for the Washington Post here.
Edit: Also this is hilarious in a sick, twisted way.
Edit: Also this is hilarious in a sick, twisted way.
Trump is pretty much among the worst leaders in the world (at least to his subordinates), he burns these people, and these people keep falling on swords for him. Why? I don't get it at all.Talking Points Memo wrote:However, Nielsen’s consent to take the brunt of the bullets from an increasingly unpopular policy has paid her no dividends with the boss. Per Politico, Trump has Nielsen square in his phaser beams, targeting his wrath on her as criticism pours in from both sides of the aisle.
Nielsen reportedly seems to be in an increasingly perilous situation, as Trump’s dislike—which he has sustained since she began in his White House, due to her Bush administration origins—grows and Kelly’s influence wanes.
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Trump is meeting with GOP leadership today to try to get out from under this disaster. I assume McConnell and Ryan are going to offer him a way to claim he has solved the problem and saved the children...
...at which point every surrogate and toady who put their reputations on the line to defend the policy will be left holding a bag of shit.
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"Infest."Trump wrote:Democrats are the problem. They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13. They can’t win on their terrible policies, so they view them as potential voters!
He's also using the same language to talk about migrants in Germany, but of course they've heard it before.
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It's funny, back when the orange turd got elected, I made some not-so-joking jokes about him setting up gulags. I wish I had been wrong.
I just don't see how it's possible for me to respect anyone who voted for this scum.
I just don't see how it's possible for me to respect anyone who voted for this scum.
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It's pretty baffling. I assume that it's a mix of ambition and the opportunity to wield power. And that once you've done a few bad things, probably easier to keep going than to admit your sins.
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More like mix of denial, self-flagellation, and Stockholm Syndrome.
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I wonder if this is the line in the sand that will finally start to turn his party against him? The voter blowback on this has got to be huge.
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Elections aren't until November. Voters have the attention span of a gnat at the best of times, and this will likely be buried under a massive mountain of other bullshit by then.
Sadly, I don't see it having much effect one way or the other.
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I don't think it will be. We have been shown time and time again that we have some really shitty people out there. To them anyone that wasn't born here does not matter and can be treated like animals.
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Yeah. Nope.
According the NYT's reporting, stoking divisions over immigration is central to Trump's 2018 election strategy.
The risk is great (and the blowback among Dems and independents might be greater than Trump/Miller/Kelly expected) but it's all aimed at motivating the base.Republicans typically handle immigration gingerly in an election year, as they try to appeal to Hispanic voters, independents and moderates across divergent districts. But with more Americans still opposing the tax measure than supporting it, Mr. Trump’s allies believe that trying to link Democrats to crimes committed by undocumented immigrants and gangs like MS-13 will do more to galvanize Republican voters and get them to the polls in November than emphasizing economic issues.
“People don’t turn out to say thank you,” said Corey Lewandowski, one of the president’s top political advisers. “If you want to get people motivated, you’ve got to give them a reason to vote. Saying ‘build the wall and stop illegals from coming in and killing American citizens’ gives them an important issue.”
This fear-oriented approach reflects the degree that Mr. Trump has put his anti-immigration imprint on the Republican Party. The same raw appeals Mr. Trump made in 2016 about immigrants illegally crossing the border have not abated among most of his Republican supporters. And his supporters say the party has little choice in an election where Democrats are eager to register their opposition to a president they despise — and that the only way to succeed in a campaign driven by turning out the party base is to focus on what grass-roots conservatives care most about.
The cruelty is a feature, not a bug. To the Deplorables, we absolutely are that country now.
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Yeah, best case scenario is this doesn't take us one more step toward genocide. It's a low bar.
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Funny side note - Session's church brought church charges against him for his immoral defense of the child separations and invoking the bible to support it.
A group of more than 600 United Methodist clergy unhappy with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, a fellow Methodist, on his zero-tolerance enforcement of US immigration law is bringing church charges against him, according to a United Methodist Church news release.
Sessions is a member of a Mobile, Alabama United Methodist church.
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This whole separation policy is hugely unpopular (more so than the travel ban, which actually mildly surprised me). Almost by definition it's going to cost Trump / the GOP in the polls in at least the short term. After that? Harder to say (in part because it will depend on what Trump does, including whether he ever rescinds the policy). While any given issue almost always fades over time, this stuff gets baked into people's long-term views (and this stuff is reaching low-information voters). Overall seems unlikely to help Trump, but the degree of impact is unclear.
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While standing in a checkout line this morning I again encountered an old white man who loudly proclaimed that Trump is finally setting things right after eight years of "the worst president this country has ever had." To her credit, the cashier deflected with "I never read news at all," which our Trumpster approved of because "It's all fake anyway."NickAragua wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:43 am It's funny, back when the orange turd got elected, I made some not-so-joking jokes about him setting up gulags. I wish I had been wrong.
I just don't see how it's possible for me to respect anyone who voted for this scum.
You can't engage with someone who's that far gone, much less respect him.
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Lots of fun stuff today boys and girls.....
Hundreds at Jeff Sessions own church....United Methodist Church.....sign petition calling him a child abuser for his immigration policies
And I just saw it posted above about the church..sry
US to break away from UN's Human Rights Council ..I mean if you have no human rights you dont need to be on the council right?
3 states refuse to send National Guard troops to the border due to policies on separating children
Hundreds at Jeff Sessions own church....United Methodist Church.....sign petition calling him a child abuser for his immigration policies
And I just saw it posted above about the church..sry
US to break away from UN's Human Rights Council ..I mean if you have no human rights you dont need to be on the council right?
3 states refuse to send National Guard troops to the border due to policies on separating children
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You know what makes MS-13 cohorts and other deadlies? Policies exactly like Trump is pursuing. You can bet these kids who came to the border to request asylum will remember this.
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You could always go with "What do you care? You've got one foot in the grave and then you're off to heaven." Which is one of my pet peeves with the whole thing. It seems like a loud and vocal subset of Trump supporters, those who think climate change is fake, and immigrants are bad, are one foot from dying. So why do they care about issues whose effects will only be seen after they are gone?Kraken wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:22 pmWhile standing in a checkout line this morning I again encountered an old white man who loudly proclaimed that Trump is finally setting things right after eight years of "the worst president this country has ever had." To her credit, the cashier deflected with "I never read news at all," which our Trumpster approved of because "It's all fake anyway."NickAragua wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:43 am It's funny, back when the orange turd got elected, I made some not-so-joking jokes about him setting up gulags. I wish I had been wrong.
I just don't see how it's possible for me to respect anyone who voted for this scum.
You can't engage with someone who's that far gone, much less respect him.
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Charlie Baker has announced that he'll no longer send the MA national guard to help at the border due to the separation policy.
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I think it's a mistake to do so, but the council itself is pretty hypocritical, with a long history of having countries with completely terrible human rights records as members.Daehawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:30 pm
US to break away from UN's Human Rights Council ..I mean if you have no human rights you dont need to be on the council right?
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You really have two options.
1) Allow any country to have a seat to foster inclusiveness
2) Let only those with good records have a seat, ostracizing those that don't, who aren't going to listen to you anyway.
1) Allow any country to have a seat to foster inclusiveness
2) Let only those with good records have a seat, ostracizing those that don't, who aren't going to listen to you anyway.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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If he had a lick of sense he'd quit repeating MS-13 ad nauseum and instead say Russian Mafia and he'd start screening the borders and airports for slavic descendants.
http://fortune.com/2014/09/14/biggest-o ... the-world/
He could even use this to highlight cracking down the Opium epidemic he's been saying he's been doing.
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Who needs the NYT for that? He's turned Whitehouse.gov in to his election siteHolman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:03 pm According the NYT's reporting, stoking divisions over immigration is central to Trump's 2018 election strategy.
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Look at your contents headers.
Hence the spin that there is no increase in separation, and besides this increase was caused by a bad loophole and the Democracts are stopping Congress from fixing this miscarriage of justice s to keep Trumps Decree... um executive order... um, whatever from working as intended making sure that children are in fact detained with their parents like all good humans want to do if but can't if it weren't democrats and their hatred of all the children.
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I would suggest only allowing in countries where its most recent election was certified free and fair by an independent organization. If you're not willing to provide that basic amount of human rights to your citizens, then there's nothing to discuss. And the uselessness of the UN HRC in its current form is the inevitable byproduct of not having any minimum human rights requirement to participate.
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