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But doesn’t that doom the main MCU to a dark future, per the Ancient One?Blackhawk wrote:Like I said, leaving it to your jewelry to determine the fate of thousands is a scary thing. I think the only thing Thanos did right was destroying the stones.
It would have been funny if there were a few other people Thanos-creatures spared from the snap, cowering behind some boulder during the battle, cause you know - they actually wanted nothing to do with the assault and the stones didn't target them.gameoverman wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:47 pm I can't help but wonder if Stark's command is something like "Thanos and his allies" what happens to people who work for Thanos against their will? How do the stones judge the moral dividing line between doing something because you want to and doing something because you have to? Or does it only go by the results, if you helped Thanos, you get snapped out? If you were being forced to help then it sucks to be you I guess.
Would Iron Man's snap have killed Thanos's space-cabbages on his retirement planet?Unagi wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:03 pmIt would have been funny if there were a few other people Thanos-creatures spared from the snap, cowering behind some boulder during the battle, cause you know - they actually wanted nothing to do with the assault and the stones didn't target them.gameoverman wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:47 pm I can't help but wonder if Stark's command is something like "Thanos and his allies" what happens to people who work for Thanos against their will? How do the stones judge the moral dividing line between doing something because you want to and doing something because you have to? Or does it only go by the results, if you helped Thanos, you get snapped out? If you were being forced to help then it sucks to be you I guess.
Yup. I assume that issue will be the focus of Doctor Strange 2.
I had to choke back some tears with the 'love you 3000'. My daughter and I have something quite like that. Plus I miss my dad.hentzau wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:12 am I saw it for the second time this weekend with the members of my family that hadn't seen it. If anything, I think it struck a more emotional punch with me on the second viewing. I was less trying to take in the entire film and more paying attention to the performances and setups. Great, great film.
It needs to be nothing more than "kill Thanos and his army here now". Not really all that complicated.gameoverman wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:47 pm I can't help but wonder if Stark's command is something like "Thanos and his allies" what happens to people who work for Thanos against their will? How do the stones judge the moral dividing line between doing something because you want to and doing something because you have to? Or does it only go by the results, if you helped Thanos, you get snapped out? If you were being forced to help then it sucks to be you I guess.
Could be, but I think they want more woman in the MCU and there is a female Ironperson in the comics, so this would be a natural step - let Tony's daughter follow in his footsteps.
Yeah, I thought of this also - the world had adapted to a population half the size it once was. Plus people would have moved on, remarried, died in the interim, property would have been inherited, sold off, etc. It would be a huge mess without the infrastructure problems of food, housing, jobs, etc.Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:21 am Saw it with my son this weekend and he pointed out a major flaw:
When they brought back all the vanished with a snap, it would have been a disaster. There was no infrastructure or food to support an instant doubling of the world's population = an apocalypse of epic proportions. Same thing for the "thousands of other planets."
Ok, just saw new Spiderman trailer but I don't think it means what you do. He's going to stay Spidey, not become Ironman, IMO.
Well, obviously. They aren’t going to be calling him Iron Man. Maybe a one-off mention of Iron Spider. That’s about it.Grifman wrote:Ok, just saw new Spiderman trailer but I don't think it means what you do. He's going to stay Spidey, not become Ironman, IMO.
I'm going to go with the theory that if the stones are pretty much capital G God level, then bringing back half the universe's population would be accompanied by the resulting necessary logistics to support that returning population.Grifman wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:24 amYeah, I thought of this also - the world had adapted to a population half the size it once was. Plus people would have moved on, remarried, died in the interim, property would have been inherited, sold off, etc. It would be a huge mess without the infrastructure problems of food, housing, jobs, etc.Jaymann wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:21 am Saw it with my son this weekend and he pointed out a major flaw:
When they brought back all the vanished with a snap, it would have been a disaster. There was no infrastructure or food to support an instant doubling of the world's population = an apocalypse of epic proportions. Same thing for the "thousands of other planets."
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Well, I do remember a discussion a couple of years ago that the snap killed off half of all living things - people, animals, probably even plants. The Desnapping, then, would have doubled the population, but also doubled the food sources.hepcat wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:25 pm
I'm going to go with the theory that if the stones are pretty much capital G God level, then bringing back half the universe's population would be accompanied by the resulting necessary logistics to support that returning population.
Because
p.s. but if your spouse got remarried while you were ashy, then you're SOL.
To be fair, Tony also preserved millions of other families that had emerged in the five years since the original dusting. At the cost of royally messing with the heads of everyone on both sides when lost loved ones re-materialized. All the people on planes that died when the planes fell out of the sky after the first dusting? Still dead. I don't think there was any good answer by the movie's logic - but what they did was the best answer.
I dont think this was the best answer. I think reverting the original snap so that it never happened is the best option because then it messes with nobody...technically...Paingod wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:33 amTo be fair, Tony also preserved millions of other families that had emerged in the five years since the original dusting. At the cost of royally messing with the heads of everyone on both sides when lost loved ones re-materialized. All the people on planes that died when the planes fell out of the sky after the first dusting? Still dead. I don't think there was any good answer by the movie's logic - but what they did was the best answer.
Yes they would. They'd exist in a timeline where the snap happened, then unhappened. They don't erase events from their own experience in the MCU.
But by the time travel logic established in the movie, they *can't* really undo the snap - that was the point of the "strangling baby Thanos" discussion. If they tried that all that they would do is create a new divergent timeline where the snap never happened - it wouldn't fix the timeline where it did. So the Avengers could basically go live in a universe / timeline where the snap wouldn't happened, but in their original timeline (where the snap happened) everyone would still be missing half the population. By bringing things forward into the future they basically fixed the future (what hadn't happened yet), which does fix their timeline.Punisher wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:31 pmI dont think this was the best answer. I think reverting the original snap so that it never happened is the best option because then it messes with nobody...technically...Paingod wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:33 amTo be fair, Tony also preserved millions of other families that had emerged in the five years since the original dusting. At the cost of royally messing with the heads of everyone on both sides when lost loved ones re-materialized. All the people on planes that died when the planes fell out of the sky after the first dusting? Still dead. I don't think there was any good answer by the movie's logic - but what they did was the best answer.
the way they did it messes with everyone. both the survivors and the ones brought back. you have things were people have moved on and re-married (ala The Manifest), people have died naturally and the returnees didnt get to say their goodbyes. you have the people that were on the plane that crashed where half of them were snapped, and now they are back and lost their loved ones from the crash.
If they revert, then NONE of it happened. Including the new families and NO ONE would realize anything was wrong since the snap never happened. They wouldn't realize they lost any new family members. Yes it would suck that some of the new children would vanish, but the over all best thing is to have it so that everyone forgets permanently.
I could have sworn they didnt undo the snap only because Tony said not to because he didnt want to lose his family. I'll have to watch again I guess.El Guapo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:53 amBut by the time travel logic established in the movie, they *can't* really undo the snap - that was the point of the "strangling baby Thanos" discussion. If they tried that all that they would do is create a new divergent timeline where the snap never happened - it wouldn't fix the timeline where it did. So the Avengers could basically go live in a universe / timeline where the snap wouldn't happened, but in their original timeline (where the snap happened) everyone would still be missing half the population. By bringing things forward into the future they basically fixed the future (what hadn't happened yet), which does fix their timeline.Punisher wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:31 pmI dont think this was the best answer. I think reverting the original snap so that it never happened is the best option because then it messes with nobody...technically...Paingod wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:33 amTo be fair, Tony also preserved millions of other families that had emerged in the five years since the original dusting. At the cost of royally messing with the heads of everyone on both sides when lost loved ones re-materialized. All the people on planes that died when the planes fell out of the sky after the first dusting? Still dead. I don't think there was any good answer by the movie's logic - but what they did was the best answer.
the way they did it messes with everyone. both the survivors and the ones brought back. you have things were people have moved on and re-married (ala The Manifest), people have died naturally and the returnees didnt get to say their goodbyes. you have the people that were on the plane that crashed where half of them were snapped, and now they are back and lost their loved ones from the crash.
If they revert, then NONE of it happened. Including the new families and NO ONE would realize anything was wrong since the snap never happened. They wouldn't realize they lost any new family members. Yes it would suck that some of the new children would vanish, but the over all best thing is to have it so that everyone forgets permanently.
To the extent that any of this makes actual logical sense, anyway.