Former federal prosecutor Sidney Powell, a Trump campaign lawyer, suggested in a Sunday interview that the president’s legal team is receiving a deluge of evidence concerning voter fraud and irregularities.
“We’re getting ready to overturn election results in multiple states,” Powell said on Fox Business, adding that she has enough evidence of election fraud to launch a widespread criminal investigation. “I don’t make comments without having the evidence to back it up.”
“We’ve identified mathematically the exact algorithm they’ve used—and planned to use from the beginning” that allegedly switched votes to Biden, Powell said.
Is this a joke site?
Epoch Times? Yes, but unintentionally.
I expect they’ll come up with something that sounds “smart” enough for the MAGAs to buy into it entirely, but will fall apart the moment it comes under any scrutiny at all.
It will never be submitted to the courts, but will be amplified on the usual places until it is adopted as gospel truth. Further eroding the faith in system.
When darkness veils the world, four Warriors of Light shall come.
Former federal prosecutor Sidney Powell, a Trump campaign lawyer, suggested in a Sunday interview that the president’s legal team is receiving a deluge of evidence concerning voter fraud and irregularities.
“We’re getting ready to overturn election results in multiple states,” Powell said on Fox Business, adding that she has enough evidence of election fraud to launch a widespread criminal investigation. “I don’t make comments without having the evidence to back it up.”
“We’ve identified mathematically the exact algorithm they’ve used—and planned to use from the beginning” that allegedly switched votes to Biden, Powell said.
In 2019, an NBC News investigative report suggested The Epoch Times's political coverage may be affected by Falun Gong believers' anticipation of a judgment day in which communists are sent to hell, and Falun Gong's allies are spared. Former Epoch Times employees told NBC News that President Donald Trump is viewed as a key anti-communist ally,[18] allegedly hastening that judgment day.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
Former federal prosecutor Sidney Powell, a Trump campaign lawyer, suggested in a Sunday interview that the president’s legal team is receiving a deluge of evidence concerning voter fraud and irregularities.
“We’re getting ready to overturn election results in multiple states,” Powell said on Fox Business, adding that she has enough evidence of election fraud to launch a widespread criminal investigation. “I don’t make comments without having the evidence to back it up.”
“We’ve identified mathematically the exact algorithm they’ve used—and planned to use from the beginning” that allegedly switched votes to Biden, Powell said.
In 2019, an NBC News investigative report suggested The Epoch Times's political coverage may be affected by Falun Gong believers' anticipation of a judgment day in which communists are sent to hell, and Falun Gong's allies are spared. Former Epoch Times employees told NBC News that President Donald Trump is viewed as a key anti-communist ally,[18] allegedly hastening that judgment day.
Thank you guys. That's disturbing. I found the initial link posted by the crazies on a gator football forum.
One worry pre-election was that worries that Trump would steal that election might reduce turnout among anti-Trump voters. Obviously, that doesn't seem to have happened. But, I wonder if all of Trump's tweets and the support of much of the GOP about election fraud might actually have the effect in future elections of reducing Republican turnout. If they think the election will be stolen like it was this year, what's the point in coming out to vote?
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:29 am
One worry pre-election was that worries that Trump would steal that election might reduce turnout among anti-Trump voters. Obviously, that doesn't seem to have happened. But, I wonder if all of Trump's tweets and the support of much of the GOP about election fraud might actually have the effect in future elections of reducing Republican turnout. If they think the election will be stolen like it was this year, what's the point in coming out to vote?
My worry is that Republican belief that elections are fake gives a green light to every future GOP Governor or Secretary of State or AG to go all-in on election fraud. And their voters will condone it.
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:29 am
One worry pre-election was that worries that Trump would steal that election might reduce turnout among anti-Trump voters. Obviously, that doesn't seem to have happened. But, I wonder if all of Trump's tweets and the support of much of the GOP about election fraud might actually have the effect in future elections of reducing Republican turnout. If they think the election will be stolen like it was this year, what's the point in coming out to vote?
Except that the "fraud" is being very clearly defined as "any vote that's not Republican". As long as that continues to be the message, I imagine it will actually increase their turnout. They'll want to ensure that there is enough strong support for when the "fraudulent" (i.e. non-Republican) votes are discarded because reasons.
When darkness veils the world, four Warriors of Light shall come.
I'm not completely convinced (yet) that normal, non-mentally ill people are going to take it upon themselves to push the election fraud narrative. Sure, Republican politicians are going to take advantage of it if Trump's going to blast it out there, but do you really see that coming from the GOP establishment after Trump's gone?
As much as we'd like to believe that the entire Republican party is living in an alternate reality, my guess is that the vast majority know exactly what's going on and their actions are borne out of political strategy and not personal belief that the election was actually stolen. Trump's la-la land fantasies are just political cover for them to get away with what they can get away with. With Trump out of the picture, I'm not sure any of them has the actual cajones to seriously push an alternate reality agenda.
I think this is particularly true considering the strategy didn't even *work*. Despite Trump's claims, Biden's still going to be President. Undermining faith in the elections doesn't help Republicans unless they're somehow benefitting from it by getting results overturned, which hasn't happened. And can't happen, given the fraud doesn't actually exist. In short, I see a lot of downsides (loss of credibility, getting smacked around by the courts, suppressing their own voter turnout, driving Democratic turnout (to overcome close margins), etc. I see very little upside after this election, given they didn't accomplish anything.
They believe it because Trump says it. They never believed it before Trump, just as they weren't decrying "fake news" until he made it a thing. Remove the narrative (Trump), you remove the culture.
This cult is not going to operate in the same way without its leader.
YellowKing wrote:They believe it because Trump says it. They never believed it before Trump, just as they weren't decrying "fake news" until he made it a thing. Remove the narrative (Trump), you remove the culture.
This cult is not going to operate in the same way without its leader.
Are you kidding?
Fake liberal news has been a thing since i was a kid. He just rebranded it. Limbaugh, Jones, OANN, Fox have since at least the nineties pitched themselves as where to find the real truth. Jon Stewart built half his show on that premise.
It may be getting worse, but the idea that liberal media / education lies and propogandizes vs conservatives are the keepers of the sacred truth is as old as time.
I'll grant you that Murdoch, the Kochs, Gingrich, Trump etc have branded and packaged it into an explicitly political tool of the governmental right.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
YellowKing wrote:They believe it because Trump says it. They never believed it before Trump, just as they weren't decrying "fake news" until he made it a thing. Remove the narrative (Trump), you remove the culture.
This cult is not going to operate in the same way without its leader.
Are you kidding?
Fake liberal news has been a thing since i was a kid. He just rebranded it. Limbaugh, Jones, OANN, Fox have since at least the nineties pitched themselves as where to find the real truth. Jon Stewart built half his show on that premise.
It may be getting worse, but the idea that liberal media / education lies and propogandizes vs conservatives are the keepers of the sacred truth is as old as time.
I'll grant you that Murdoch, the Kochs, Gingrich, Trump etc have branded and packaged it into an explicitly political tool of the governmental right.
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Yep.
Left Turn: How Liberal Media Bias Distorts the American Mind
by Tim Groseclose
Hardcover, 304 pages
Published July 19th 2011 by St. Martin's Press
And that's far from the first one. This narrative have been going on for decades. Trump just lucked into it and wielded it where no one dared before.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
Combustible Lemur wrote:Fake liberal news has been a thing since i was a kid. He just rebranded it.
I'd argue that "liberal media bias" was a thing. Hence Fox News "fair and balanced." I never saw the wholesale repudiation of actual facts (IE the news is making stuff up) pre-Trump. It may be a fine distinction, as I know conservative outlets considered liberal "spin" as untrue. But Trump introduced the idea that the sky is green, even when you could look out your window and see it was blue. He posited that objectively provable facts were no longer facts, and that the media, instead of interpreting facts with their radical liberal spin, were just making things up whole cloth.
Combustible Lemur wrote:Fake liberal news has been a thing since i was a kid. He just rebranded it.
I'd argue that "liberal media bias" was a thing. Hence Fox News "fair and balanced." I never saw the wholesale repudiation of actual facts (IE the news is making stuff up) pre-Trump. It may be a fine distinction, as I know conservative outlets considered liberal "spin" as untrue. But Trump introduced the idea that the sky is green, even when you could look out your window and see it was blue. He posited that objectively provable facts were no longer facts, and that the media, instead of interpreting facts with their radical liberal spin, were just making things up whole cloth.
Sweet summer child...
I'll grant that Trump certainly took it to a whole other level, and that his followers are beyond the pale, but this isn't a new concept that began with Trump. Fact-optional politics have been a major part of the GOP at least as long as I've been paying close attention (so, early 2000s).
YellowKing wrote:They believe it because Trump says it. They never believed it before Trump, just as they weren't decrying "fake news" until he made it a thing. Remove the narrative (Trump), you remove the culture.
This cult is not going to operate in the same way without its leader.
Why not? Trunpism sells by way of getting votes and potential campaign contributions. It's the easy path for a Republican politician to take in most of the red states.
Believe me, I'd like to see your vision of a future Republican party come to pass but I don't think that's happening for a while.
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Zaxxon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:01 pmFact-optional politics have been a major part of the GOP at least as long as I've been paying close attention (so, early 2000s).
While I want to bang that drum, you can't not acknowledge that a large part of the GOP's base has been facts-optional as well. Ignorant (as the dictionary definition) voters are their bread and butter. I'm not saying Liberals are strictly science as religion, but they tend to expect more evidence in their dialog.
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YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:59 am
I'm not completely convinced (yet) that normal, non-mentally ill people are going to take it upon themselves to push the election fraud narrative. Sure, Republican politicians are going to take advantage of it if Trump's going to blast it out there, but do you really see that coming from the GOP establishment after Trump's gone?
Zaxxon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:01 pmFact-optional politics have been a major part of the GOP at least as long as I've been paying close attention (so, early 2000s).
While I want to bang that drum, you can't not acknowledge that a large part of the GOP's base has been facts-optional as well.
Indeed, you cannot not. Which is why I did acknowledge that part.
Zaxxon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:01 pm
I'll grant that Trump certainly took it to a whole other level, and that his followers are beyond the pale, but this isn't a new concept that began with Trump. Fact-optional politics have been a major part of the GOP at least as long as I've been paying close attention (so, early 2000s).
Combustible Lemur wrote:Fake liberal news has been a thing since i was a kid. He just rebranded it.
I'd argue that "liberal media bias" was a thing. Hence Fox News "fair and balanced." I never saw the wholesale repudiation of actual facts (IE the news is making stuff up) pre-Trump. It may be a fine distinction, as I know conservative outlets considered liberal "spin" as untrue. But Trump introduced the idea that the sky is green, even when you could look out your window and see it was blue. He posited that objectively provable facts were no longer facts, and that the media, instead of interpreting facts with their radical liberal spin, were just making things up whole cloth.
Are you JUST talking the modern communications technology toolkit or the general idea of discrediting your political opponents for power and ideology.
If the former, sure i can appreciate the distinction. If the latter, i would argue it's your vestigial conservative bias.
Fossil fuels, smoking, The drug war, athiesm, immigration, the red scare, european style socialism.
People in power arent any more savvy or savage today. They just have fancier tools and its harder to keep it hidden.
YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:54 am
But Trump introduced the idea that the sky is green, even when you could look out your window and see it was blue. He posited that objectively provable facts were no longer facts, and that the media, instead of interpreting facts with their radical liberal spin, were just making things up whole cloth.
Trump didn't introduce that. George Orwell wrote about it and even he didn't make it up whole cloth. He got it from history.
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Fair point. I guess my distinction is more around Trump's bluntness vs the "couching in spin" techniques of past administrations. And certainly that openness may be a direct consequence of social media.
YellowKing wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:32 pm
Fair point. I guess my distinction is more around Trump's bluntness vs the "couching in spin" techniques of past administrations. And certainly that openness may be a direct consequence of social media.
I think this is a fair distinction. It's never been a brazen as Trump style lying.
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LawBeefaroni wrote:And that's far from the first one. This narrative have been going on for decades. Trump just lucked into it and wielded it where no one dared before.
Yeah, it’s been going on as long as there’s been conservative media.
A solid tweet thread from a guy who made his bones attacking the liberal media.
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And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Drazzil wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:39 pm
Would we be better off as a country if Trump is the one who tries to seize power now vs a smart fascist in 4 or 8 years?
An intelligent question from the Drazmeister! Trump's bumbling attempted coup will fail, but bastards like Graham and Cruz are taking notes.
Drazzil wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:39 pm
Would we be better off as a country if Trump is the one who tries to seize power now vs a smart fascist in 4 or 8 years?
An intelligent question from the Drazmeister! Trump's bumbling attempted coup will fail, but bastards like Graham and Cruz are taking notes.
I would happily choose a 60% chance that someone tries to become a dictator in 2024 over a 100% chance of someone trying to become a dictator today.
Plus, there's a degree to which a "Smarter Trump" is a contradiction in terms. Part of Trump's appeal is that he's openly racist instead of using code words, because he "says what he thinks" (what people want to be able to say) and "is for us" (helps white people not brown people), etc. So someone like Rubio or Graham can't really capture the same zeitgeist that Trump can.
The narrative has always been there. The thing that is changing is that the narrative no longer has its populist cheerleader reminding everyone about it every couple of hours. It will still be there after Trump is just a tarnished bronze bust in the basement of the White House, but it may not be as popular or prevalent.
Will people still be glued to Twitter and Facebook when it had gone back to boring political statements instead of Donny Trump's Lib Roast?
Plaintiffs aligned with President Donald Trump in four states on Monday abruptly dropped recently filed lawsuits challenging ballots seen as giving President-elect Joe Biden his margin of victory in those locales.
The dismissals of the cases, which all involved plaintiffs represented by lawyer James Bopp and the conservative group True the Vote, occurred in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
...
When asked why the cases were being dismissed, Bopp told CNBC in an email that because of attorney-client privilege, “and because I do not telegraph my next moves, I cannot comment.”
It is not clear if Bopp will seek to resurrect the claims, but it is legally possible he and the plaintiffs could do so.
YellowKing wrote:They believe it because Trump says it. They never believed it before Trump, just as they weren't decrying "fake news" until he made it a thing. Remove the narrative (Trump), you remove the culture.
This cult is not going to operate in the same way without its leader.
Are you kidding?
Fake liberal news has been a thing since i was a kid. He just rebranded it. Limbaugh, Jones, OANN, Fox have since at least the nineties pitched themselves as where to find the real truth. Jon Stewart built half his show on that premise.
It may be getting worse, but the idea that liberal media / education lies and propogandizes vs conservatives are the keepers of the sacred truth is as old as time.
I'll grant you that Murdoch, the Kochs, Gingrich, Trump etc have branded and packaged it into an explicitly political tool of the governmental right.
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Yep.
Left Turn: How Liberal Media Bias Distorts the American Mind
by Tim Groseclose
Hardcover, 304 pages
Published July 19th 2011 by St. Martin's Press
And that's far from the first one. This narrative have been going on for decades. Trump just lucked into it and wielded it where no one dared before.
Late to the party but this is one of my favorite topics. The classic one that broke the glass was Bias by Bernard Goldberg but it started further back in the 90s. Fox News launched under Ailes in 1996. That was probably the clearest starting line. It also lines up 2 years after the Contract with America. The launch off point for the decline of the GOP. For many of us, it has been slowly boiling us most of our adult lives.
Holman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:02 am
Just saw the stat that some 70% of Republicans believe this election was fraudulent.
At at certain point it doesn't matter what the elites believe. The narrative sets the culture and shapes the next generation of politicians.
We'll never see another John McCain. We'll see a whole lot of Matt Gaetz's.
I'm not substantively challenging that a lot of Republicans may believe this election was fraudulent (although I'm also not convinced of the magnitude), but I'm curious where you saw that stat.
I imagine it's based on polling. Would love to know what firm did the poll and what their methodology was. My default position from this election onward is that polling is fundamentally broken. Technology has left it behind, and it's not worth shit in its current form.
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Holman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:02 am
Just saw the stat that some 70% of Republicans believe this election was fraudulent.
At at certain point it doesn't matter what the elites believe. The narrative sets the culture and shapes the next generation of politicians.
We'll never see another John McCain. We'll see a whole lot of Matt Gaetz's.
I'm not substantively challenging that a lot of Republicans may believe this election was fraudulent (although I'm also not convinced of the magnitude), but I'm curious where you saw that stat.
I imagine it's based on polling. Would love to know what firm did the poll and what their methodology was. My default position from this election onward is that polling is fundamentally broken. Technology has left it behind, and it's not worth shit in its current form.
After the presidential race was called for Democratic candidate Joe Biden, Republicans’ trust in the election system plummeted, while Democrats’ trust soared, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll.
Multiple new organizations announced Biden as the election winner on Saturday after four days of counting in several swing states. Following the news, 70 percent of Republicans now say they don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair, a stark rise from the 35 percent of GOP voters who held similar beliefs before the election. Meanwhile, trust in the election system grew for Democrats, many who took to the streets to celebrate Biden’s victory on Saturday. Ninety percent of Democrats now say the election was free and fair, up from 52 percent before Nov. 3 who thought it would be.
First thing I thought of!