Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:00 pm
Judge: "Rudy, do the pants thing, do the pants thing!"
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
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Judge: "Rudy, do the pants thing, do the pants thing!"
"A staffer for Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger said Tuesday that he participated in a controversial phone call with Sen. Lindsey Graham and said he heard Graham ask if state officials could throw out ballots."
Man, if you told me before the election that we'd be counting on the integrity of GA's Republican SoS for part of the outcome, I'd have said that we were fucked.Smoove_B wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:23 pm I know we're all waiting to hear about Rudy tucking his shirt in, but look at this:
"A staffer for Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger said Tuesday that he participated in a controversial phone call with Sen. Lindsey Graham and said he heard Graham ask if state officials could throw out ballots."
Apparently there are tech issues and the hearing is paused. There were 8,000 people on the line when it dropped.
Nice. I pity the kids who don't know what you are talking about.LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:19 pmAndy Kaufman still has 2 months to tear off the Trump mask and laugh in our faces.
Trump was tweeting out celebration about this and Hannity and McEnany were whooping and hollering when the deadlock was broken and the vote was certified. More later but they took a shot at trying to swing Michigan outside the court system.
It's 28% of the precincts, not 28% of the vote.
367 votes when Trump lost by 200k is why it's ridiculous not to certify.Detroit Free Press wrote:Of Detroit's 503 Election Day precincts, 66 recorded unexplained discrepancies in the vote totals as did 94 of the city's 134 absent voter counting boards. The majority of Election Day precincts and absent voter counting boards that were not in "balance," recorded discrepancies of three votes or less. Ten Election Day precincts and 43 absent voter counting boards recorded discrepancies of four or more votes or more. The discrepancies amount to roughly 367 votes. Detroit's unofficial election results show roughly 150,000 Detroiters voted in November's election.
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Wayne County’s unofficial election results, which were posted Nov. 5, showed former Vice-President Joe Biden received 587,074 votes — 67.99% of the votes cast for president in Wayne County — while President Donald Trump received 264,149, or 30.59%.
"We've gotta keep this traffic flowing and accept a little sin..." - John McCreastessier wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:38 amIt's 28% of the precincts, not 28% of the vote.
367 votes when Trump lost by 200k is why it's ridiculous not to certify.Detroit Free Press wrote:Of Detroit's 503 Election Day precincts, 66 recorded unexplained discrepancies in the vote totals as did 94 of the city's 134 absent voter counting boards. The majority of Election Day precincts and absent voter counting boards that were not in "balance," recorded discrepancies of three votes or less. Ten Election Day precincts and 43 absent voter counting boards recorded discrepancies of four or more votes or more. The discrepancies amount to roughly 367 votes. Detroit's unofficial election results show roughly 150,000 Detroiters voted in November's election.
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Wayne County’s unofficial election results, which were posted Nov. 5, showed former Vice-President Joe Biden received 587,074 votes — 67.99% of the votes cast for president in Wayne County — while President Donald Trump received 264,149, or 30.59%.
Uh, no we don't? You understand that this is totally normal, right? Like, it's impossible to process 140 million ballots and have everything reconcile. Heck, with all the tech we have now, this is probably the closest we've ever gotten to getting it right.Yojimbo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:46 am"We've gotta keep this traffic flowing and accept a little sin..." - John McCreastessier wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:38 amIt's 28% of the precincts, not 28% of the vote.
367 votes when Trump lost by 200k is why it's ridiculous not to certify.Detroit Free Press wrote:Of Detroit's 503 Election Day precincts, 66 recorded unexplained discrepancies in the vote totals as did 94 of the city's 134 absent voter counting boards. The majority of Election Day precincts and absent voter counting boards that were not in "balance," recorded discrepancies of three votes or less. Ten Election Day precincts and 43 absent voter counting boards recorded discrepancies of four or more votes or more. The discrepancies amount to roughly 367 votes. Detroit's unofficial election results show roughly 150,000 Detroiters voted in November's election.
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Wayne County’s unofficial election results, which were posted Nov. 5, showed former Vice-President Joe Biden received 587,074 votes — 67.99% of the votes cast for president in Wayne County — while President Donald Trump received 264,149, or 30.59%.
I hear what you are saying and I suspect that the DNC lawyers will begin with de minimis arguments. The problem is when the other side masses a large list of 'small' errors and then points out that in those areas that WERE audited more was found with each pass. We need to finish cold and calculating, not fast and approximate or we give Trump that large list.
I think you may be under the mistaken impression that it's possible to have a 100% accurate count under our current system. 367 out of 150k is a 99.8% accuracy rate. Elections are largely carried out by volunteers, under difficult circumstances, with disparate rules and systems across locations and even within locations from one election to the next. If the discrepancies are nowhere near the level it would take to cast doubt on the actual outcome, we're done here. #cavejohnsonYojimbo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:46 am"We've gotta keep this traffic flowing and accept a little sin..." - John McCreastessier wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:38 amIt's 28% of the precincts, not 28% of the vote.
367 votes when Trump lost by 200k is why it's ridiculous not to certify.Detroit Free Press wrote:Of Detroit's 503 Election Day precincts, 66 recorded unexplained discrepancies in the vote totals as did 94 of the city's 134 absent voter counting boards. The majority of Election Day precincts and absent voter counting boards that were not in "balance," recorded discrepancies of three votes or less. Ten Election Day precincts and 43 absent voter counting boards recorded discrepancies of four or more votes or more. The discrepancies amount to roughly 367 votes. Detroit's unofficial election results show roughly 150,000 Detroiters voted in November's election.
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Wayne County’s unofficial election results, which were posted Nov. 5, showed former Vice-President Joe Biden received 587,074 votes — 67.99% of the votes cast for president in Wayne County — while President Donald Trump received 264,149, or 30.59%.
I hear what you are saying and I suspect that the DNC lawyers will begin with de minimis arguments. The problem is when the other side masses a large list of 'small' errors and then points out that in those areas that WERE audited more was found with each pass. We need to finish cold and calculating, not fast and approximate or we give Trump that large list.
Every corporation has a minimum amount that needs to be reviewed for invoices/expenses. And it's not $1.Yojimbo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:10 pm Part 5 (Energy)
Sun Tzu said: The control of a large force is the same principle as the control of a few men: it is merely a question of dividing up their numbers. That is, cutting up the army into regiments, companies, etc., with subordinate officers in command of each. Tu Mu reminds us of Han Hsin's famous reply to the first Han Emperor, who once said to him: "How large an army do you think I could lead?" "Not more than 100,000 men, your Majesty." "And you?" asked the Emperor. "Oh!" he answered, "the more the better."
Fighting with a large army under your command is nowise different from fighting with a small one: it is merely a question of instituting signs and signals.
What I do understand is that every large corporation in the world keeps track of millions of dollars. And yet they have audit standards that are very stringent. They use Accounts and Cost Centers to divide up responsibility into smaller and smaller groups with accountability at the local level (per Sun Tzu). When court cases happen (and they do often) approximation is not looked upon favorably. And, more importantly, the person who signed the books goes to jail in almost every case - not the CEO. I know a lady who did actual prison time because her boss told her to sign a 941 that had a few thousand dollars of improperly categorized money on it. This was out of hundreds of millions of USD. What you get used to signing off on locally and what an actual Court will consider "de minimis" are two different things. If its that hard to reconcile (as you suggest) it needs to be broken down into smaller groups with divided responsibility - until it is "manageable". I would wager when the laws were passed to do this at the county level the populations were a fraction of what they are today and it was manageable at that level in the way back when.
Its very easy for outsiders to cheer these local folks on, because (like the CEO) we are not going to prison.
Reviewed <> Balanced and Reconciled.noxiousdog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:17 pm Every corporation has a minimum amount that needs to be reviewed for invoices/expenses. And it's not $1.
At this point I literally wouldn't be surprised if he declared he's creating a new 51st state called Trumptopia, which as it turns out carries 75 electoral votes.
He's just crashing symbols and banging loud drums as far as I can see. His MO is well established; bluster and braggadocious so the other guy can't make his free throw (or putt if you will).
Ok, pony up the money to make it work.Yojimbo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:10 pm Part 5 (Energy)
Sun Tzu said: The control of a large force is the same principle as the control of a few men: it is merely a question of dividing up their numbers. That is, cutting up the army into regiments, companies, etc., with subordinate officers in command of each. Tu Mu reminds us of Han Hsin's famous reply to the first Han Emperor, who once said to him: "How large an army do you think I could lead?" "Not more than 100,000 men, your Majesty." "And you?" asked the Emperor. "Oh!" he answered, "the more the better."
Fighting with a large army under your command is nowise different from fighting with a small one: it is merely a question of instituting signs and signals.
What I do understand is that every large corporation in the world keeps track of millions of dollars. And yet they have audit standards that are very stringent. They use Accounts and Cost Centers to divide up responsibility into smaller and smaller groups with accountability at the local level (per Sun Tzu). When court cases happen (and they do often) approximation is not looked upon favorably. And, more importantly, the person who signed the books goes to jail in almost every case - not the CEO. I know a lady who did actual prison time because her boss told her to sign a 941 that had a few thousand dollars of improperly categorized money on it. This was out of hundreds of millions of USD. What you get used to signing off on locally and what an actual Court will consider "de minimis" are two different things. If its that hard to reconcile (as you suggest) it needs to be broken down into smaller groups with divided responsibility - until it is "manageable". I would wager when the laws were passed to do this at the county level the populations were a fraction of what they are today and it was manageable at that level in the way back when.
Its very easy for outsiders to cheer these local folks on, because (like the CEO) we are not going to prison.
You want a more professional election, fund and staff it that way. Otherwise, this is the best we can do.Agency Funding
Critical issues continue to impact the SEC budget. A breakdown of previous budget requests and the
status of funding is listed below:
Supervise and Audit Counties
Act 196 of 2014 required the SEC to supervise the conduct of county boards of registration and elections
and conduct county compliance audits to ensure compliance with state and federal laws and agency
policies and procedures. Full funding was provided in FY2017-18.
Voter Registration System and Election Infrastrncture Security
The SEC requested $370,000 in FY2017-18 for voter registration system and election infrastructure
security, but funding was not provided. The SEC strives to remain vigilant in the protection of the
state's election infrastructure. In this quickly evolving environment, no one knows the specific threats
we may face in the coming years, but the challenges are ce1iain. Adequate funding and continued
paiinerships with state, federal and private organizations will be essential to protect South Carolina's
election infrastructure.
Poll Worker Pay Increase
In the FY2017-18 budget request, the SEC received $300,000 to provide for a poll manager increase.
Poll managers will receive an additional $15 for the day of work with the pay for training and the
paperwork day remaining at $60 per day.
Increase County Boards of Voter Registration and Elections Board Member Stipend
The SEC requested $150,000 in recurring funding in the FY2017-18 budget request for an increase of
$500 per member in county board of voter registration and election members stipends. Board member
stipends are currently $1,500 per yeai· and have not been increased since FY2000. Funding was not
provided in the FY2017-18 budget request for this initiative.
New Statewide Voting System Replacement Fund
The current statewide voting system was implemented in 2004/2005 with a life expectancy of 12 - 15
years. Over the past six fiscal years, the Agency has made budget requests to build a fund over several
years to replace the state's aging voting system. The SEC requested $5M in seed funding in the 2017-
18 request, but funding was not provided. To date, $IM has been placed into an account for the new
system with the Department of Administration until such time as a new voting system is available for
purchase by the SEC.
Refresh of Current Statewide Voting System
The SEC also requested $7.5M in non-recurring funds in the FY2017-18 budget request when it was
dete1mined by the vendor of the voting system that the system could be refreshed to extend the life of
the system for approximately five yeai·s. Funding was not provided for the refresh in the FY2017-18
budget.
It didn't even have to be racism -- though it very well might have been -- it could have been misguided loyalty. We have seen enormous pressure to change results. That some might have succumbed to pressure in service to the party or just went rogue under influence from Trump is what concerns me.
I think you got to the very heart of the situation above.stessier wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:33 pm No amount of recounting after the fact is going to fix that discrepancy - you have to pay up front to come up with a different way that CAN be reconciled. Your large corporation tracking millions spends millions tracking it with hundreds of people focused solely on that task. This is from South Carolina's Election Commission from 2016-2017
My sense is that the racism is a side effect of the main partisan purpose. They're trying to find ways to change things so that Republicans win. Race is part of it because there are correlations between race and partisan identity, at least at the moment.malchior wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:44 pmIt didn't even have to be racism -- though it very well might have been -- it could have been misguided loyalty. We have seen enormous pressure to change results. That some might have succumbed to pressure in service to the party or just went rogue under influence from Trump is what concerns me.
I legitimately hope there are an army of lawyers standing by looking to counter-sue the Trump campaign and the Nevada Republican party for all kinds of money. This is beyond absurd.Trump Campaign Sues Homeless Nevada Presidential Elector in Latest Push to Challenge Results
The lawsuit, which was jointly filed by the Trump campaign and the Nevada Republican Party, seeks to award the state's six electoral college votes to the president or annul the election result there.
If successful, the suit would invalidate tens of thousands of votes, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
D'Ayr was chosen as a Democratic presidential elector at convention elections earlier in 2020. She said she only found out she was named as a defendant when she was contacted by the Review-Journal.
"I'm a homeless veteran, and the Trump campaign is suing me for doing my civic duty," she told the newspaper on Tuesday.