Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:08 pm
Rand Paul’s neighbor, where are you when this country needs you??!?
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons bring us some web forums whereupon we can gather
http://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/
Rand and the GOP just want to profit from the bad faith argument(s).hepcat wrote:Also, that POS Rand keeps trying to insinuate that journalists don’t insert themselves into a story by correcting or even challenging their subjects. What a load of shit. Frost and Nixon comes to mind almost immediately. There have ALWAYS been journalists who speak truth to power. Just because scumbags like you want to get away with shit doesn’t mean others are wrong for pointing out you’re a piece of human filth.
Mississippi will go Blue before Kentucky does.
Again I ask, who would be the two sides in a civil war? If it's deplorables vs the US Army, it's over before it starts. If it is fighting in the streets between deplorables and leftists, that's not civil war, that's civil unrest.Daehawk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:58 pm Fall of America: Founder Of Largest Hedge Fund Says Full-Blown Civil War, Revolution May Be Coming
He's writing about class war. There's been one simmering for decades, and his side has been winning. He's afraid that's going to reverse. If the billionaire class sics its army on a revolting underclass, with whom will the soldiers fight? What class of people comprise the army? He's right to be worried.Jaymann wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:02 pmAgain I ask, who would be the two sides in a civil war? If it's deplorables vs the US Army, it's over before it starts. If it is fighting in the streets between deplorables and leftists, that's not civil war, that's civil unrest.Daehawk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:58 pm Fall of America: Founder Of Largest Hedge Fund Says Full-Blown Civil War, Revolution May Be Coming
This "possible" civil war has a lot of similarities to the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. I won't go into it, but if you just look at the brief history of that war, why it was started and who fought on each side it is kind of similar to the US today.Kraken wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:30 pmHe's writing about class war. There's been one simmering for decades, and his side has been winning. He's afraid that's going to reverse. If the billionaire class sics its army on a revolting underclass, with whom will the soldiers fight? What class of people comprise the army? He's right to be worried.Jaymann wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:02 pmAgain I ask, who would be the two sides in a civil war? If it's deplorables vs the US Army, it's over before it starts. If it is fighting in the streets between deplorables and leftists, that's not civil war, that's civil unrest.Daehawk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:58 pm Fall of America: Founder Of Largest Hedge Fund Says Full-Blown Civil War, Revolution May Be Coming
I don't know either, as I generally try to steer clear of that sewage.
as mentioned before, with a crowd readily predisposed to believe whatever if it fits their worldview, it's fertile ground for an enterprising troublemaker to sow some weird creative-writing exercises and see which ones take root in the populist imagination.Skinypupy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:18 pmI don't know either, as I generally try to steer clear of that sewage.
I do peek in at the Parlertakes or Copingmaga twitter feeds now and then for the lulz, but really have no idea if posts like that are actually serious or some sort of internet performance art.
And.... two new blue line stars and stripes flags and one new Don't Tread on Me flag have appeared.LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:04 pm It only took until mid January and the government drawing the line at seditious riots for the last of the Trump/MAGA/Blue Line yard signs and flags to disappear from my normalized commutes to the grocer/work. All that remains is one We Support Our Police yard sign that replaced a Trump yard sign.
One of my two immediate neighbors who were flying police flags has taken his down. IDK why or when; I just noticed today.LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:23 pmAnd.... two new blue line stars and stripes flags and one new Don't Tread on Me flag have appeared.LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:04 pm It only took until mid January and the government drawing the line at seditious riots for the last of the Trump/MAGA/Blue Line yard signs and flags to disappear from my normalized commutes to the grocer/work. All that remains is one We Support Our Police yard sign that replaced a Trump yard sign.
The Gadsden flag (black snake on yellow, "Don't Tread on Me") should really be consigned to the rubbish with the Confederate battle flag. It has long been claimed by right-wing militias, and the Proud Boys take their colors from it.LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:23 pmAnd.... two new blue line stars and stripes flags and one new Don't Tread on Me flag have appeared.LordMortis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:04 pm It only took until mid January and the government drawing the line at seditious riots for the last of the Trump/MAGA/Blue Line yard signs and flags to disappear from my normalized commutes to the grocer/work. All that remains is one We Support Our Police yard sign that replaced a Trump yard sign.
Finally Herschmann had enough. "Why the fuck do you keep standing up and screaming at me?" he shot back at Flynn. "If you want to come over here, come over here. If not, sit your ass down." Flynn sat back down.
Byrne, wearing jeans, a hoodie and a neck gaiter, piped up with his own conspiracy: "I know how this works. I bribed Hillary Clinton $18 million on behalf of the FBI for a sting operation."
Herschmann stared at the eccentric millionaire. "What the hell are you talking about? Why would you say something like that?" Byrne brought up the bizarre Clinton bribery claim several more times during the meeting to the astonishment of White House lawyers.
Trump, for his part, also seemed perplexed by Byrne. But he was not entirely convinced the ideas Powell was presenting were insane.
The arguments became so heated that even Giuliani — still on the phone — at one point told everyone to calm down. One participant later recalled: "When Rudy's the voice of reason, you know the meeting's not going well."
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I just finished reading the articles on Axios - do the podcasts go into more depth?Holman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:32 am Jonathan Swan's podcast series "How It Happened: Trump's Last Stand" (also from Axios) offers a very well-reported narrative of Trump's fight to overturn the election. Swan's reporting was done on background (so he can't name sources), but it's clear that he has talked to many people who were in the room for Trump's weirdest meetings and phone calls.
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Each podcast episode is twenty minutes long and well produced (with blended-in media clips, etc), but the articles probably give you the gist.stessier wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:42 pmI just finished reading the articles on Axios - do the podcasts go into more depth?Holman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:32 am Jonathan Swan's podcast series "How It Happened: Trump's Last Stand" (also from Axios) offers a very well-reported narrative of Trump's fight to overturn the election. Swan's reporting was done on background (so he can't name sources), but it's clear that he has talked to many people who were in the room for Trump's weirdest meetings and phone calls.
About this series: The reporting in this series is based on multiple interviews with current and former White House, campaign, government and congressional officials as well as direct eyewitnesses and people close to President Trump. Sources have been granted anonymity to share sensitive observations or details they would not be formally authorized to disclose. President Trump and other officials to whom quotes and actions have been attributed by others were provided the opportunity to confirm, deny or respond to reporting elements prior to publication.
Of course he does, he probably was the guy feeding out the story. IMO we have to factor in the sordid backstory since it fuels the need for propaganda campaigns to rehabilitate their image. I'm sure this is reasonably close still but the bit about Flynn trying to intimidate him and then standing back when challenged reads a bit like fanfiction.Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:16 pm I don’t know who this Herschmann is, but he’s a national fucking hero as far as I’m concerned (no idea what his potentially sordid role was in the admin, but I’m specifically referring to his standing up to the madness of King Don and his minions. Aka the Joker and his Arkham enablers. )