Not really. At least Trubinsky was a threat to run, since they decided to go all-in with Foles, what we have is predictably bleak.
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In all the time I've been watching football, going back to the '70s, the argument against lumping teams into two conferences with no divisions has been the loss of traditional rivalries. Green Bay vs Chicago for instance wouldn't mean anything more than Green Bay vs whoever if there were no divisions. To keep things fair, with no divisions teams would need to cycle through who they play year to year, so no real rivalry could form without divisions.
This is one of those situations where we can't have everything. We can't have teams fighting to win their divisions and also playing their traditional rivals every year and also have the teams with the best win/loss records make the playoffs and also have the teams with the best win/loss records get to host their playoff games. I wouldn't mind losing the rivalries, that kind of thing always felt fake to me anyways since teams move and change. The Browns aren't THE Browns since the team left Cleveland. The Rams and Raiders have been all over the place. But I understand there are people who are hardcore into those rivalries so I can live with it as is.
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No, keep the divisions during the regular season. But if your rival doesn't make it into the post season, then what? Or if you would only meet in the conference championship, how often is that going to happen?
I personally don't see rivalry as a reason not to go with the best x teams. They may contemplate a change if the one of the divisions continually suck like the near entire Eastern conference did for the NBA a few years back. If people have to pay a premium to see a playoff game, they should at least see a decent team. Charging top dollar for two 7-9 teams to play each other is near theft.
I personally don't see rivalry as a reason not to go with the best x teams. They may contemplate a change if the one of the divisions continually suck like the near entire Eastern conference did for the NBA a few years back. If people have to pay a premium to see a playoff game, they should at least see a decent team. Charging top dollar for two 7-9 teams to play each other is near theft.
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I'm not sure that means much anymore. Players are much more mercenary than in years past, and while fans might try to pretend animosity truly exists, for the most part it doesn't really exist among players. Certainly there is little awareness of history among the players, and while they may play lip service to certain conventions, knowing they could well be on the rival team come next season tempers their action.gameoverman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:33 pm
In all the time I've been watching football, going back to the '70s, the argument against lumping teams into two conferences with no divisions has been the loss of traditional rivalries. Green Bay vs Chicago for instance wouldn't mean anything more than Green Bay vs whoever if there were no divisions. To keep things fair, with no divisions teams would need to cycle through who they play year to year, so no real rivalry could form without divisions.
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That doesn't stop hockey players. It shouldn't stop NFLers.Jeff V wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:51 amI'm not sure that means much anymore. Players are much more mercenary than in years past, and while fans might try to pretend animosity truly exists, for the most part it doesn't really exist among players. Certainly there is little awareness of history among the players, and while they may play lip service to certain conventions, knowing they could well be on the rival team come next season tempers their action.gameoverman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:33 pm
In all the time I've been watching football, going back to the '70s, the argument against lumping teams into two conferences with no divisions has been the loss of traditional rivalries. Green Bay vs Chicago for instance wouldn't mean anything more than Green Bay vs whoever if there were no divisions. To keep things fair, with no divisions teams would need to cycle through who they play year to year, so no real rivalry could form without divisions.
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I have never witnessed a bears fan scoring a touchdown
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Hockey kind of proves my point. If players were so caught up in contrived team rivalries, there would have been no way Bob Probert would have ever gone to the Blackhawks after leaving Detroit. I really think the folks most put out by such a thing would be the goofs that get into parking lot fights with other goofs wearing opposing team colors after the game.
I suppose if teams could agree on what constitutes "historic rivalry" schedules could still accommodate such, divisions aren't required. I doubt that could be agreed upon though, teams like the Cowboys, Steelers and Patriots all have multiple rivals who consider them their prime adversary (from a fans perspective).
Another option would retain current division structure for scheduling only -- divisions would not exist in terms of standings. Of course, that could lead to some degree of unfairness should one division finish the year with all top teams while another (NFC East) is all bottom feeders.
I suppose if teams could agree on what constitutes "historic rivalry" schedules could still accommodate such, divisions aren't required. I doubt that could be agreed upon though, teams like the Cowboys, Steelers and Patriots all have multiple rivals who consider them their prime adversary (from a fans perspective).
Another option would retain current division structure for scheduling only -- divisions would not exist in terms of standings. Of course, that could lead to some degree of unfairness should one division finish the year with all top teams while another (NFC East) is all bottom feeders.
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I dunno, I remember when a player went from the Diamondbacks dugout to the Dodger dugout during a game because he'd been trading during the game. i think rivalries are way overrated and I don't think that players care. Are there any stats out there that say players play better playing a rival? And even then could home field advantage cause some of that?
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Rivalries are for the fans, particularly in the age of free agency. I definitely get more excited to see the Bears play Green Bay, Minnesota, or Detroit than the Rams or Tampa Bay.
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This Dallas/Philly game might be the worst NFL game I’ve ever watched.
Holy hell, these teams are bad.
Holy hell, these teams are bad.
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people been talking smack about the seahawks defense. worst in the league they say. and then they turned in a pretty good showing against 49ers,
But wait! they only turned in a good showing against an injured QB. Goroppolo left the game, and suddenly the hawks give up TD on the next three drives against Mullens. If they had started Mullens instead of trying to force some yards out of an injured Garopollo, it would have been a whole different game.
I know I'm a fan, but right now it doesn't seem like the seahawks defense could stop a fish from walking, much less stop a reasonably proficient QB from putting together a scoring drive.
But wait! they only turned in a good showing against an injured QB. Goroppolo left the game, and suddenly the hawks give up TD on the next three drives against Mullens. If they had started Mullens instead of trying to force some yards out of an injured Garopollo, it would have been a whole different game.
I know I'm a fan, but right now it doesn't seem like the seahawks defense could stop a fish from walking, much less stop a reasonably proficient QB from putting together a scoring drive.
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So they're fine against the Bears is what you're saying.Jaymon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:43 am people been talking smack about the seahawks defense. worst in the league they say. and then they turned in a pretty good showing against 49ers,
But wait! they only turned in a good showing against an injured QB. Goroppolo left the game, and suddenly the hawks give up TD on the next three drives against Mullens. If they had started Mullens instead of trying to force some yards out of an injured Garopollo, it would have been a whole different game.
I know I'm a fan, but right now it doesn't seem like the seahawks defense could stop a fish from walking, much less stop a reasonably proficient QB from putting together a scoring drive.
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ImLawBoy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:53 amSo they're fine against the Bears is what you're saying.Jaymon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:43 am people been talking smack about the seahawks defense. worst in the league they say. and then they turned in a pretty good showing against 49ers,
But wait! they only turned in a good showing against an injured QB. Goroppolo left the game, and suddenly the hawks give up TD on the next three drives against Mullens. If they had started Mullens instead of trying to force some yards out of an injured Garopollo, it would have been a whole different game.
I know I'm a fan, but right now it doesn't seem like the seahawks defense could stop a fish from walking, much less stop a reasonably proficient QB from putting together a scoring drive.
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I've seen a few articles in the last couple of weeks talking about how the Patriots are struggling and why things are going wrong. It makes me laugh. They lost Tom Brady, and he was really the only superstar level of player they had, on offense at least. They are in rebuilding mode. How do you lose a guy like Brady and everyone expects you to just continue on with someone else without it taking you awhile to put together a new team? I think any games they win are unexpected wins. Nothing against Newton either, it's just that he was out a long time with injuries. So he himself is in a position where he has to prove he can still deliver before anyone should pin their hopes and dreams on him.
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Plus they lost a TON of people, especially on defense, due in large part to COVID opt outs. And the Newton COVID diagnosis appears to have messed things up a bit too.gameoverman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:38 pm I've seen a few articles in the last couple of weeks talking about how the Patriots are struggling and why things are going wrong. It makes me laugh. They lost Tom Brady, and he was really the only superstar level of player they had, on offense at least. They are in rebuilding mode. How do you lose a guy like Brady and everyone expects you to just continue on with someone else without it taking you awhile to put together a new team? I think any games they win are unexpected wins. Nothing against Newton either, it's just that he was out a long time with injuries. So he himself is in a position where he has to prove he can still deliver before anyone should pin their hopes and dreams on him.
It's also true that the Patriots apparently cannot draft wide receivers to save their lives.
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Not mathematically, but:
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Philip Rivers will likely pass Dan Marino for total passing yards today to move up to #5 all time. If Marino is in the HoF, Rivers should get in.
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You folks have convinced me that Rivers should be there; also note he no longer plays in the Raiders division so I don't care nearly as much
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It's almost as if people are the problem.
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That Raider game was ridiculous but at least they won. Maybe next time our moron coach will just go into the half instead of calling a play that resulted in a Charger field goal.
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Brady is getting spanked! Can't wait until Arians complains that he is not focused.
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I think that’s the worst football game I’ve ever watched.
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His signature play to get in the HoF is that attempted tackle. I think it's the most hilarious play in sports this year. That should count for something.
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LOL, Cowherd is suggesting Belichick should go to the Chargers to win with Justin Herbert.
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Poor Bills. Perhaps they should have put in Stefan Diggs on defense the last play...
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Poor Alex Smith. Ties it up with 16 seconds left only to lose to the Lions(!) on a 59 yard field goal.
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The Vikings and 49ers have better records that the team leading the NFC East.
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Hey, the Patriots beat the Ravens. I was not expecting that.
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A mistake. They are moving into no-man's land where they will be too high for a top draft pick, but too low to make the playoffs (PLAYOFFS!?!).
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I'm sure Texan fans loved seeing that last play...
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We had to watch the Cleveland game. We're already numb.
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Oh sweet chaos. Philly loses again, but still leads the NFC East at 3-6-1.
Meanwhile the Saints TCB without Brees. They have beat the Bucs twice so #NoBye4Brady.
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I am starting to suspect that the Patriots may not make the playoffs this year.
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It’s not looking great for them, no. 3.5 back in the division with 6 to play, that’s a tall order on that front. And if the Raiders can win tonight, they are 3 back for a wild card. That’s tough sledding.El Guapo wrote:I am starting to suspect that the Patriots may not make the playoffs this year.
I appreciate the Dolphins coming back to earth this week, getting the Bills a little breathing room. Hopefully we don’t botch it against the Chargers.
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