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Rumpy wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:31 pm And yet, the recommendation with these boards are to have 1000-1200 Watt PSUs. It's pure insanity. With this move, Nvidia proves that it doesn't care about the average consumer. And I can't even imagine the stink the State of California is making given they made a stink over gaming PC power usage awhile back.
I think that was probably also because of the original 600W target.

The actual recommendation from NVidia are:

850W power supply for RTX 4090. 750W power supply for RTX 4080 16GB. 700W power supply for RTX 4080 12GB.

BTW RTX 4090 450W power consumption and 850W power supply recommendation is the same as RTX 3090 Ti's.

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I'd still want to have one rated a little higher to allow more room for all the wattage going on in the entire PC.
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Ive had a 850w psu for a decade now. I think my next one should be a 1200w.
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Rumpy wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 7:03 pm I'd still want to have one rated a little higher to allow more room for all the wattage going on in the entire PC.
Or PSU degradation like I had to deal with back in the day.
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Yeah, that too. I think there should always be more than what you need in case of a power spike. You never want it to be too close to the limit of what the card can draw. You want to leave enough for the rest of the system.
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Rumpy wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 3:25 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 1:56 pm Those cards seem to be designed designed the 3%er gamers who can afford to build (or buy) top end PCs from scratch just for the card. Normal people are going to be blown right out of that market. I don't know what they're hoping to achieve. :?
Yep, exactly. I really don't know what they're trying to achieve. Guess they're trying to send a message that the average consumer isn't their market anymore. I mean, I'd just like to be able to keep up and have something that isn't outdated. Don't need the bleeding edge, just something comfortably capable, which sounds like the average consumer to me.
Sooooo.... buy a 3000 series card? Neither bleeding edge nor outdated. And if you stay in the middle of that series' range, it won't require its own power grid.
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Yeah, ideally. That might be the way I go. Although I'll have to upgrade my power supply. I forget what I have in here now. But it definitely won't be enough to support one of the newer cards.
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AMD Radeon prices are starting to approach 'decent':

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/ ... A%22GPU%22
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Yeah, I’m seriously considering a 6650xt now. I’m all over the place!
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I actually value noise over most other aspects, so would be willing to take a perf hit for that if necessary.
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preeeettty good price, but... open-box at (neo)newegg makes this a 'no'. https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx ... 814930052R
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Nvidia must think they're something special. Word is, they've gone ahead and cancelled their cheaper 12GB model, leaving the more expensive ones. :roll:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/ne ... -unlaunch/
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Ya something about that wasn't a 4080 more a 4070 or 4060 ti.
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Rumpy wrote: Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:00 pm Nvidia must think they're something special. Word is, they've gone ahead and cancelled their cheaper 12GB model, leaving the more expensive ones. :roll:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/ne ... -unlaunch/
more than that - the bigger problem was this was, spec-wise, more in line with what a theoretical 4070 would be, but nGreedia decided to 'upbrand' it for a higher profit margin! they took a lot of criticism for this move and recanted.
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Yeah, makes me wonder if they intend to rebrand it back to a 4070 it should have been in the first place. Doesn't make it any less a dick move, which they seem to be excelling at lately.
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Everything I've seen, every story, every decision points to the idea that Nvidia really, really liked the profits they were getting from crypto, and they're looking for ways to maintain that level of profit rather than going back to pre-crypto levels.

They've handled it so roughly that I wouldn't be surprised to see them drop below that level for this generation.
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And I can't say I blame them, exactly, but their behavior has felt so anti-consumer as of late, so smugly confident. They remind me of some the behavior of some overly confident companies that were once at the top that in the past have made grave mistakes and suffered setbacks as a result.
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Rumpy wrote: Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:33 am And I can't say I blame them, exactly, but their behavior has felt so anti-consumer as of late, so smugly confident. They remind me of some the behavior of some overly confident companies that were once at the top that in the past have made grave mistakes and suffered setbacks as a result.
I'm definitely hoping that the AMD launch in a few weeks shows that their cards are competitive. It would be nice to see them be able to take advantage of Nvidia's stumbles and have some solid competition.
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Yeah, not only AMD, but Intel. Intel has some great cards with driver problems. If they can iron those out, they'll be great competitors. At this point, Nvidia feels like they're coasting on past successess. This is an industry that needs market disruption right now.
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As I’ve gotten pretty deep into research, the common thread is that Nvidia’s prices are absurd, but if you are even thinking about DLSS (and you should be apparently) and/or raytracing, it’s hard to consider AMD options considering the performance gaps.

I was super close to pulling the trigger on an AMD card but while I’m very interested in RT, there aren’t a whole lot of titles that support it. DLSS OTOH, is prevalent and becoming moreso.
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I'll say that DLSS is great and is way more common. It helps a lot if you plan to go 4K. Otherwise, it's not as impactful and you can scale back the GPU. I think we'll see a lot more raytracing when next-gen engines become more mainstream.
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That will likely start with Unreal Engine 5. Unreal Engine is just about as mainstream as you can get.
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we're getting there:

ASUS Radeon RX 6800 XT TUF GAMING 16 GB @B&H photo - $529.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... on_rx.html

Gigabyte Radeon OC RX 6800 XT 16gb Graphics Card $520 AC @ Newegg

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon- ... 6814932381
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Yeah, finally the thread title is starting to come true. Not sure what the first best year was, though? :think:

Every month the drops are getting better.

At this rate, I guess I will hold out for a 3060ti unless I see a deal I can't refuse for a 3060.

I really want a QUIET...version though (and willing to accept a performance hit as a result). With people just happy to be able to get cards now, it's not as easy to suss out noise levels like it was in the before times.
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hitbyambulance wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:49 am researching current gen cards, i was thinking if there weren't an imminent new round of cards arriving in a couple of months, the Radeon 6700 XT under $500 would be around the performance/price point i'm looking for. finding one of those used for a much lower price would be extremely tempting... but i can wait.
aaand

https://slickdeals.net/f/16128769-msi-r ... -at-newegg

but i've moved my goalposts - i now want to go for the Radeon 6800 XT.

going to be out of the country and likely away from internet access for the next tend days, so i may miss the AMD Nov 3 announcement (and any deals in the meantime).
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hitbyambulance wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:00 am
hitbyambulance wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:49 am researching current gen cards, i was thinking if there weren't an imminent new round of cards arriving in a couple of months, the Radeon 6700 XT under $500 would be around the performance/price point i'm looking for. finding one of those used for a much lower price would be extremely tempting... but i can wait.
aaand

https://slickdeals.net/f/16128769-msi-r ... -at-newegg

but i've moved my goalposts - i now want to go for the Radeon 6800 XT.

going to be out of the country and likely away from internet access for the next tend days, so i may miss the AMD Nov 3 announcement (and any deals in the meantime).
Ha, this happened to me as well. I was all ready to settle for a 1660 Super, but not now baby! :D Daddy wants DLSS!
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I finally switched over to the AMD CPU bandwagon but I can't even imagine buying anything but an nVidia card now. DLSS is too big an improvement and it's way more available than FSR. I have a launch 3080 and due to DLSS I have no plans to consider a 4xxx series at all right now. I've been watching but the recent jump to a Ryzen 7700X/DDR5 unlocked a ton of performance holding the 3080 back all by itself. I imagine a 4060 or whatever it ends up being will be enough for most people for quite awhile once available.
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malchior wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:44 pm I finally switched over to the AMD CPU bandwagon but I can't even imagine buying anything but an nVidia card now. DLSS is too big an improvement and it's way more available than FSR. I have a launch 3080 and due to DLSS I have no plans to consider a 4xxx series at all right now. I've been watching but the recent jump to a Ryzen 7700X/DDR5 unlocked a ton of performance holding the 3080 back all by itself. I imagine a 4060 or whatever it ends up being will be enough for most people for quite awhile once available.
I will likely not ever be going the 4 series route, just due to the increased power and size (although they wouldn't be in my sights anyway since I play mostly older games). Those things are obscenely large.
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I'm not making a decision until the AMD RDNA 3 card announcement happens. I want something that can drive a 5120x1440 screen, so it's a decision between the new AMD cards and a 4xxx series. People seem to think that the new AMD cards may be a serious step forward, and I'd love to give NVidia some real competition for once.
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Dang. I was all set to just buy a card, and I see this deal will be live at Costco in the not distant future. Thoughts? Looks REALLY nicely priced considering the case is good, has good airflow, and it's not garbage parts like HP and Dell are apparently uising in their pre-builts these days (MSI mobo B660 I think).

The only unknown (and it's something important to me) is noise (or lack thereof).

I REALLY wish they made a version for non-12 year oldss who don't need or want the neon state fair lights (even if it WASN'T going to be under my desk, sight unseen). I'm sure there is some cost related to that. Hell, make one ugly as sin for all I care, because NO ONE sees mine (including me), and in fact I go out of my way to kind of hide it (probably as a result of years of having putty colored metal beasts as the only option).

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AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT announced:

https://www.techspot.com/news/96554-amd ... nched.html
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hitbyambulance wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:38 pm AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT announced:

https://www.techspot.com/news/96554-amd ... nched.html
Interesting. So much focus on RT in the article (and even more in the comments), but the real difference maker in significantly more games is DLSS performance (compared to a similarly priced Nvidia GPU). Irrelevant for me anyway, as I always buy quite a bit below the top tier levels of a GPU series.

I definitely like their power efficiency for the performance though...I never want to have anything more than 800W PSU in my computer (at most!) Nvidia doesn't seem to care about that at all (and I think a lot of gamers DO).
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:22 pm
I definitely like their power efficiency for the performance though...I never want to have anything more than 800W PSU in my computer (at most!) Nvidia doesn't seem to care about that at all (and I think a lot of gamers DO).
I'll admit it's not terribly important to me. Noise and power consumption is secondary to performance for me.
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gbasden wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:11 am
Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:22 pm
I definitely like their power efficiency for the performance though...I never want to have anything more than 800W PSU in my computer (at most!) Nvidia doesn't seem to care about that at all (and I think a lot of gamers DO).
I'll admit it's not terribly important to me. Noise and power consumption is secondary to performance for me.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious just by the reading and research I am doing lately that noise is a VERY distant consideration for most gamers these days. You'll generally see a few comments if a board sounds like a freight train under load, but for the most part...price, then performance, then probably efficiency and somewhere way down there is noise level. Brand might be higher than noise, not sure (the couple of years of dearth really put a hit on that particular parameter though, so people are more inclined to just get something "in stock"))
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i am considering this one. well, *would* consider if it wasn't newegg

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx ... 6814930049

ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT (16GB) with Dead Island 2 and The Callisto protocol for $515 after $20 rebate
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Nice little video on the history of Radeon graphics cards. Back in the old days the video memory on these cards doubled every couple years.

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hitbyambulance wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:06 pm i am considering this one. well, *would* consider if it wasn't newegg

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx ... 6814930049

ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT (16GB) with Dead Island 2 and The Callisto protocol for $515 after $20 rebate
Is this the reason you won't do Newegg?

https://www.octopusoverlords.com/forum/ ... g#p2825425

Seems like it was more of a Marketplace vendor than a Newegg issue - that specific link (out of stock now) does state sold (and shipped) by Newegg...
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Is this the reason you won't do Newegg?
This would be my guess.

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That policy was reversed as soon as the press got ahold of it. But Newegg has been a shady mess for years. It used to be the go-to for parts, but then they added the marketplace and it became ebay/Amazon with all of the troubles associated with that. Then about six years ago it was bought out and it spiraled even more - a months-long open hack siphoning off credit card info, counterfeit products, lawsuits for illegal labor practices, shady reviews, consumer-hostile policies (that they only change once it becomes a news item.) And that's just the beginning.

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Ive used Newegg since the 90s. I did use Mwave and someone else I cant think of of hand plus Newegg. I dont recall any problems but its been years since I used them. When it comes time for me to build a full new system Im not sure who to use. I wish I could use Micro Center as they seem to rock but they dont ship. Its all store visits. Wont have to worry for a few years anyways unless something changes.

I agree about HATING and LOATHING places that have a marketplace in them. Newegg, Walmart, Amazon. I cannot stand it because it fucks up pricing and easy to find stuff and introduces bad elements into a setting. If I want a marketplace I can go to ebay and such.
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