I hear you. (Although your 'we almost never do X, but our car must absolutely do X!' sounds quite American to me.GreenGoo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:45 pm Change. I can't emphasize this enough. Those aren't the reasons she gives, but it's the source. Ok, hang on a second, let me ask her directly. I'll come back with the answers I receive as given. Actually, let me save that for a new post. But to be clear, my wife is not making decisions based on the mechanics of it. All cars are a black box to her. Or near enough. You would think this would be an argument for change because she won't understand what's under the hood anyway, but no.
Yes, range is a factor, and quite frankly I agree it's a concern (not a roadblock, necessarily). While it's true that we almost never drive for long periods of time, we CAN if we want to. And we have, on occasion. Having to worry about a shorter range and making it to a charger is a real problem, especially in Canada where population density is less and infrastructure isn't in place yet.
). I still don't exactly follow, because practically it's going to be the same to her, only more fun in a BEV. The mechanics are the same from the driver's perspective. It's not like you need to learn stick to drive a BEV.I understand the aversion to the brand if that's where you're coming from. The size, less so. Cargo volume is higher in the Y, slightly, than the Sorento PHEV. First/second row headroom/legroom also higher. Shoulder room the Sorento wins. But the point that confused me is that these cars are exactly the same class, and the Sorento isn't bigger by the measures that typically matter most. I am totally with you that the 3rd row in the Y is a joke and shouldn't be purchased unless you have very specific reasons. The Y is also spot-on equal with the Sorento on price (at least in the US) and will be cheaper to own in the long run.I'm trying to stay away from Tesla. So I haven't really looked at them. I realize they are almost in a league by themselves, but everyone else isn't so far behind as for it to be a problem for me. Chances are, yes, it's going to be too small, because ALL EV's are too small, on average. This isn't the EV's fault, this is part of making EV's viable. I will take a look at the Y. Just took a quick look. That is the smallest looking mid-sized SUV I've ever seen. Of course this is visual impression, but I haven't looked at the numbers, and somehow they've managed to wedge a 3rd row in there, which seems almost impossible when looking at the exterior. I will look closer soon, but I am resistant, because Tesla.
The emissions costs from adding the battery and motors are not insignificant, nor is the added weight for the life of the car, and then disposal/recycling. On a BEV these are offset by the fact that for 100% of its life, it will be emitting far less than ICE. On a PHEV, that is not guaranteed, and unless you guarantee it, it's unlikely to come out ahead. Because most people, most of the time, don't plug em in.I still don't understand how driving a PHEV for 5 years on mostly electric then ICE til end of life is worse than just ICE, and I don't think you're going to be able to convince me. Yes, I understand that driving a PHEV as ICE only is a problem, but we got 4-5 years of cleanish driving first.
Now I'm following a bit better. I thought you did have a garage and were planning to put a charger in. It's absolutely true that on a regular outlet, you'll be able to fully fill the PHEV overnight but you would not fully fill a BEV. That said, on your mileage, a regular outlet would likely suffice, either way, so long as you can plug it in most nights.We don't have a garage or a carport, but we do have an regular outlet on that side of the exterior. With a PHEV I don't have to get any electrical work done. It's certainly not a primary consideration, but it's a small perk. If you're saying that regular weather prevents any charging or risks damage, then yeah, I guess I'm out of the EV market after all. My earliest research showed that it wasn't ideal but not a roadblock. Hah. With the price of real estate, requiring a separate house for your car before you can buy an EV prices a LOT of people out of the market. I realize that's not what you're saying. Or at least I hope not.
Of course regular weather isn't a concern as far as being able to charge, although on a regular outlet you will charge more slowly since the power level going in is low.
Size, price, and availability aren't concerns in the specific comparison you're making (since at least the Y is similar in size and price, and is available). Which is why I was getting confused. But in the broader market, and if you specifically are wanting to avoid Tesla, then I see where you're coming from. I hadn't grokked the avoid-Tesla bias going on until your last post.
Fully agreed, other than Volvo. They are faaarrrr ahead of the other brands you listed in this department.BMW, Toyota, Audi, Honda, Volvo etc etc. Yes they all have offerings, mostly, but many are just dipping their toe in right now, so they can point and say "see? We offer EV's too!".
They mostly do.it helps that PHEVs qualify for government grants up here (I think I saw that they don't in the US?).
You might consider the Mustang Mach-e, as well, if you want to avoid the Y. One of our resident owners can chime in, but I believe it's pretty comparable to the Y in size, and at least in the States it's probably the closest to Tesla availability.In any case, I'll look at the Y more closely and other mid-sized too. I'm not even remotely close to a decision yet, but I am closer than when I first posted in this thread. Let me ask those questions to my wife...
Thanks for humoring me--I certainly understand your position better now!
Yeah. 
