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Fiber worth it considering wifi?

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Horribly worded subject, sorry.

The premise: We finally got access to fiber on my street, and the offers look pretty good compared to the cable-based internet I am getting right now from Spectrum.

My question is if most (almost all) our in-house internet usage goes through wi-fi, would we even notice a speed difference? I assume the bottleneck would be the router (and of course the device I guess), no? I'm probably going to get it anyway since it seems like a pretty good deal, especially for the middle speed tier (three are offered, from 1,000Mbps to 300):

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$55/month including equipment fee (but NOT including taxes) I should note that I am SOOOO sick of this used car salesly BS by such a big company. HUGE ass numbers: $45 A MONTH FOR 500Mbps!!!!! and then in tiny letters somewhere way below, they say (not including a required $10/month equipment fee, taxes, etc etc). I am sure it works, but man it makes AT&T look like total low level marketing hucksters to me, personally.

Currently getting 400Mbps via Spectrum for $54 a month.

One huge, non-speed advantage for us in particular is that we have had squirrels chew on the cable from our closest pole, that goes to the house over the years (in TWO diferent houses!). Even after they buried the cable, it was still a problem (at the pole). In the past say 15 years, it's caused probably months worths of problems including dropouts, much lower speeds than we should have gotten, etc.

Anyone have experience to share? I hate the pain of switching anything related to cable or mobile companies, since they force you to do everything by phone (except upgrades, apparently their online systems CAN handle that!!)
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AT&T vs Spectrum? seems like a toss-up in terms of 'evilness'. go with the lower price.

also, familiarize yourself with the various wifi technologies if you haven't already:
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FWIW, my neighborhood got AT&T fiber about 2 years ago. We are also served by Spectrum cable. We stayed on cable while many neighbors switched to AT&T. AT&T has faster speeds but has not been stable - 1-2x per months we would hear of some type of outages (not sure how long). Spectrum has been rock solid. Just one anecdote.

I have thought about switching as I could get 1 Gig down for ~$75 after taxes and fees from AT&T. I'm currently paying $74.99 for 200 MB down all in from Spectrum and they want an extra $20/month to go to 400. 200 has been plenty sufficient, though, and we have been happy with the service, so we've stayed put.

Edit: Actually, now that I'm looking more into it, maybe I should switch. We get a $200 gift card + HBO Max (not that we watch it much, but my wife was thinking of subscribing for a few months). There is a $20 discount on the service for the first 12 months so in 13 months I'll be paying $90 for a Gig. And just waiting to complete my order prompted a pop up that offered an additional $100 gift card if I'd just complete the order right now. Interesting.
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Im on Spectrums 400/20 plan but get 463/23.5 or there bouts . I also have a deal and a COVID thing. So Ive been paying $25 but it bumped up a couple months ago to $29.99

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stessier wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 4:46 pm FWIW, my neighborhood got AT&T fiber about 2 years ago. We are also served by Spectrum cable. We stayed on cable while many neighbors switched to AT&T. AT&T has faster speeds but has not been stable - 1-2x per months we would hear of some type of outages (not sure how long). Spectrum has been rock solid. Just one anecdote.
A very different anecdote. I've had AT&T Fiber in my current house for 13 years (well it will be around March) and have had issues probably 6-8 times and two of those were when lightning hit our house and they came and replaced everything with newer models for free.

My gaming PCs are hard wired and I see download speeds that make me smile. Gigabit is worth it just for that. The wifi from their router was pathetic, which is why I haven't used it in many years.
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My anecdote is better - we're both in SC. :P
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I am not sure what internet I had when I was in SC. I must have had some form of Dial-up maybe? In my defense it was 1997-1998.
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I have had AT&T Gigabit for 2.5 years in my current house. I also had it for a while in my previous house. Didn't really have an issue with it then, but then a local company was available for less money which was a no brainer change for me.

Since moving it's AT&T or Spectrum as my only options. I will always pick anything vs Spectrum or Comcast.

AT&T has been rock solid for me here over the past 2.5 years. Granted, after my first year it now costs $100/month. But, it's worth it for me due to its reliability - particularly now that I am 100% work from home. I also get HBO Max for free, but that isn't something I would have subbed to all year.

As for WiFi, I get about 400-550 Mb/s down which is better than I had before. Note, that I am using my own (2) routers in an Asus AI Mesh. But my mesh router has a direct wired connection to the base router. My routers are AC1900 so definitely not cutting edge. I have no idea if updating the routers would increase the speed over wifi or not. My lone wired PC (my Plex server / retired gaming PC) usually records speeds at 700-900 Mb/s down.
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Doesn't AT&T cap you? Give you a fat pipe but a tiny spigot.
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Daehawk wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:09 pm Doesn't AT&T cap you? Give you a fat pipe but a tiny spigot.
For us gigabit is the only plan that doesn't have a data cap, which is a big reason why I have it.
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this thread title still cracks me up
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Daehawk wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:09 pm Doesn't AT&T cap you? Give you a fat pipe but a tiny spigot.
In our area, none of the fiber plans have a cap. Next year, Charter's prohibition on data caps expires.
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Yeah, I read in the little research I did that there was no cap, so that's a big bonus (I don't have one that I know of with Spectrum either, so that's not really a point in the pro column).

I guess one small concern is that they JUST finished putting the lines in around here like...today (in my front yard - massive holes and big slabs of concrete :evil:)

Just wonder if it will be rock solid like Spectrum has been SINCE they replaced the squirrel chewed cable the most recent time. I can't help but wonder that considering the scope of the installation, there will be some hiccups.
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stessier wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 4:46 pm FWIW, my neighborhood got AT&T fiber about 2 years ago. We are also served by Spectrum cable. We stayed on cable while many neighbors switched to AT&T. AT&T has faster speeds but has not been stable - 1-2x per months we would hear of some type of outages (not sure how long). Spectrum has been rock solid. Just one anecdote.

I have thought about switching as I could get 1 Gig down for ~$75 after taxes and fees from AT&T. I'm currently paying $74.99 for 200 MB down all in from Spectrum and they want an extra $20/month to go to 400. 200 has been plenty sufficient, though, and we have been happy with the service, so we've stayed put.

Edit: Actually, now that I'm looking more into it, maybe I should switch. We get a $200 gift card + HBO Max (not that we watch it much, but my wife was thinking of subscribing for a few months). There is a $20 discount on the service for the first 12 months so in 13 months I'll be paying $90 for a Gig. And just waiting to complete my order prompted a pop up that offered an additional $100 gift card if I'd just complete the order right now. Interesting.
Oooh, good to know about the $100 extra gift card!

I actually tried signing up earlier but the chat wait was 72 minutes. I hit some kind of infinite loop where they recognized me being an existing mobile customer based on my address, then forced me to either
1) bundle with my mobile (which is what I want)
2) create a new separate account (GOD no, I have been through that hell with them and DirectTV, and it's STILL years later, not fully resolved. Was bungled HUGELY by them and cost me a $300 sign up gift card bonus.
3) can't remember what third option was

I tried all of them, and they all just rerouted me to the same page to log in...but no prompting to continue the fiber order process or anything. Freaking annoying.
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Daehawk wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:09 pm Doesn't AT&T cap you? Give you a fat pipe but a tiny spigot.
More like fat pipe small glass.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:39 pm Currently getting 400Mbps via Spectrum for $54 a month.
Geeze, Comcast/Xfinity charges me $90 for 300 down (and a piddly 10 up.) And an extra $25 if I don't want absurd data limits.
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Blackhawk wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 10:20 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:39 pm Currently getting 400Mbps via Spectrum for $54 a month.
Geeze, Comcast/Xfinity charges me $90 for 300 down (and a piddly 10 up.) And an extra $25 if I don't want absurd data limits.
We just switched to Comcast at gunpoint. We'll get 200 down for $30/mo for 24 months, after which it jumps to $95. I don't have any alternatives to Xfinity so they can charge whatever they want. My tentative strategy is to die in the 23rd month. Or maybe move, but that's a bigger hassle. I'd switch to FIOS if I could, just to get out from under Comcast's thumb.
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hitbyambulance wrote:this thread title still cracks me up
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Hah, I get NONE of those choices at my location. I can only get crappy bonded DSL (2 DSL lines), which is actually an UPGRADE from what I can get from AT&T (single line DSL). Speedtest says it is only doing 6.9 Mbps down and 1.35 Mbps up.

I keep checking Verizon but they still somehow don't have 5G Home available at my zipcode, which is downtown SF, for Pete's sake. They keep offering me LTE Home Internet, which is a magnitude different: just 25-50 Mbps down, and 4 Mbps up. But it may actually be faster than my bonded DSL

Though Verizon did promise that their new C-band 5G will be turned on Jan 19th. Maybe I'll get 5G home internet then, when my current yearly contract with Sonic runs out. C-band may not have "up to 1 Gbps" of the mm wave 5G, but it will provide "typical 90-170 Mbps down".

Being in old city has its problems. There's no cable at my location (Comcast Xfinity says it may be here in a few months, which was a few months ago), and definitely no fiber, despite only blocks from Financial District which would have a TON of fiber.
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interesting to note that since i switched to CenturyLink Fiber last year, i have received absolutely no advertisements from Comcast/Xfinity to switch back. it's kinda like they know they can't compete with the price and bitrate.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:31 pm
stessier wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 4:46 pm FWIW, my neighborhood got AT&T fiber about 2 years ago. We are also served by Spectrum cable. We stayed on cable while many neighbors switched to AT&T. AT&T has faster speeds but has not been stable - 1-2x per months we would hear of some type of outages (not sure how long). Spectrum has been rock solid. Just one anecdote.

I have thought about switching as I could get 1 Gig down for ~$75 after taxes and fees from AT&T. I'm currently paying $74.99 for 200 MB down all in from Spectrum and they want an extra $20/month to go to 400. 200 has been plenty sufficient, though, and we have been happy with the service, so we've stayed put.

Edit: Actually, now that I'm looking more into it, maybe I should switch. We get a $200 gift card + HBO Max (not that we watch it much, but my wife was thinking of subscribing for a few months). There is a $20 discount on the service for the first 12 months so in 13 months I'll be paying $90 for a Gig. And just waiting to complete my order prompted a pop up that offered an additional $100 gift card if I'd just complete the order right now. Interesting.
Oooh, good to know about the $100 extra gift card!

I actually tried signing up earlier but the chat wait was 72 minutes. I hit some kind of infinite loop where they recognized me being an existing mobile customer based on my address, then forced me to either
1) bundle with my mobile (which is what I want)
2) create a new separate account (GOD no, I have been through that hell with them and DirectTV, and it's STILL years later, not fully resolved. Was bungled HUGELY by them and cost me a $300 sign up gift card bonus.
3) can't remember what third option was

I tried all of them, and they all just rerouted me to the same page to log in...but no prompting to continue the fiber order process or anything. Freaking annoying.
Let me know if you take the plunge - I think I need more anecdotes before signing on.
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Definitely no data cap for me with the Gigabit plan from AT&T.
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stessier wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:16 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:31 pm
stessier wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 4:46 pm FWIW, my neighborhood got AT&T fiber about 2 years ago. We are also served by Spectrum cable. We stayed on cable while many neighbors switched to AT&T. AT&T has faster speeds but has not been stable - 1-2x per months we would hear of some type of outages (not sure how long). Spectrum has been rock solid. Just one anecdote.

I have thought about switching as I could get 1 Gig down for ~$75 after taxes and fees from AT&T. I'm currently paying $74.99 for 200 MB down all in from Spectrum and they want an extra $20/month to go to 400. 200 has been plenty sufficient, though, and we have been happy with the service, so we've stayed put.

Edit: Actually, now that I'm looking more into it, maybe I should switch. We get a $200 gift card + HBO Max (not that we watch it much, but my wife was thinking of subscribing for a few months). There is a $20 discount on the service for the first 12 months so in 13 months I'll be paying $90 for a Gig. And just waiting to complete my order prompted a pop up that offered an additional $100 gift card if I'd just complete the order right now. Interesting.
Oooh, good to know about the $100 extra gift card!

I actually tried signing up earlier but the chat wait was 72 minutes. I hit some kind of infinite loop where they recognized me being an existing mobile customer based on my address, then forced me to either
1) bundle with my mobile (which is what I want)
2) create a new separate account (GOD no, I have been through that hell with them and DirectTV, and it's STILL years later, not fully resolved. Was bungled HUGELY by them and cost me a $300 sign up gift card bonus.
3) can't remember what third option was

I tried all of them, and they all just rerouted me to the same page to log in...but no prompting to continue the fiber order process or anything. Freaking annoying.
Let me know if you take the plunge - I think I need more anecdotes before signing on.
Oh, I’m definitely doing it. Noticed also that a couple of cash back sites offer up to $75 when you sign up for AT&T fiber. That on top of the $200 ($300?!) gift card, and the fact that it’s cheaper than my current, slower Spectrum service…no brainer the more I research.
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Daehawk wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:23 pm Im on Spectrums 400/20 plan but get 463/23.5 or there bouts . I also have a deal and a COVID thing. So Ive been paying $25 but it bumped up a couple months ago to $29.99

I am NOT calling them.
Just a heads up - that $50 COVID subsidy goes away in March 2022. There is a new program that offers a $30 subsidy that should be coming online about the same time that is probably worth tracking.
Less than a year after Verizon and other ISPs forced users to switch plans in order to get government-funded discounts, a new federal program will prevent such upselling by requiring ISPs to let customers obtain subsidies on any Internet plan.

With last year's $50-per-month Emergency Broadband Benefit that was created by Congress, the Federal Communications Commission let ISPs participate in the program as long as they offered the discount on at least one service plan. The FCC said it did so to encourage participation by providers, but some major ISPs drastically limited the subsidy-eligible plans—forcing users to switch to plans that could be more expensive in order to get a temporary discount.

Congress subsequently created a replacement program that will offer $30 monthly subsidies to people with low incomes. The program also specified that ISPs "shall allow an eligible household to apply the affordable connectivity benefit to any Internet service offering of the participating provider at the same terms available to households that are not eligible households." The FCC still has to make rules for implementing the new Affordable Connectivity Program (ACP), but that requirement prevented the FCC from using the same one-plan rule that helped ISPs use the program as an upselling opportunity.
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