[Paramount+] Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
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The last episode was good, if a little over the top. But man, worth it all just for...
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I found this season to be disappointing, overall. It promised classic Star Trek episodes, but gave me mostly soap operas and gimmicks. Stop trying to shove your version of Kirk down my throat, and enough with the constant love triangles/doomed loves. I enjoyed Discovery’s last few seasons more than this.
I hope they get back on track next season.
I hope they get back on track next season.
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unsubscribehepcat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:55 pm I found this season to be disappointing, overall. It promised classic Star Trek episodes, but gave me mostly soap operas and gimmicks. Stop trying to shove your version of Kirk down my throat, and enough with the constant love triangles/doomed loves. I enjoyed Discovery’s last few seasons more than this.
I hope they get back on track next season.
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Late to the party as usual...I've just started watching this and I must say I am really enjoying pretty much everything about this show.
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You tried that during my Holiday Newsletter dedicated to my self published fan fiction featuring a slave boy named Hepcaticus and a Roman empress, BeaArthacis. Didn’t work then, bub.Montag wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:51 pmunsubscribehepcat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:55 pm I found this season to be disappointing, overall. It promised classic Star Trek episodes, but gave me mostly soap operas and gimmicks. Stop trying to shove your version of Kirk down my throat, and enough with the constant love triangles/doomed loves. I enjoyed Discovery’s last few seasons more than this.
I hope they get back on track next season.
To be fair, I may be overly harsh. But only because I (mostly) love the casting, the attention to historical detail for old time fans, and the lack of any convoluted story arc to get in the way.
But for every good episode this season, it just felt like there was two featuring One Life to Live romance stories with Chapel and Spock (or Kirk and the security officer who annoys me), or some gimmick (the song and dance episode….although I will admit the songs were much catchier than I expected).
I criticize because I care. When the show hits, it hits hard. I just want that more.
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I will give you credit for an excellent response to my one word comment.
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I really enjoyed this season. But I expected such a misinformed opinion from one who's white and black halves of their face are on the wrong side...hepcat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:55 pm I found this season to be disappointing, overall. It promised classic Star Trek episodes, but gave me mostly soap operas and gimmicks. Stop trying to shove your version of Kirk down my throat, and enough with the constant love triangles/doomed loves. I enjoyed Discovery’s last few seasons more than this.
I hope they get back on track next season.
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Understood....AND OFFENDED!
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Yeah, that's why I put in some background in a spoiler, just in case.
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I zipped through S1 and then learned about the crossover with Lower Decks, so I switched gears to watch that entire series (which I really liked), and now back to S2 of Strange New Worlds.
Last night I watched the crossover episode and it was easily one of the most enjoyable ~50 minutes of TV I've experienced in years.
Between these two shows I'm not sure I can claim to be a casual fan of Star Trek any longer. I'm sure quite a few of the connections to older shows are still going over my head, but I am picking up on more references than I thought I would.
Anyway, being pleasantly surprised, I figured I'd share.
Last night I watched the crossover episode and it was easily one of the most enjoyable ~50 minutes of TV I've experienced in years.
Between these two shows I'm not sure I can claim to be a casual fan of Star Trek any longer. I'm sure quite a few of the connections to older shows are still going over my head, but I am picking up on more references than I thought I would.
Anyway, being pleasantly surprised, I figured I'd share.
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They guy with the pointy ears? Yeah, he's in some of the others.
The first officer with the black hair and the blonde nurse are the same person. She's still around in TNG as one of the character's mothers, and in several shows as a talking spaceship.
Pike winds up in a wheelchair with a blinking disorder, and ends up getting hooked on VR.
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I was firmly against Lower Decks after the first episode. But then I went back and gave it a shot and it clicked with me. I think I just had to get past my initial bias against an "adult cartoon" version of Star Trek. But after letting that go (and some prodding from Siljanus), I was able to see it for what it is: a loving tribute to the long history of Star Trek that's also forging its own path at the same time.
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I'm such a non-fan I really had no idea about her character in the original series. I did know she was the voice of computers, but didn't realize the stuff they're doing with her character and Spock is building off the original show's roots.
Honestly, for me when things happen that I recognize or characters show up from other shows I'm on my couch like this
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They nailed the appearances of most of the characters, but in regards to the 'new' character they introduced in the finale:
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She was Number One in the pilot, Nurse Chapel in TOS, and Lwaxana Troi in TNG, plus the computer on every single show up until her death (six series, plus films.)Smoove_B wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:20 amI'm such a non-fan I really had no idea about her character in the original series. I did know she was the voice of computers, but didn't realize the stuff they're doing with her character and Spock is building off the original show's roots.
Honestly, for me when things happen that I recognize or characters show up from other shows I'm on my couch like this
Also, she had an affair with Roddenberry (while he was also having an affair with Nichelle Nichols, and was trying to convince them that they should all play together...), then ended up marrying him.
As an aside, I just watched her a couple of days ago as a Centauri seeress in Babylon 5 - which has a huge number of Star Trek alums involved with it (somewhere close to 150 of them.)
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Just watched the musical episode. That was...something.
Is there anything other than a single episode of a TV show ("Once More With Feeling") that's had such a significant impact on modern television (22 years ago!)?
Is there anything other than a single episode of a TV show ("Once More With Feeling") that's had such a significant impact on modern television (22 years ago!)?
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Fonzie jumping a shark on Happy Days?
In other news, regarding Nurse Chapel and Dr. M'Benga:
In other news, regarding Nurse Chapel and Dr. M'Benga:
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I just started a Star Trek chronological watch/rewatch of all the series starting with Enterprise. Really enjoying it so far. Strange New Worlds will be next up and I'm looking forward to it.
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Well, I slowly watched SNW over the past few weeks (given the strike, it'll probably be a while until we get more live action Star Trek). I thought it was weaker than the first season (it was still good, but not as good as the first season). Comments on some episodes...
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Something im confused about.
Where does discovery, SNW, and Lower Deacks fit in on the various timelines?
Those 3 all appear to be on the same time line.
The TOS, Next Gen, Voyager, and DS9 plus all the movies except the JJ Abrams version are all the same time line.
JJ Abrams movies are their own.
Are the ones in my question now their own timeline as well?
Where does discovery, SNW, and Lower Deacks fit in on the various timelines?
Those 3 all appear to be on the same time line.
The TOS, Next Gen, Voyager, and DS9 plus all the movies except the JJ Abrams version are all the same time line.
JJ Abrams movies are their own.
Are the ones in my question now their own timeline as well?
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Only the JJ Abrams films are in a separate timeline. All the TV shows and the TOS/TNG movies happen in the same timeline/canon.Punisher wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:35 pm Something im confused about.
Where does discovery, SNW, and Lower Deacks fit in on the various timelines?
Those 3 all appear to be on the same time line.
The TOS, Next Gen, Voyager, and DS9 plus all the movies except the JJ Abrams version are all the same time line.
JJ Abrams movies are their own.
Are the ones in my question now their own timeline as well?
(Not counting individual episodes that take place in the mirror universe/parallel universes/time travel stories)
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Great. Thanks for the clarification although it just makes everything more weird for me.Defiant wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:14 pmOnly the JJ Abrams films are in a separate timeline. All the TV shows and the TOS/TNG movies happen in the same timeline/canon.Punisher wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:35 pm Something im confused about.
Where does discovery, SNW, and Lower Deacks fit in on the various timelines?
Those 3 all appear to be on the same time line.
The TOS, Next Gen, Voyager, and DS9 plus all the movies except the JJ Abrams version are all the same time line.
JJ Abrams movies are their own.
Are the ones in my question now their own timeline as well?
(Not counting individual episodes that take place in the mirror universe/parallel universes/time travel stories)
Too many major changes. Things like the ship, inside and out, the uniforms not really being the same as the TOS.
The ship is n9w too futuristic and advanced looking and there is just WAY too much room on the bridge it seems like.
As for the uniforms, i would have bern fine with different materials and minor changes but the mens uniforms areva bit off to me and the women's are very off. Maybe they should have kept with the Discovery type uniforms. They at least showed a progression from Enterprise jumpsuits to what they had. The new uniforms should really have been based off of TOS.
Uhura bothers me. Her hair stands out as a drastic change, but even her whole character. TOS era was smart, decisive, and had full confidence in herself. The new Uhura seems more like she should be in the Starfleet Academy show. Maybe even just starting out. Unless my time frame is off and she soends at least a decade under Pike to grow but I don't think she has that much time.
Their tech also seems too advanced.
I've really just been thinkning that all these things are because its a different timeline and thats why the changes happened. Not that I know they aren't it's probably gonna bug me more. At least I can look forward to forgetjis in a day or two.
If I ask this again just let me know it was answered and I decided I didn't like the answer and didn't want to know it.
Or just straight up lie to me and say its an alt universe.
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Every franchise that’s been around as long as Star Trek is going to have cosmetic changes over the years such as the ones you’re having trouble with in SNW. Visual effects have changed dramatically since the sixties, so the show is going to reflect that.
As for uniforms, they’ve changed so many times over the course of the many different shows that it’s not even something I think about at this point. As long as they’re not parading around in Zardoz leather harnesses, I’m fine.
If the shows keep the spirit and the conceit of Star Trek, I can overlook these relatively small changes here and there. Star Trek has always been about exploration, hope and humanity. If they veer from that, it won’t be Star Trek anymore.
As for uniforms, they’ve changed so many times over the course of the many different shows that it’s not even something I think about at this point. As long as they’re not parading around in Zardoz leather harnesses, I’m fine.
If the shows keep the spirit and the conceit of Star Trek, I can overlook these relatively small changes here and there. Star Trek has always been about exploration, hope and humanity. If they veer from that, it won’t be Star Trek anymore.
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Yeah, pretty much any show, especially one that uses a lot of special effects, is going to update their look (the TOS movies did that, too). I do think they could go for a little less shiny, but at least it's doesn't have JJ Abrams level of light flares.
Strange New Worlds takes place about 7 or 8 years before the TOS show - Uhura *is* just out of the academy at the start of the show (and IIRC, she gets shifted into a few different departments for training, so, for example, she learns from Engineer Hemmer in one or a few of the early episodes).
For me, the only real jarring issue is the Gorn (since it's not just their appearance that seems to have changed), but I assume (hope) they have a plan in place so that it makes sense.
It's also completely fine to consider the different shows to be different universes (a parallel universe where most of the events are the same but they have different fashion sense and the like), if you want to. Lower Decks is the only series that *directly* connects to this one (in that there's an actual crossover, and even crossovers could take place in different universes, as seen by the, uh, DS9 Mirror Universe episode "Crossover").
Strange New Worlds takes place about 7 or 8 years before the TOS show - Uhura *is* just out of the academy at the start of the show (and IIRC, she gets shifted into a few different departments for training, so, for example, she learns from Engineer Hemmer in one or a few of the early episodes).
For me, the only real jarring issue is the Gorn (since it's not just their appearance that seems to have changed), but I assume (hope) they have a plan in place so that it makes sense.
It's also completely fine to consider the different shows to be different universes (a parallel universe where most of the events are the same but they have different fashion sense and the like), if you want to. Lower Decks is the only series that *directly* connects to this one (in that there's an actual crossover, and even crossovers could take place in different universes, as seen by the, uh, DS9 Mirror Universe episode "Crossover").
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Same universe (the "Prime Universe"), in order:Punisher wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 3:35 pm Something im confused about.
Where does discovery, SNW, and Lower Deacks fit in on the various timelines?
Those 3 all appear to be on the same time line.
The TOS, Next Gen, Voyager, and DS9 plus all the movies except the JJ Abrams version are all the same time line.
Enterprise
TOS pilot
Discover seasons 1 and 2
Strange New Worlds
TOS
The Animated Series
TNG
DS9
Voyager
Lower Decks
Prodigy
Picard
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Discover season 3
Side note: TNG overlaps with DS9, and DS9 overlaps with Voyager (by two years each, I believe, so TNG 6 is DS9 1, and DS9 6 is VOY 1.) And of course time travel episodes take place all over - I believe the earliest was around 3.5 billion BC.
I'm mildly proud of myself - the only one I needed to look up was Prodigy.
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Prodigy will be the forgotten ST. Sorry, John Noble, you backed the wrong space horse.
Prodigy was better than expected for a children's show but will soon pass into Prodi-what-now?
Prodigy was better than expected for a children's show but will soon pass into Prodi-what-now?
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I think this is the only mistake you made - Voyager Season 1 takes place around DS9 Season 3 (shortly after the end of TNG), although outside of a couple of episodes (the pilot and one that references the Dominion War) there's not much in the way of overlap since it's generally out on it's own.
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We recently got Paramount+ in my household, so I've been able to check this out. It's delightful so far (through episode 6). I grew up watching the original series, and I hadn't realized how much I missed that vibe until I watched Strange New Worlds. At turns playful and moralizing, with largely self-contained episodes - that's the good stuff.
Interestingly, my spouse is less enamored. She's more of a TNG fan, and the new show is too much like the original series for her tastes.
Interestingly, my spouse is less enamored. She's more of a TNG fan, and the new show is too much like the original series for her tastes.
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And if you want to get technical (and who doesn't) most of Picard season 2 takes place prior to Enterprise. Agnes wasn't eating a 22nd or 23rd century car battery in a Los Angeles parking lot.Defiant wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:11 amI think this is the only mistake you made - Voyager Season 1 takes place around DS9 Season 3 (shortly after the end of TNG), although outside of a couple of episodes (the pilot and one that references the Dominion War) there's not much in the way of overlap since it's generally out on it's own.
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The only rational way to order Trek series is to order them from their base time period (although, as I understand it, Discovery's base time changed.)
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Also, that’s not considered part of the original or even Kelvin timelines, but rather part of something called The Shitty Timeline.El Guapo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:54 amAnd if you want to get technical (and who doesn't) most of Picard season 2 takes place prior to Enterprise. Agnes wasn't eating a 22nd or 23rd century car battery in a Los Angeles parking lot.Defiant wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:11 amI think this is the only mistake you made - Voyager Season 1 takes place around DS9 Season 3 (shortly after the end of TNG), although outside of a couple of episodes (the pilot and one that references the Dominion War) there's not much in the way of overlap since it's generally out on it's own.
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Is that where Spock's Brain, Sub Rosa (magic lamp with a Scottish ghost!), any episode with Dark Kira, and whole swathes of Voyager took place? And isn't that where Lizard-Klingons came from?
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BRAIN, BRAIN WHAT IS BRAIN!?!
I had fond memories of that episode but it sure wasn't because of the sophisticated dialogue.
I think the one bad TOS Trek I really couldn't give a pass to was Way to Eden. Those space hippies got what was coming to them.
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Way to Eden had camp going for it. It aged so badly that it's humorous. Spock's Brain, on the other hand, was just a torture you wanted to stop (along with the others I mentioned, plus the horrible one where Riker was a prisoner somewhere doing some sort of... play?)
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I like living in a world where someone can find something positive about Spock’s Brain or Way to Eden.Blackhawk wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:18 pm Way to Eden had camp going for it. It aged so badly that it's humorous. Spock's Brain, on the other hand, was just a torture you wanted to stop (along with the others I mentioned, plus the horrible one where Riker was a prisoner somewhere doing some sort of... play?)
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