The insurrection committee's public hearings

[LordMortis]

Open carry is not legal in DC and while concealed carry is allowed, it requires a permit and no other jurisdictions permits are accepted.

If you are a 2A rights advocate going to DC intent on insurrection to deny the peaceful transition of power by force because you are convinced the election has been stolen, I don't think what DC considers legal carry is a high register mark. If you are intent on insurrection, are you really thinking "Yeah, but we better not make it an armed insurrection, cause you know that might have consequences."

[hepcat]

But wearing body armor seems okay to you?

[Octavious]

I didn't even make it all the way to work before hearing how this is all a sham to help boost Biden's ratings. So that brightened my day. They all seem super concerned when people invaded Benghazi though.

[LordMortis]

But wearing body armor seems okay to you?

Not even a little. Does it suggest to me the intent to overthrow the government was there going in? No. Does it suggest that all they wanted/needed was a little nudge? Oh yeah.

If I had a personal arsenal and the desire to overthrow the government and I was going to DC with the intent to overthrow the government right there and then. To be that spark, to be that shot heard round the world, "to water the tree of liberty" I'd be literally be locked and loaded.

If I was going to rage and vent and peacock, looking be told my anger was righteous, then body army and even riot shields and batons would suffice. That's what is done to provide security and support for the blue line.

[$iljanus]

I didn't even make it all the way to work before hearing how this is all a sham to help boost Biden's ratings. So that brightened my day. They all seem super concerned when people invaded Benghazi though.

And don't forget the emails. So glad our politicians held the line against such a threat to our democracy.

[Octavious]

I didn't even make it all the way to work before hearing how this is all a sham to help boost Biden's ratings. So that brightened my day. They all seem super concerned when people invaded Benghazi though.

And don't forget the emails. So glad our politicians held the line against such a threat to our democracy.

I do live in the reddest part of NJ so there is that. My town was like 70+ for Trump in the election. I really need to move.

[El Guapo]

I didn't even make it all the way to work before hearing how this is all a sham to help boost Biden's ratings. So that brightened my day. They all seem super concerned when people invaded Benghazi though.

And don't forget the emails. So glad our politicians held the line against such a threat to our democracy.

I do live in the reddest part of NJ so there is that. My town was like 70+ for Trump in the election. I really need to move.

[malchior]

I didn't even make it all the way to work before hearing how this is all a sham to help boost Biden's ratings. So that brightened my day. They all seem super concerned when people invaded Benghazi though.

And don't forget the emails. So glad our politicians held the line against such a threat to our democracy.

I do live in the reddest part of NJ so there is that. My town was like 70+ for Trump in the election. I really need to move.

He would have to remove his job shackles.

In reality, he just needs to move about 5-15 miles to the south or east.

[naednek]

shortly after the hearing this showed up on my wall


DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT

[malchior]

But wearing body armor seems okay to you?

Not even a little. Does it suggest to me the intent to overthrow the government was there going in? No. Does it suggest that all they wanted/needed was a little nudge? Oh yeah.

If I had a personal arsenal and the desire to overthrow the government and I was going to DC with the intent to overthrow the government right there and then. To be that spark, to be that shot heard round the world, "to water the tree of liberty" I'd be literally be locked and loaded.

This isn't born out by what we know already. First off they did have some weapons on them. Just not guns. Second they had guns staged and ready to go with a quick reaction force in Virginia. As detailed in the Oathkeepers portion of the seditious conspiracy charges. There is an argument whether it was meant for protection in the midst of general unrest or part of an attack on the Capitol but we don't know about all their communications yet publicly.

One possibility is that they didn't want to get stopped carrying guns before they needed to act. Especially considering Tarrio was just released the night before. Another consideration is that the garage meeting on 1/5 involved the Oathkeeper's "2A" attorney.

[Smoove_B]

Also, they didn't necessarily need guns when there was an intentional skeleton crew guarding the Capitol. And they had advanced knowledge of where things were located, panic buttons were disabled, etc...

Guns would have helped, but it would have also escalated things quickly - and likely not in their favor (ultimately).

[LordMortis]

shortly after the hearing this showed up on my wall


DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT

While I don't want to pay $5 a gallon for gas, I'd do it to keep my nation. That said equivocation is a tool of sophistry that gets me to never listen to a person again. Ever. I used to try and hold conversations but I gave up.

[LawBeefaroni]

But wearing body armor seems okay to you?

Body armor is legal to wear in DC. If open carry were legal, you can bet they would have been open carrying. What they didn't want was to get identified off on the outskirts and thrown in jail.

I'm also sure there were a lot of firearms in trunks of cars waiting for the Trump signal. In a way, maybe the fact that they overwhelmed the Capitol Police was a good thing in that they felt they could accomplish their goals without bringing in their guns. Terrible for the individual officers but maybe avoided something much worse.

[Holman]

Send him to Club Fed to spend his remaining days "writing" about his struggle.

Well, we know what happened the last time a racial-supremacist party leader wrote a book in prison after a failed putsch.

[Kraken]

Send him to Club Fed to spend his remaining days "writing" about his struggle.

Well, we know what happened the last time a racial-supremacist party leader wrote a book in prison after a failed putsch.

At least it wasn't called "My Struggle." Fortunately, trump is considerably older than his role model was.

[hepcat]

But wearing body armor seems okay to you?

Body armor is legal to wear in DC. If open carry were legal, you can bet they would have been open carrying. What they didn't want was to get identified off on the outskirts and thrown in jail.

I think many of them went there prepared/hoping for an insurrection, hence the body armor. It was what they could legally carry into the city without getting arrested before the "festivities", in my opinion.

[LawBeefaroni]

But wearing body armor seems okay to you?

Body armor is legal to wear in DC. If open carry were legal, you can bet they would have been open carrying. What they didn't want was to get identified off on the outskirts and thrown in jail.

I think many of them went there prepared/hoping for an insurrection, hence the body armor. It was what they could legally carry into the city without getting arrested before the "festivities", in my opinion.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.

[hepcat]

Ah, got it.

[Kraken]

Anybody watching/listening to today's hearing? As I understand it, the objective is to prove that trump knew he lost the election and that he was in fact lying about the Big Lie.

[Unagi]

Yup. I'm watching
(as you probably know) It hasn't quite started yet - as there is a delay

Former Trump 2020 campaign manager Bill Stepien told the House select committee that his wife went into labor this morning, according to two sources briefed on the matter, explaining the family emergency that caused him to cancel his live appearance before the committee.

[Kraken]

I'm not actually watching . I had heard that their star witness backed out but didn't know the reason. I guess that's a pretty good excuse.

[msteelers]

I’m too busy with work to tune in today. I’ll have to wait for a recap tonight or something to see what happens.

[malchior]

I'm not actually watching . I had heard that their star witness backed out but didn't know the reason. I guess that's a pretty good excuse.

Stepien's wife went into labor. Seems reasonable enough. He isn't in the firing line either so 99% chance just bad timing.

That said the Barr stuff we are hearing is really devastating. It tells me DOJ needs to step up.

[Smoove_B]

Barr's demeanor for this questioning is completely different than when he was a mouthpiece for the Trump administration. He genuinely seems like a different person.

[malchior]

Barr's demeanor for this questioning is completely different than when he was a mouthpiece for the Trump administration. He genuinely seems like a different person.

Well he is ass covering. He is also protecting them somewhat. He is subtly selling that they believed their bullshit despite all the warnings to defuse the criminal intent angle.

[Unagi]

I thought they did a pretty good job today.

Bill Barr said that he thinks Trump has lost touch with reality, which will drive Trump nuts.

They showed that Trump was focused on getting to the results of winning no matter what and would listen to any theory that may lead to it. He would remove anyone that told him otherwise.

They also did a good job with the timeline and showing that Trump would be told about how on election night, the votes would come late for Democrats, it always does... and you could then see him later that day use that information to sew doubt in the election by doing his "Just watch, this will happen: " all framed in fraud. It's not terribly sophisticated, he's just not called out on it by his apathetic fans.

Reminds me of this 2015 interview:

whining until I win.

He's a child that has never been told "No", before that election.

[Smoove_B]

I don't think it was as striking a the first hearing - having officers testify about their experiences during the attack was likely the right move. But yes, I think there was still plenty of critical information shared today.

I also think it's hilarious that they ended by pointing out how it was transformed into grifting. Big surprise there.

[Octavious]

Did we get him yet? I'll never understand the obsession people have with this idiot. He's obviously full of shit 99.99% of the time. He's also got about 2 brain cells and whines like a baby all the time.

[msteelers]

Did we get him yet? I'll never understand the obsession people have with this idiot. He's obviously full of shit 99.99% of the time. He's also got about 2 brain cells and whines like a baby all the time.

I think that’s what pisses me off the most. Not that they are willing to throw away democracy in order to stay in power, but that they are doing it for THIS shit stain.

[Octavious]

Yup our country has been brought to it's knees by the ultimate Internet troll. I guess that's fitting?

[Kurth]

He's also a seditious traitor who is somehow still likely to be the GOP nominee for President of the United States in the next election.

[coopasonic]

Did we get him yet? I'll never understand the obsession people have with this idiot. He's obviously full of shit 99.99% of the time. He's also got about 2 brain cells and whines like a baby all the time.

I think that’s what pisses me off the most. Not that they are willing to throw away democracy in order to stay in power, but that they are doing it for THIS shit stain.

They aren't doing it for him, in my opinion. He is just a tool to hold power that has an extraordinary hold on a lot of voters. I think most of them would ditch him quickly if they were confident they could do it and hold onto his voters.

[malchior]

He also exemplifies this nation's inability to balance due process against the need to protect the nation against bad
faith actors. And it isnt the first time. At least Nixon let Ford off the hook by slinking away. Trump is much worse.

[Zarathud]

Trump was Paris Hilton before celebrity stupid became a thing.

[RM2]

Yeah but Paris did a better job of creating more wealth, at least from an article I read a number of yeras ago in some financial magazine. Could never provide a link as it was years ago but the compared his staring money and hers and made an argument that she actually did much better. No idea if this is actually correct but I can believe its possible . Of course this is before he became president and found a whole new world of opportunity

[Pyperkub]

Barr's demeanor for this questioning is completely different than when he was a mouthpiece for the Trump administration. He genuinely seems like a different person.

Well he is ass covering. He is also protecting them somewhat. He is subtly selling that they believed their bullshit despite all the warnings to defuse the criminal intent angle.

I disagree.

IMHO, it's because he's actually under oath.

To his credit, he did quit and there were lines of the law that he wouldn't break, but up until December 2020, he had no problem using his authority to undermine the law while not actually breaking it (see Mueller Report, again).

[Unagi]

Yeah but Paris did a better job of creating more wealth, at least from an article I read a number of yeras ago in some financial magazine. Could never provide a link as it was years ago but the compared his staring money and hers and made an argument that she actually did much better. No idea if this is actually correct but I can believe its possible . Of course this is before he became president and found a whole new world of opportunity

Here is that link

https://nextshark.com/paris-hilton-vs-d ... ump-money/

[malchior]

I disagree.

IMHO, it's because he's actually under oath.

Oh yeah that is totally in the mix and ass covering might be the wrong phrase. He is spinning and white washing. I'm sure he is telling the truth but in the same dishonest way he poured cold water on the Mueller report. He is essentially still acting somewhat as his defense attorney in his framing of answers. He is saying to paraphrase, "Sure the things they believed in were preposterous but that's their right. I couldn't take it anymore when it became action". He is giving them air cover for their 'no criminal intent' defenses. And I don't think for one moment that is true or that Barr believes it.

To his credit, he did quit and there were lines of the law that he wouldn't break, but up until December 2020, he had no problem using his authority to undermine the law while not actually breaking it (see Mueller Report, again).

That's what I mean. The guy knows how to walk up right to the established line -- one that should be politically unacceptable but isn't. Also one IMO that should be illegal but isn't. This is the one of the very serious people? A defender of our liberties? That's bleak. That is why we are broken. This system is plain old rotted out. It can't maintain itself and I have less doubt every day that what is coming to replace the old order is going to be quite dark.

[Smoove_B]

The meeting on Wednesday (6/15) has been postponed:

The Jan. 6 committee announced Tuesday morning that its hearing set for Wednesday has been postponed.

No reason was given.

The hearing's focus was to be then-President Donald Trump's pressure campaign on the Justice Department to back his false claims of election fraud.

[Kraken]

The reason given is technical difficulties -- specifically, cutting together video. Apparently producing a new show every day is a little too fast-paced for their technical team. It doesn't seem like there's anything nefarious going on, just overplanning.