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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 11:31 amWhat does the College Board say:
David Coleman, the head of the College Board, said in an interview that the changes were all made for pedagogical reasons, not to bow to political pressure. “At the College Board, we can’t look to statements of political leaders,” he said. The changes, he said, came from “the input of professors” and “longstanding A.P. principles.”
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I'm guessing that even if there's zero connection DeSantis (and his disciples) are going to campaign on how they forced this to happen.
Exactly. No one should be distracted that this is what he believes is his path to power. A state leader delving into some pretty out in the open book banning, cultural suppression, racist police targeting...and disinformation. Otherwise known as fascism.
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Did Coleman say this all with a straight face? Did anyone do any analysis of whether he was blinking S.O.S. while he was talking?
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:18 pm Did Coleman say this all with a straight face?
No shit. Did the person interviewing him even push back on that absurd comment?
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Carpet_pissr wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:22 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:18 pm Did Coleman say this all with a straight face?
No shit. Did the person interviewing him even push back on that absurd comment?
Why would they? The standards of modern journalism involve asking a question and then faithfully acting as a stenographer and writing it down exactly as they said it.
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You all might want to sit down:


Hey, everyone: This is pretty big. The Daily Caller (ugh) has memos from the Florida DOE suggesting they were influencing @CollegeBoard
on the AP African-American Studies curriculum as early as January 2022, and at the very minimum, July 2022. So, to everyone who somehow believed that College Board made its own, independent decisions about the framework/curriculum and wrapped it all up in December, 2022, before DeSantis went public: Read this.
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It's almost as if people are the problem.
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El Guapo wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:18 pm Did Coleman say this all with a straight face? Did anyone do any analysis of whether he was blinking S.O.S. while he was talking?
Guess we now know. The guy appears to be a straight up liar. Why would you flush your credibility for ... Ron DeSantis? Not to mention the high risk DeSantis would reveal it for his own benefit.

Edit: Oh good lord. The NY Times is running a piece now too. Instead of admitting the truth they chose to double down and lie some more.

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The College Board responded to the letter with one of its own, released on Thursday, saying that Florida’s concerns had not influenced any revisions to the course, which had been shaped instead by feedback from educators.

“We provide states and departments of Education across the country with the information they request for inclusion of courses within their systems,” the letter said, adding, “We need to clarify that no topics were removed because they lacked educational value. We believe all the topics listed in your letter have substantial educational value.”

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The Florida letter suggests discrepancies with the College Board’s account of events. Florida publicly announced that it had rejected the A.P. course in January, a few weeks before the College Board released its final guidelines — too little time, the board said, to make any politically motivated revisions. But according to the letter, the state informed the College Board months before, in September 2022, that it would not add the African American Studies class to the state’s course directory without revisions.

The Florida letter also outlines a key Nov. 16 meeting to air differences between the state and the College Board over the course. In the meeting, the state claimed that the A.P. African American Studies course violated regulations requiring that “instruction on required topics must be factual and objective and may not suppress or distort significant historical events.”

According to the state, the College Board acknowledged that the course would undergo revisions, while pushing back against the state’s request to remove concepts like “systemic marginalization” and “intersectionality,” which the College Board saw as integral to the class.

Nevertheless, by the time the course’s final framework was released on Feb. 1, those terms had largely been removed, except that intersectionality was listed as an optional subject for the course’s required final project, in which students can choose their area of focus.

In its response to the Florida letter, the College Board said, “We are confident in the historical accuracy of every topic included in the pilot framework, as well as those now in the official framework.” The board has also said that students and teachers could still engage with ideas like intersectionality through optional lessons or projects and through A.P. Classroom, a free website that will serve as a repository for important texts for the class.

Even so, many scholars have noted the omission of terms that, according to the College Board’s own research documents, are considered central to African American Studies as it is taught on college campuses.
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JFC already with this guy:
Florida lawmakers passed a bill Friday expanding a program used to fly migrants to Democratic-led cities and states. Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration will now be able to relocate migrants elsewhere from any state in the country, not just from Florida.

The bill formally creates the Unauthorized Alien Transport Program, building out a program enacted by DeSantis last year that enabled government officials to fly migrants to destinations in blue states that have sanctuary policies in place.

The move suggests that DeSantis has no intention of shying away from the contentious methods his administration has used to deal with migrants. Conservative allies have pointed to the practice as a necessary tool to draw attention to the border crisis in the U.S. GOP state Rep. John Snyder also argued during floor debate on Thursday that the program was "humanitarian" because it offered a "free, chartered flight" for migrants who want to move elsewhere in the country.
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The feds need to land on him with both feet.
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Start redirecting Federal money ear marked for immigrants in Florida and send it to the target states instead. Let's see if spending 10's of thousands on flights is worth losing millions in Federal funding.
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It’s gotten to the point where many of these asshats would be ok with that, including our state’s idiot governor (and has refused funds like that in the past).

Wins them all kinds of domestic (state) stigginit points, and doesn’t hurt them personally, so win/win (for them).

Withholding is not enough now, needs to be penalties.
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I just assumed they were misappropriating the funds for their pet projects anyway. If they don't want the money, fantastic. Get it in writing and use it for something else.

It's not like if a viable 100% solution was created for handling illegal immigrants these poseurs would stop their clown show for a single moment.
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The College Board probably needs to start thinking about firing their CEO. They seem on intent on trying to 1) lie their way out of their own fuck up and 2) in the process make DeSantis look like a winner to the deplorables.

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The College Board is hitting back at top officials in Florida over the state's ban on a new AP African American Studies course that's being piloted in several states.

In a lengthy statement released Saturday, the national education nonprofit said it should have more quickly addressed claims by Florida's Department of Education that the course was indoctrinating students and lacked educational value, which the College Board called "slander."
Yet experts have said the changes they made undermined its educational value. In the end, the only thing they truly regret is that they got caught capitulating to DeSantis. And now the crocodile tears are flowing.
The organization also said that Florida's public and private objections had no bearing on changes the College Board made to the final curriculum of the course, which it released earlier this month.
Almost no one believes this. The course no longer represents what is taught at the college level anymore. What is the purpose of an "AP" course? Other other than making money for the College Board.
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More on the college stuff:



I tend to take claims like these with a grain of salt.
But I just went line-by-line through the DeSantis education bill. And you guys, it’s *bananas*. A road map for wrecking one of our great state systems of higher education. Breathtaking control of viewpoint and content throughout all academic activity in the entire Florida system. All colleges and universities are forbidden to spend any money to fund pedagogy, programming, or activities that “espouse diversity, equity, and inclusion.” No core class can present American history contrary to a founding narrative “based on universal principles stated in the Declaration of Independence.”
It goes on for a bit more, read it here
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More on the death row stuff...

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Wow.

Way to make Florida degrees valueless in the rest of the country.
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I wonder if schools could actually lose accreditation over this.
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Peak level NY Times editorial from Damon Linker talking about how "liberals" are exaggerating the threat of DeSantis. His high level framing mechanism? A strawman about liberals saying he'll be worse than Trump which culminates in the argument in the 3rd blurb below. Not super strong. And it's not 100% wrong but it is 100% silly and exasperating especially the 2nd blurb where he talks about governing from the hard right and literally lists out policy positions from a fascists's handbook. DeSantis isn't self-dealing so he could be worse. Come on. What is Linker doing here?

Also just to underline how desperate the NY Times is for clicks he is out on Twitter right now complaining about the negative comments from "liberals" about his story that has been up - checks notes - 2 hours. Come on. Anyone with half a brain sees through this.


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To judge by several early polls, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida has a decent shot of beating former President Donald Trump in the race to win the Republican presidential nomination in 2024. Some liberals have pronounced this terrible news — because, they say, a DeSantis presidency would be just as awful as, and perhaps even worse than, a second Trump term.

This is wrong. A DeSantis presidency would be bad in many ways, and my fellow liberals should fight with all they have to prevent it. But Mr. DeSantis almost certainly would not be worse than Mr. Trump.


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The case against Mr. DeSantis is rooted in his policy commitments. During his time as Florida’s chief executive, he has governed from the hard right, taking aggressive aim at voting rights, pursuing politicized prosecutions, restricting what can be taught in public schools and universities, strong-arming private businesses, using refugees as human props to score political points and engaging in flagrant demagogy about vaccines. Before that, as a congressman, he supported cuts to Social Security and Medicare and voted for a bill that would have severely weakened Obamacare. All of that provides ample reason to rally against him should he end up as the Republican nominee in 2024.

But none of it makes Mr. DeSantis worse than Mr. Trump, who also did and sought to do bad things in office: the Muslim travel ban, forcibly separating migrants from their children, and much else.

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Could the Trump era have been worse? Absolutely, and here liberals have a point when they suggest Mr. Trump’s ability to wreak havoc was limited by his ineptness. Based on what we’ve seen of Mr. DeSantis’s performance as governor of Florida, a DeSantis administration would likely display much greater discipline and competence than what the country endured under Mr. Trump.

Yet it’s also the case that people in the Trump orbit recognize this problem and plan to ensure things work out differently next time. That includes ideas for bolder action on policy and much tighter and more focused management of the president, with an eye toward running an administration capable of acting much more shrewdly and ruthlessly than the last time.

So let’s stipulate that Mr. Trump and Mr. DeSantis would both try to do bad things in office. Mr. Trump still brings something distinctive and much more dangerous to the contest — or rather, several things. He’s flagrantly corrupt. He lies constantly. He’s impulsive and capricious. And he displays a lust for power combined with complete indifference to democratic laws and norms that constrain presidential power.
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Yeah, just some exaggeration as he takes over Lake Buena Vista:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday signed a bill that gives him control of Walt Disney World’s self-governing district, punishing the company over its opposition to the so-called “Don’t Say Gay” law.

The bill requires DeSantis, a Republican, to appoint a five-member board to oversee the government services that the Disney district provides in its sprawling theme park properties in Florida.

“Today the corporate kingdom finally comes to an end,” he said at a bill signing ceremony in Lake Buena Vista. “There’s a new sheriff in town, and accountability will be the order of the day.”
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I always thought it was odd how much power Disney had to rule their own area, but to give control to the state and allow him to appoint anyone he wants? What could go wrong? :P
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Octavious wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:13 pm I always thought it was odd how much power Disney had to rule their own area, but to give control to the state and allow him to appoint anyone he wants? What could go wrong? :P
Florida has to pay for it now too. It'll blow up in their face.


Should clarify. They're making DIS buy $1B in bonds but the new district can now levy new taxes and issue more bonds. So their big FU to DIS is to go into $1B debt to them and create a new board of political appointed idiots to manage everything.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:42 pm Florida has to pay for it now too. It'll blow up in their face.
That;s what I wonder. What does this do to tax and service there?
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The entire reason they kept the board is because Disney will still be paying. Originally he was going to nuke the whole thing, but then realized the entire county will have to pay up. So as far as I have seen Disney is still on the hook. But now anytime they want to build anything they can gum it up and get concessions. What the heck that would be I have no idea... Have to have someone run with a bible down main street every hour? :P
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LordMortis wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:46 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:42 pm Florida has to pay for it now too. It'll blow up in their face.
That;s what I wonder. What does this do to tax and service there?
See my edit. The original proposal shifted all cost to taxpayers but they modified it to keep the district but create a new hand picked board and issue bonds.

It's just more grift, rewarding big donors and supporters with board seats they can leverage for profit.
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They're going to make Donald Duck wear pants!
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I think it's a reasonable argument as to whether, from a liberal perspective, a second Trump term or a DeSantis administration would be worse. Also pretty academic, since they would both be really, really bad, and no liberal should consider supporting either.
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El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:34 pm I think it's a reasonable argument as to whether, from a liberal perspective, a second Trump term or a DeSantis administration would be worse. Also pretty academic, since they would both be really, really bad, and no liberal should consider supporting either.
Right. Still it seems like the entire point of the piece was to impose a radical centrist framework on that sort of discourse. With the usual gate keeping about what serious discussion is and who and how it should be practiced.
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malchior wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:13 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:34 pm I think it's a reasonable argument as to whether, from a liberal perspective, a second Trump term or a DeSantis administration would be worse. Also pretty academic, since they would both be really, really bad, and no liberal should consider supporting either.
Right. Still it seems like the entire point of the piece was to impose a radical centrist framework on that sort of discourse. With the usual gate keeping about what serious discussion is and who and how it should be practiced.
Yeah, the whole thing is pretty stupid. Also further support for my growing position that newspapers should get rid of op ed sections.
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I'd take a DeSantis Presidency over a second Trump term any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

It's argued that DeSantis would be "more dangerous" because he's smarter than Trump, but I'd argue the exact opposite. (This is a conclusion I've come to after a bit of recent thought - I'm sure at one point or another I may have agreed that DeSantis was the bigger danger). Much of Trump's danger came from the fact that he had absolutely no guardrails whatsoever. He doesn't obey societal norms. He's likely mentally ill, at least to the point of being a clinical narcissist. Those conditions make him act in an irrational manner, and irrationality equals chaos. Combine that chaos with the charisma of a cult leader, and you've got January 6th.

Though DeSantis would still be pushing his authoritarian rule, he'd at least be doing it within some semblance of rationality. And rationality can be dealt with. And his lack of cult charisma would at least tone down that aspect of the MAGA crowd.

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But Trump is somehow being controlled by Putin. Isn't that going to make him more dangerous?

Or do you think DeSantis is also belong to Putin?
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Victoria Raverna wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:46 pm But Trump is somehow being controlled by Putin. Isn't that going to make him more dangerous?

Or do you think DeSantis is also belong to Putin?
There are a lot of ways to unravel our country.

I think it's true that Trump's connections/love for Russia are more dangerous than any one can maybe even imagine - globally.
I think it's true that DeSantis seems to be even more heavy-handed when it comes to executive calls that truly shock the general US population.
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Victoria Raverna wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:46 pm But Trump is somehow being controlled by Putin. Isn't that going to make him more dangerous?

Or do you think DeSantis is also belong to Putin?
Trump isn't controlled by Putin. It's more that Trump is aligned with Putin, because Putin is happy to help Trump amass power and to be as corrupt as he wants to be.

I'm not aware of DeSantis - Putin ties anywhere near what the Trump - Putin ties are like. That said, Russian corruption has spread within the GOP beyond just Trump, and thanks to Trump pro-Russian sentiment is more widespread in the GOP than it has been previously. I wouldn't be surprised if a DeSantis administration was at least more neutral towards Ukraine than Biden has been, although he's less likely to be as pro-Putin / pro-Russia as Trump.
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Hard to say. Florida Real Estate loves Desantis and Russian political influencers and money launderers love Florida Real Estate. However Russian political influencers are not Putin. How those circles from into Ven diagrams, I have no idea. I mean Florida is home to Sunny Isles Beach, not coincidentally, where installations of Trump Towers are housed.

One doesn't have to have that long of a memory for things like this

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/new ... 524833007/

And the guy who wants "politics of of pensions"

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politi ... story.html
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DeSantis to write Disney movies:

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Honestly, I think this is a political blunder. I mean, I'm not a huge Disney fanboy by any stretch, but I like this institution just fine the way they are. The idea that government should come in and dictate the content... the content that Disney makes (of all content creators!) has just got to be seen as offensive to soooooo many Americans. I mean, if he has the ability to control the content of Disney, why wouldn't he extend that control over to Penthouse, the NFL, or MSNBC (once President)?

So fucking stupid for a person on the road to the Presidency.
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They are for freedom of things that they care about. I see them loving this. Owning the libs has been their main agenda since the horrors of Obama giving people healthcare options. They very much want someone like Putin that will just do what they want at all costs. So ya... We'll see.
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DeSantis reminds me sooooo much of Pat McCrory - a dumbass so consumed by his personal vendettas that he can't see how unpopular his policies are. I'm hoping, like McCrory, it winds up being his downfall.
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El Guapo wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:20 pm

Trump isn't controlled by Putin. It's more that Trump is aligned with Putin, because Putin is happy to help Trump amass power and to be as corrupt as he wants to be.
Trump almost certainly owes lots of money to the Russian Oligarchy. Does that constitute control? Probably not. Heavy influence? Given previous actions, I'd say it's a resounding yes.

What are the chances ANY of Trump's grift money makes its way back to Russia? Probably zero. Trump likes money too much and Putin has no influence if Trump doesn't owe money, so....Trump will be beholden to Putin for the foreseeable future. He will also leave that legacy to his children. They should never be allowed near any elected public position.
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