We Are ... Horrified

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:25 am

Yep, triggercut reported on this awhile back, there's still no evidence that it's true though. In other news, the PSU trustees did support the PSU president's action. One trustee (who still doesn't get it) was unhappy because he said PSU didn't have a culture problem, since they'd never been sanctioned before. What he doesn't realize is that when the janitor feels like he's going to lose his job if he reports a felony, you have a culture problem.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:35 am

So because they had never previously been caught, there is no problem?

WTF kind of logic is that...sheesh.

Hey, I successfully robbed 16 regional banks...never got caught. I guess that means it's ok.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:40 am

Here's the article

Trustee Anthony Lubrano, however, said he too wanted to move forward but "not at the price of our proud past." He criticized the actions of the NCAA and the resources it relied upon, especially the school's internal investigation led by former FBI director Louis Freeh, the findings of which he called "so inconsistent with reality that I find them to be intentionally inflammatory."

"For example, Penn State athletics has served as a model program for the NCAA member institutions, contrary to the assertion that Penn State athletics had a 'culture problem.' For those of us involved with Penn State athletics, we know just how untrue that is."

Dude when people see child rape and don't try to stop it because they are afraid of how the report will affect the football program, there is no 'proud past'.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:47 am

I doubt this will go any where, but when the agency involved in accrediting your university raises the reg flag, it doesn't look good.

The commission said in an Aug. 8 notice that Penn State remains accredited while "on warning" but it wants a monitoring report submitted by the end of next month detailing steps taken to ensure full compliance with governmental requirements, that the university's mission is being carried out, that the commission will be fully informed and that Penn State is complying with standards on leadership and governance as well as integrity.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:05 am

The NCAA sanctions would be nothing compared to losing their accreditdation. Glad they issued the warning though; that'll shut the trustees up.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:56 am

New witness claims Sandusky and booster sexually assaulted boys on a private plane

U.S. Postal Inspectors interviewed the witness after opening a new investigation into whether Sandusky shared child pornography.

The witness, who "has a strong tie to the booster he is accusing," claims that Sandusky and the fundraiser abused two boys on a private plane in Pennsylvania, the site reported. RadarOnline's unidentified source doesn't know whether the two boys are among Sandusky's previously identified victims.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:14 am

Ugh. That goes back to what was hoped to be outrageous paranoid speculation/claims that Sandusky's charity was being used in organized sex trade perversion. I hope these claims turn out to be false. It's all just nauseating.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:19 am

It also really makes me wonder if the kind of people that would allegedly operate a sex abuse ring might also be inclined to make a prosecutor disappear.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:55 pm

Joe couldn't stop crying after he was fired (excerpt from upcoming book):

“On Thursday, Paterno met with his coaches at his house. He sobbed uncontrollably. This was his bad day. Later, one of his former captains, Brandon Short, stopped by the house. When Brandon asked, "How are you doing, Coach?" Paterno answered, "I'm okay," but the last syllable was shaky, muffled by crying, and then he broke down and said, "I don't know what I'm going to do with myself." Nobody knew how to handle such emotion. Joe had always seemed invulnerable. On Thursday, though, he cried continually.”

Every dollar this book makes should be given to victims of sexual abuse. Every dollar.

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:36 pm

Smoove_B wrote:New witness claims Sandusky and booster sexually assaulted boys on a private plane

U.S. Postal Inspectors interviewed the witness after opening a new investigation into whether Sandusky shared child pornography.

The witness, who "has a strong tie to the booster he is accusing," claims that Sandusky and the fundraiser abused two boys on a private plane in Pennsylvania, the site reported. RadarOnline's unidentified source doesn't know whether the two boys are among Sandusky's previously identified victims.

If it's true that boosters and alumni were involved in helping Sandusky abuse boys then it's time to eliminate football at Penn State. Just shut down the program permanently.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:13 pm

Exodor wrote:
If it's true that boosters and alumni were involved in helping Sandusky abuse boys then it's time to eliminate football at Penn State. Just shut down the program permanently.

agree

msduncan · Post by **msduncan** » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:22 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:
Exodor wrote:
If it's true that boosters and alumni were involved in helping Sandusky abuse boys then it's time to eliminate football at Penn State. Just shut down the program permanently.

agree

Sadly, agree.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:53 pm

Seriously, sometimes you just have to throw out the baby with the bath water. Replace the BoD as well if that is even possible.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:28 am

Ok explain to me why the school should be held responsible for what its boosters and alumni do. These people aren't employed by them and they have no control over them. I don't agree that they should be punished further for actions by people they don't employ or haven't made official in some capacity.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:35 am

Lorini wrote:Ok explain to me why the school should be held responsible for what its boosters and alumni do. These people aren't employed by them and they have no control over them. I don't agree that they should be punished further for actions by people they don't employ or haven't made official in some capacity.

If it's true that people were so obsessed with the program that they were willing to cover up these things, then there's a pervasive attitude and/or corruption that goes beyond a handful of people. Things like this happen because too many people want to turn a blind eye in order to succeed. It ripples back to the school and the only way there is to combat it, I think, is to burn it to the ground and rebuild it. Rotten to the core.

I mean - I'm sure there are still a lot of people around and at the school who may be upset with the victims for ruining their football program. That's fuxxed.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:44 am

Lorini wrote:Ok explain to me why the school should be held responsible for what its boosters and alumni do. These people aren't employed by them and they have no control over them. I don't agree that they should be punished further for actions by people they don't employ or haven't made official in some capacity.

If that was the case then Alabama would have never gotten in trouble with the NCAA as it was boosters and an agent both times they were hammered. NCAA expects the school to keep the boosters under control if they are giving them funds. A daunting task but it is required.

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:40 am

Lorini wrote:Ok explain to me why the school should be held responsible for what its boosters and alumni do. These people aren't employed by them and they have no control over them. I don't agree that they should be punished further for actions by people they don't employ or haven't made official in some capacity.

If it was just boosters and alumni then I don't think the ultimate death penalty would be appropriate.

If it turns out the head coach, the Board of Directors, the highest members of the executive team AND boosters/alumuni were all aware of child abuse and ignored it at best and facilitated it at worst because they all felt the football program was more important then protecting children from a predator?

IF that's all true then the program must be burned to the ground - not just to destroy the warped culture at Penn State that places football above the safety of children but to make clear to every other NCAA school what happens when priorities get so terribly skewed.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:50 am

Don't forget Second Mile. The charity is shutting down to abruptly end scrutiny. Some claim it was a front/farm for Sandusky's victims.

Abusers may have been drifting between PSU and Second Mile using them both in varying capacities as social network, venue, bait, and holding cell.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:07 am

Thanks for reminding me how stupid the NCAA is. The punishment against PSU I thought was warranted and is the only time I can ever imagine agreeing with them. That said, PSU has already been punished for the culture/compliance/lack of institutional control issue, why keep piling on? And will they revisit it anyway? I would think (and again I clearly don't think the way they do) that the only way NCAA would revisit this is if there was further evidence implicating an existing working employee or a member of the Board of Trustees, but what do I know.

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:09 am

joePos writes about his experience writing about Paterno.

Sarkus · Post by **Sarkus** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:22 am

More excerpts from that book are being published, and its hard not to read the latest and wonder whether Paterno was really of sound mind near the end. Not that it excuses anything, of course, but it is sad. I keep trying to reconcile the reports that Paterno was not happy at all with the perks Sandusky got when he retired in 1999 but just a few years later was apparently calling for restraint when dealing with the locker room incident.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:05 pm

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 1508c08f1c" target="_blank

You rioted. You rioted for a stupid "cause." You rioted for a stupid "cause" on national TV. Now your career in the military is over.

"I had to stand by and watch my son plead guilty to something he didn't do," said Jim Strine.

A second wave of spectators then pressed toward the front of the van, perhaps to get a better view. Strine and Assainte were in the front of that group.

With the vehicle already on two wheels and going over, Strine placed his palms on the hood. Four seconds later, the van was on its side. But that's all it took for police and prosecutors to charge him with felony counts of riot and criminal mischief — the same charges filed against students who did the actual pushing.

A good cadet who made a bad decision the night of Nov. 9.

I don't doubt it. But if that's case, does that excuse him? I know a good now not marine who made a bad decision and stole a bottle of Tom Collins mix while on leave during the first Iraq War and then spent his last 9 months of service in a military prison before getting a less than honorable discharge or whatever it's called.

This kid, who is supposed to be representing the order and discipline of the US Military, got in the middle of a stupid riot and while on film helped tip the van of the people covering their criminal behavior. How much should he pay? How much compassion should we show his youth? I don't know.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:19 pm

From the article

The consequences didn't end there. Penn State suspended Strine for a semester, and he was booted from ROTC and will have to repay every dime of his scholarship money, a total of $34,000. He also owes $8,500 in court costs, fines and restitution.

How is that possible? How can you demand back money that was given freely (or based on certain criteria, more like) and then after the fact, after it has been spent on exactly what it was earmarked for, demand it back, essentially retroactively revoking his scholarship?

I'm having a hard time understanding this.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:23 pm

GreenGoo wrote:From the article
The consequences didn't end there. Penn State suspended Strine for a semester, and he was booted from ROTC and will have to repay every dime of his scholarship money, a total of $34,000. He also owes $8,500 in court costs, fines and restitution.
How is that possible? How can you demand back money that was given freely (or based on certain criteria, more like) and then after the fact, after it has been spent on exactly what it was earmarked for, demand it back, essentially retroactively revoking his scholarship?

I'm having a hard time understanding this.

Just speculating here, but the scholarship might have been dependent on staying enrolled with good behavior and no criminal activity, with an express provision that it would need to be repaid if convicted of a crime.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:24 pm

ImLawBoy wrote:Just speculating here, but the scholarship might have been dependent on staying enrolled with good behavior and no criminal activity, with an express provision that it would need to be repaid if convicted of a crime.

Thanks, that seems reasonable.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:26 pm

He also pleaded guilty, not wishing to risk getting a felony. His choice. He didn't contest the Penn State sanctions. His choice. And another cautionary tale to always lawyer up because everyone will lie to you not always tell you the whole story:

Terrified of being branded a felon, Strine agreed to plead guilty to reduced misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct and criminal mischief. He served 30 days in jail — getting out Aug. 4 — and will either be on parole or probation until 2015.

...

Strine said he didn't contest the charges because he wouldn't have been permitted an attorney, and his testimony before the school could have been used against him in the criminal courts. He didn't challenge the sanctions because Penn State warned him that if he did, he could wind up being penalized more severely. And he said he was never told that a suspension would cost him his spot in ROTC.

People that make small poor decisions often times pay an unfairly disproportionate price. But it's not the split-second, single decision that the article makes it out to be.

"Should I go join in the protest?"
"The protest is now a riot, should I stay here?"
"Should I approach this van that people are tipping over?"

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:26 pm

Just speculating here, but the scholarship might have been dependent on staying enrolled with good behavior and no criminal activity, with an express provision that it would need to be repaid if convicted of a crime.

Right -- apparently unlike all of the scholarship, etc... money funneled into Penn State that won't need to be returned after a former coach was convicted on multiple counts of child abuse.

I was with extended family members two weeks ago - Penn State alums along with an incoming Freshman. I had to bite my tongue on multiple occasions when the conversations continued to veer into the "it's not fair" and "it's too much" realm. I was left with the distinct impression that this event has galvanized the community and done nothing other than get them to rally together in vocal protest.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:29 pm

I like how it is repeatedly stated that all he did was "put his hands on the hood". The implication is that he simply touched the van, and that others actually committed the crime. It's not illegal to touch the hood of a van, is it?

Maybe that's all he did, but if I simply touched the trigger of a gun while someone else pulled it and shot someone, I'm guessing I'm going to have some trouble coming my way.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:33 pm

Stupid things happen when you do stupid things. I tell my 21 year old this all the time. Once you do something dumb, it almost always gets worse before it gets better. So pause, think "is this in my best long term interest?" and then decide.

Jag · Post by **Jag** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:49 pm

Lorini wrote:Stupid things happen when you do stupid things. I tell my 21 year old this all the time. Once you do something dumb, it almost always gets worse before it gets better. So pause, think "is this in my best long term interest?" and then decide.

It's a great thing to teach and hopefully it sinks in. But as we know, experience is the only teacher that can really hammer this home. I'm trying to give my young boys enough of a moral compass to make the right decisions when the time comes.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:01 am

On another related note, a Belgian pedophile's accomplice is being released to a convent after serving only half her sentence:

http://news.yahoo.com/belgian-pedophile ... 14216.html" target="_blank

I actually get how a young person with no sense of judgement, still forming an identity could be broken into being an accomplice of a psychopath, I suppose. Sadly, I'm guessing it's more common than I would like to believe possible. What I don't get is how once you've been released from whatever it was that held you under the spell of a psychopath, why you don't commit suicide. How do you live with day after day with being the agent of death of a an innocent person or a young child or multiple children and having stood by why while those children was tortured?

On the other hand, a convent seems like a perfect sort of imprisonment to me. Where your entire existence is dedicated to atoning for your crime. However, NIMBY. I just don't have that sort of compassion.

Mr. Fed · Post by **Mr. Fed** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:26 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote:He also pleaded guilty, not wishing to risk getting a felony. His choice. He didn't contest the Penn State sanctions. His choice.

For what it's worth, most university "hearings" are kangaroo courts with only a sick parody of due process; challenging what the U wants to do is often a Quixotic waste of money.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:37 pm

Mr. Fed wrote:challenging what the U wants to do is often a Quixotic waste of money.

I've always wondered what a University Don was.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:41 pm

Well played.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:00 pm

30-60 Years

Former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky was sentenced Tuesday to a minimum of 30 years in prison, meaning he will likely spend the rest of his life behind bars in a child sex-abuse scandal that roiled the nation and the shook the sports powerhouse.

The sentence of 30 years to 60 years in prison was far less than the 400 years that Judge John Cleland could have imposed, but it means that Sandusky would be almost 100 years old before he has any chance of being released. Going into the sentencing phase, both defense attorneys and prosecutors had expected that Sandusky would spend the rest of his life in prison.
...
Sandusky was defiant on Tuesday, again maintaining that he was innocent of all charges. The former coach never testified at his trial after prosecutors threatened to put his adopted son on the stand. The son has said he was prepared to testify that he too was sexually abused.

In his rambling 15-minute statement, Sandusky rejected ever doing “these alleged disgusting acts,” and described himself as a victim. His statement was similar to a three-minute monologue played Monday night on Penn State Com Radio during which the former coach said that Penn State, investigators, civil attorneys, the media and others had conspired to bring him down.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:44 pm

Smoove_B wrote:
Just speculating here, but the scholarship might have been dependent on staying enrolled with good behavior and no criminal activity, with an express provision that it would need to be repaid if convicted of a crime.
Right -- apparently unlike all of the scholarship, etc... money funneled into Penn State that won't need to be returned after a former coach was convicted on multiple counts of child abuse.

$60 million did end up going out.

Lorini · Post by **Lorini** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:29 pm

Ex PSU president charged with felonies. Sucks to be him.

Paingod · Post by **Paingod** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:47 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:His statement was similar to a three-minute monologue played Monday night on Penn State Com Radio during which the former coach said that Penn State, investigators, civil attorneys, the media and others had conspired to bring him down.

... for doing bad things to little boys. Yes. They all conspired.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:59 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:30-60 Years

Former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky was sentenced Tuesday to a minimum of 30 years in prison, meaning he will likely spend the rest of his life behind bars in a child sex-abuse scandal that roiled the nation and the shook the sports powerhouse.

The sentence of 30 years to 60 years in prison was far less than the 400 years that Judge John Cleland could have imposed, but it means that Sandusky would be almost 100 years old before he has any chance of being released. Going into the sentencing phase, both defense attorneys and prosecutors had expected that Sandusky would spend the rest of his life in prison.
...
Sandusky was defiant on Tuesday, again maintaining that he was innocent of all charges. The former coach never testified at his trial after prosecutors threatened to put his adopted son on the stand. The son has said he was prepared to testify that he too was sexually abused.

In his rambling 15-minute statement, Sandusky rejected ever doing “these alleged disgusting acts,” and described himself as a victim. His statement was similar to a three-minute monologue played Monday night on Penn State Com Radio during which the former coach said that Penn State, investigators, civil attorneys, the media and others had conspired to bring him down.

Sounds like it's federal-pound-you-in-the-a** prison too.

Inverarity · Post by **Inverarity** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:14 pm

Lorini wrote:Ex PSU president charged with felonies. Sucks to be him.

This should be interesting.

Pyperkub wrote: Sounds like it's federal-pound-you-in-the-a** prison too.

Just the opposite. He's isolated from gen pop to avoid the inevitable rape & murder that goes along with being a celebrity child abuser. Doesn't really matter, he is in jail and he's never getting out.