Ford Motor previewed its new electric F-150 Lightning pickup earlier than planned during a visit Tuesday by President Joe Biden to the Michigan plant that’s producing the vehicle.
The highly anticipated vehicle resembles the automaker’s current F-150 but has unique exterior styling such as a closed-off grille and light bar across the front of the vehicle that connects its headlights. Sitting next to a traditional 2021 Ford F-150, it appeared to be about the same.
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Ford executives have said the F-150 Lightning will be a true pickup truck designed for commercial work, unlike expected lifestyle pickups such as the GMC Hummer EV or Tesla Cybertruck. It is expected to go on sale by mid-next year.
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Neat. Even though its closed in I think they should redesign that front end. Theres no need for air to cool anything there so make it more solid or safe.
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Daehawk wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:02 pm
Neat. Even though its closed in I think they should redesign that front end. Theres no need for air to cool anything there so make it more solid or safe.
That was my issue early on with Tesla when they offered a front grill option. No need and solid looks better.
Daehawk wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:02 pm
Neat. Even though its closed in I think they should redesign that front end. Theres no need for air to cool anything there so make it more solid or safe.
That was my issue early on with Tesla when they offered a front grill option. No need and solid looks better.
It's a Ford 150. They don't want to depart too far from the aesthetic of the best selling pickup truck in history.
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A "true" pickup/work truck that goes 0-60 in under 3s?!
Est. $70K (base model)
11,000 lbs towing capacity
0-60 in under 3 secs
production starts end of this year
on sale mid next year
I DO like the front headlight that goes all the way across the hood, though, that's pretty cool. Price tag is not very cool, though I think the bigger problem will be finding one.
I'm perpetual sticker shock guy and the $70k to start price tag would normally "that's a small house" reaction from me but if a truck full o stuff is getting like 15 mpg and you drive a lot for a living, you're probably talking converting $4000 plus in gasoline a year to electric charge cost of ???
Although, we'll see what happens to EV price to operate when gasoline consumption starts erode at tax collection. That's consideration we've yet to start to work through.
And speaking of perpetual sticker shock. I just had my first oil change in over a year. $60 for a 4L engine.
LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:30 pm $4000 plus in gasoline a year to electric charge cost of ???
This is one of the few remaining reasons I don't have a hard-on for an EV yet (there's a good joke in there somewhere). Relatively very low gasoline cost where I live, but also relatively high electricity cost. From a pure "value" perspective, it doesn't (yet) make a lot of sense. Hybrids, however, make tons of sense (for me).
I'll have to consider the pricing, range of charge, and what it would mean to have an electrician install and bring things up to code to do so when that time comes. If I could get another $13,000 car that gets 40-50 mpg and thought the comfort of wouldn't kill me, EV wouldn't be a consideration. But $13,000 cars are a thing of the 2000's and comfort is becoming more important as my body ages, so we'll see what the market will force me to bare when that time comes.... Not $70,000 (base at that), that's for sure.
If you went 6 year loan that is still around $1050 per month, $650 a month more that I pay for my Kona (and it's just a 5 year loan). I could never justify paying that for a vehicle...
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
Most notably, it seems that the battery on the Ford F-150 Lightning will have the ability to power a home during an outage. Ford has touted the capability of its Hybrid F-150 to power a job site or tools, but this is the first time the company has said one of its vehicles could act as a backup generator to a home.
This sounds like a nice selling point. How much of a charge does the 150 Lightning battery hold? I guess we find out tonight.
Most notably, it seems that the battery on the Ford F-150 Lightning will have the ability to power a home during an outage. Ford has touted the capability of its Hybrid F-150 to power a job site or tools, but this is the first time the company has said one of its vehicles could act as a backup generator to a home.
This sounds like a nice selling point. How much of a charge does the 150 Lightning battery hold? I guess we find out tonight.
The long range Mustang Mach E holds 98.8 kWh - of which about 88 kWh is usable. I'd guess this would be a bit more.
stessier wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 3:25 pm
The long range Mustang Mach E holds 98.8 kWh - of which about 88 kWh is usable. I'd guess this would be a bit more.
If it's a real tow package as suggested and not a show truck, I'd think it would have to hold considerably more than most of the EVs on the market, car or SUV or "light truck". It's gonna take power to get that thing going, even if it reclaims so much to that that thing stopping.
stessier wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 3:25 pm
The long range Mustang Mach E holds 98.8 kWh - of which about 88 kWh is usable. I'd guess this would be a bit more.
If it's a real tow package as suggested and not a show truck, I'd think it would have to hold considerably more than most of the EVs on the market, car or SUV or "light truck". It's gonna take power to get that thing going, even if it reclaims so much to that that thing stopping.
The Tesla Semi is targeting 500 kWh. So it's somewhere between the two.
stessier wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 3:25 pm
The long range Mustang Mach E holds 98.8 kWh - of which about 88 kWh is usable. I'd guess this would be a bit more.
If it's a real tow package as suggested and not a show truck, I'd think it would have to hold considerably more than most of the EVs on the market, car or SUV or "light truck". It's gonna take power to get that thing going, even if it reclaims so much to that that thing stopping.
The Tesla Semi is targeting 500 kWh. So it's somewhere between the two.
stessier wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 3:25 pm
The long range Mustang Mach E holds 98.8 kWh - of which about 88 kWh is usable. I'd guess this would be a bit more.
If it's a real tow package as suggested and not a show truck, I'd think it would have to hold considerably more than most of the EVs on the market, car or SUV or "light truck". It's gonna take power to get that thing going, even if it reclaims so much to that that thing stopping.
The Tesla Semi is targeting 500 kWh. So it's somewhere between the two.
LordMortis wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 12:30 pm
I'm perpetual sticker shock guy and the $70k to start price tag would normally "that's a small house" reaction from me but if a truck full o stuff is getting like 15 mpg and you drive a lot for a living, you're probably talking converting $4000 plus in gasoline a year to electric charge cost of ???
Although, we'll see what happens to EV price to operate when gasoline consumption starts erode at tax collection. That's consideration we've yet to start to work through.
And speaking of perpetual sticker shock. I just had my first oil change in over a year. $60 for a 4L engine.
Ford currently sells an F-150 Platinum (I have a 2012) that sells for over $70 with just about everything you need and shit you don't need. It is a gas model with a special V-6 that has almost double the towing power of my previous V-8.
Scuzz wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:23 pm
Ford currently sells an F-150 Platinum (I have a 2012) that sells for over $70 with just about everything you need and shit you don't need. It is a gas model with a special V-6 that has almost double the towing power of my previous V-8.
Trucks have come a long way.
I was looking at the Platinum Escape in the low 40s (or high 30s with the X Plan or A plan or whatever family gets, I think) a few years ago right before they were about to do a major overhaul on the design and elected to stay in Focus at the time. And I'm still in my Focus now. I couldn't get to the low 40s then, I'm sure I can't get to whatever the market resembles today. Eventually, I'll have to do something, but my ride is still reliable to put it off for now.
But here's the thing: while the idea of dropping luxury car money on a pickup seems crazy in theory...once you spend a little time in one of these regal rigs, it starts to feel almost logical. In fact, this new Ford is packed with all sorts of ingenious features that, combined with its immense inherent capability, arguably make it the vehicle most worthy of dropping $80K on here in 2021.
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Scuzz wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:23 pm
Ford currently sells an F-150 Platinum (I have a 2012) that sells for over $70 with just about everything you need and shit you don't need. It is a gas model with a special V-6 that has almost double the towing power of my previous V-8.
Trucks have come a long way.
I was looking at the Platinum Escape in the low 40s (or high 30s with the X Plan or A plan or whatever family gets, I think) a few years ago right before they were about to do a major overhaul on the design and elected to stay in Focus at the time. And I'm still in my Focus now. I couldn't get to the low 40s then, I'm sure I can't get to whatever the market resembles today. Eventually, I'll have to do something, but my ride is still reliable to put it off for now.
I bought mine used. It had 50k miles on it when I got it and I needed something to tow the new trailer, which was 7.5k lbs compared to our old 3.5k lbs liteweight trailer.
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:48 am
Est. $40K (base model)
10,000 lbs towing capacity
0-60 in under 4.5 secs
production starts end of this year
on sale mid next year.
It looks like they were very smart and kept the dimensions basically the same so all current accessories will still fit. Also, they claim 3 days of house power at an estimated 30kWh per day, so the extended range might not be much more than 100 kWh. I'd guess about 120.
Edit: I just watched the full unveiling - impressive. I think I might actually want a truck. Never thought I'd say that.
stessier wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:47 am
It looks like they were very smart and kept the dimensions basically the same so all current accessories will still fit. Also, they claim 3 days of house power at an estimated 30kWh per day, so the extended range might not be much more than 100 kWh. I'd guess about 120.
Edit: I just watched the full unveiling - impressive. I think I might actually want a truck. Never thought I'd say that.
I don't want a truck but I do want some practical truck technology. If I stick to the Ford family, I'd like an affordable EV ecosport but with more shoulder room and a truck like tow package.
Edit:
CNBC said there is a trunk under the hood. Make the F-150 into an F-50 and cut the price a bit for the decreased materials and you might get me interested.
When Zaxxon says "frunk," that's what he's taking about.
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When Zaxxon says "frunk," that's what he's taking about.
Yeah--'front trunk.'
Ford marketing doing marketing things, mixing specs and pricing across lines, which seems to have gotten the coverage they wanted. The $40k commercial trim sounds like it won't have the 10k lb towing, mid-4s 0-60, V2G, and will have ~230 mi range. The 'real' model with the tech they talked about last night (power outlets, co-pilot, fancier cameras, etc) will start at $53k, and that's still with the smaller battery.
Still, kudos to Ford for what looks like an entry that'll sell well.
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If I heard correctly, (TV is on in the background but my focus is on work) Interview with Farley said they've already sold the 20,000 planned initial build for next year.
Also, base price is never a real price, nor even a price you can find. I assume that's even the case with the sacred Tesla, though I've never done my diligence with them, as I'm not yet in the serious market for buying.
If Ford is true to their model, they'll have 4 tiers and the lowest tier will be all but unavailable, and to get the stripped down "base model" price of the SE, you'd have to have it custom ordered and wait months to get it. Anything off the lot will have "options" well into the thousands of dollars. Most of the sales will be in the 2nd and 3rd tiers. Usually it's something like S, SE, Titanium, and some varying name ultra mega only the best cup holders model.
LordMortis wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:10 amIf I heard correctly, (TV is on in the background but my focus is on work) Interview with Farley said they've already sold the 20,000 planned initial build for next year.
Awesome. The true test will be whether that 20k is a tiny fraction of the 2023 target, eg that this is truly where they plan the bulk of F-150 sales to go in the near future. Can't afford to do that unless this is a profitable vehicle since the F-150 is the golden goose.
Also, base price is never a real price, nor even a price you can find. I assume that's even the case with the sacred Tesla, though I've never done my diligence with them, as I'm not yet in the serious market for buying.
With the exception of the Model 3, where the $35k base took time to become reality, the trim prices and capabilities are fairly up-front. The Cybertruck, for example, has had its tiers available since the unveil. But my niggle wasn't about that, but rather that you are not signing up to buy a vehicle at any price--you're going to buy from the local dealer, and the price you'll pay is what the market will bear. Pricing will not be standardized for buyers of a particular trim from different dealers.
Zaxxon wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:19 am
But my niggle wasn't about that, but rather that you are not signing up to buy a vehicle at any price--you're going to buy from the local dealer, and the price you'll pay is what the market will bear. Pricing will not be standardized for buyers of a particular trim from different dealers.
The internet has helped to level that playing field though. I'm looking at the Mach E and they are selling locally for 1000 over MSRP - but I can get the same thing from California for 4000 under MSRP. Even factoring in shipping, I'll do fine. I'm curious what the local dealer will say when presented with the evidence, but I'm fine either way.
stessier wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:00 am
Thanks - that was interesting! Not sure I love his answer around upgrading cars, but we'll see what actually happens.
I wasn't clear on it. I got the feeling that he means there is a move to making vehicles more modular, where an EC is something that can be performed on an existing vehicle. I like the idea. I have no idea how practical it is. Vehicles are designed to be complex expensive things that hold together at high speeds over rough terrain. Making them readily modular is going to be at odds with making them durable for their purpose. I'm going to want to talk to the people in my niche who understand these things way better than I could possibly comprehend. I'd do it around the coffee maker, but a busy day in the office might have 10 people nowadays, and that's all infrastructure and lab techs. So that conversation is a ways away.
Where in the world are they getting all the semiconductors to produce these?
Re: speculative pricing posted prior to launch, I kinda felt the $70K for base model seemed a bit...a LOT high...though as mentioned, luxury trucks these days are definitely a thing, and they regularly cost $50K+ My Dad gets a new F-150 every few years, and almost always the top model. I told him he should consider leasing since you know he's losing his ass on the trade-in.
Personally I think some of the options on his trucks are absurdly...lavish or maybe gimmicky? They have to justify the $60K price tag somehow I guess.
Just wish they'd make trucks smaller. Cant see around them or through them on the road. HATE trucks.
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Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 1:00 pm
Where in the world are they getting all the semiconductors to produce these?
This morning CNBC (maybe it was Farley directly?) said they get most of their semis from a plant in Japan that had been hit by two natural disasters and the plant was coming back online and is supposed to be up to full capacity by Q3 but right now they FoMoCo is still producing at 50% capacity and it hurts.
Re: speculative pricing posted prior to launch, I kinda felt the $70K for base model seemed a bit...a LOT high...though as mentioned, luxury trucks these days are definitely a thing, and they regularly cost $50K+ My Dad gets a new F-150 every few years, and almost always the top model. I told him he should consider leasing since you know he's losing his ass on the trade-in.
The low end version is just Ford creating a data point. I don't think there will be any appreciable production of those versions.
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Re: speculative pricing posted prior to launch, I kinda felt the $70K for base model seemed a bit...a LOT high...though as mentioned, luxury trucks these days are definitely a thing, and they regularly cost $50K+ My Dad gets a new F-150 every few years, and almost always the top model. I told him he should consider leasing since you know he's losing his ass on the trade-in.
The low end version is just Ford creating a data point. I don't think there will be any appreciable production of those versions.
The interview with the CEO suggests otherwise. He sees them as commercial fleet vehicles companies will buy for local jobs.
